Christians: Why are “few” on the road to life?

[idea]

If it does not work out well for everyone, it will not work out well for me either. What a horrible thought, what a small student success rate. Not loving, not just, not heavenly or chosen. Prideful, selfish, cruel for anyone to consider themselves "chosen and special" in this manner.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Thank you for your response and welcome to RF....

Can I ask you where I might find a scripture where it says that humans do not really die? How does a mortal live without dying? The apostles and all who were Christ's disciples died....and even Jesus died, so in what way did they live? It must involve resurrection because the Bible mentions no other way to live again....so what is your definition of a resurrection? What did it mean to Jews? What did it mean to Christians?



Revelation 20 contains some very interesting verses.....so when comparing scripture with other scripture, I believe that we can gain a clearer picture.

Revelation 20:6...
"Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years."

Here are those who take part in the "first" resurrection....this is a resurrection to spirit life like Jesus had....their resurrection is not instantaneous however. They must 'sleep' in death until Christ's return, according to Paul....

1 Thessalonians 4:13-16....
"Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. 14 For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus. 15 For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord will in no way precede those who have fallen asleep in death; 16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first."

Paul wrote his letter to the Thessalonians about 50 CE, or around 17 years after Jesus was put to death, and the resurrection of his disciples was not going to take place until his return, so it was not something that was expected to take place instantly. In order to be resurrected, one must die in the flesh, "sleep" until until the resurrection, and be given a spirit body in order to enter heaven, where Jesus said he had prepared a place for them.

The apostle John wrote his Revelation towards the end of the first century (or around 65 years after Jesus died) and he said that those who attain rulership with Christ would do so in the future. John was taken in vision to "the Lord's Day". What or when do you understand "the Lord's Day" to be?

The "book of life" apparently contains the names of all who have qualified for life because of having a good record with God, because those not found there are eliminated from existence in "the lake of fire". (Revelation 20:15)

That being said....when do you see the "first" and 'second' resurrections as taking place? And when does Jesus call all the dead from their graves? (John 5:28-29)


It is apparent that those who are the "wheat" are serving God as disciples of Christ in spite of the "weeds" choking up the whole world. So I guess you are right in a way...those on the "broad road" are those who took the easy way and found to their horror, that it was a DEAD end......but those on the 'cramped and narrow road' were willing to endure the hardships that satan and his world would inflict on Jesus followers, knowing that the destination was well worth the trouble. (1 John 5:19; John 15:18-21)

Do you understand the nuances of Jesus parable of the "wheat and the weeds"? Its very interesting....
In the Middle East is a noxious weed called "bearded darnel" and it is the bane of every wheat farmer. It is called "wheat's evil twin" because in the early stages of growth, you cannot tell them apart.....but as they grow, the difference becomes more noticeable, but by that time the root systems of both plants have become inextricably entwined so that it is not possible to pull the weeds out without uprooting the wheat. Only at the harvest can the reapers pull up the weeds without doing damage to the wheat, which is separated and put in the farmers storage barns. The weeds are then burned in the fire. That explains what the parable was all about. The weeds are all still there but so are the wheat and we have to be able to identify them and join ourselves to them because Jesus only feeds one household of his servants. (Matthew 24:45) I believe that the time for the "harvest" is looming.


What does "gaining entrance" mean to you? Where are they gaining entrance to?....and what will they do there?

Rev 20
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Enoch, and Elijah the Great Prophets lived without dying at all. And the way they did it, is that they transfigured in life alive without dying at all. That means that they put off the mortal body, and put on the original body of Man (the body before the fall) which is the image of the Son of GOD, Adam His Eminence. Yes, death was called the enemy. How can your enemy lead you to GOD?

The wheats are the children of the kingdom. In John 12:24, Father Adam and Mother Eve were a corn of wheat - for it is them that died to kick start procreation. The wheat are the Children of the kingdom who GOD sends their Spirit Being after HE programs them in the soul, and immerses or baptizes the person into their physical body in the womb of their biological mother at a certain time during her pregnancy which was pre-determined by the day GOD coupled the body of Man, the 6th day. So it is at the 6th month into the 7th Month that the person is sent into his or her physical body by GOD.

Man is not the body, Man is a Spirit Being.

Tares are the children from the abyss. It is not every pregnancy that is respected by GOD. When HE chooses not to send the Spirit Being of a child of the kingdom into the earth to pick up a physical body, the abyss sends a spirit being from there. It is also the abyss that sends the spirits of animals when animals give birth. So tares cannot ever enter into heaven. They do not have the anatomy to transfigure. The Anatomyo of Man is in the Spirit Being. Put simply, they are not the seed of Abraham.

Abrahams life, was defining the Life of Adam, who is the Abraham of the Mankind Race. And his Children were sent from the Fathers Bosom by GOD since the fall until today, and until the last of them are sent. At that time, people shouldn't procreate anymore. And that is what Matt 24 speaking about Noah saying: For they were marrying and giving in marriage,and then the flood came and washed them away. There is the mission of Mankind, which is to Procreate so that all the children of the kingdom can have a physical body. But that is not where the mission ended. GOD said: Subdue the earth, which means to subdue the forces of the earth, the water and the air, to put on the kind of body that cannot be bound by the laws of this earth. The kind of body that is supernatural, immortal, that cannot die anymore. And that was called: transfiguration. This is the same body that Father Adam, and Mother Eve had coupled for them before the fall. That is why saul said, fromthe writings he stole, that there is an image that we must conform too, and that image is of the Son of GOD. The Son of GOD is Adam, who was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD.

Mortality is the sin that we born in. The body that has blood as its lifeforce is the body that was required for reproduction; procreation of the body for Man. It is the will of GOD that none should perish. Thus, GOD did not command anybody to die. Death is our enemy. Death is not a must, and that is what salvation is about. Salvation is everlasting life; which means to put on your wedding garment; robe of righteousness; garment of praise, in life without dying and going to where ghosts go to, and await resurrection. The fact that everyone that died, wheat or tare, is resurrected, proves its not a reward. It is a solution to the problem. The problem is that death was the result of the body required for procreation.

I am just answering your questions i am not preaching.

So GOD Almighty sent us Prophets, Angels of the Churches, to dispsense to us HIS Word, that by the assimilation of HIS Word, by meditating in HIS Word, to the point that it reaches our Spirit Being - so not the brain - the Spirit Being, it crystalilses and hatches the incorruptible seed - which is actually the immortal cell system. This is why going to church was important, not to hear from some hireling, or someone who went into church ministry as a business, but to listen to who GOD sent to reveal to the children of the kingdom, the mysteries of the kingdom. And only two Great Men of GOD, Enoch and Elijah succeeded in running their race to immortalisation in life. And the reason it was called a race, is because we are racing against aging, and sickness, and death.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Rev 20
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Enoch, and Elijah the Great Prophets lived without dying at all. And the way they did it, is that they transfigured in life alive without dying at all. That means that they put off the mortal body, and put on the original body of Man (the body before the fall) which is the image of the Son of GOD, Adam His Eminence. Yes, death was called the enemy. How can your enemy lead you to GOD?

The wheats are the children of the kingdom. In John 12:24, Father Adam and Mother Eve were a corn of wheat - for it is them that died to kick start procreation. The wheat are the Children of the kingdom who GOD sends their Spirit Being after HE programs them in the soul, and immerses or baptizes the person into their physical body in the womb of their biological mother at a certain time during her pregnancy which was pre-determined by the day GOD coupled the body of Man, the 6th day. So it is at the 6th month into the 7th Month that the person is sent into his or her physical body by GOD.

Man is not the body, Man is a Spirit Being.

Tares are the children from the abyss. It is not every pregnancy that is respected by GOD. When HE chooses not to send the Spirit Being of a child of the kingdom into the earth to pick up a physical body, the abyss sends a spirit being from there. It is also the abyss that sends the spirits of animals when animals give birth. So tares cannot ever enter into heaven. They do not have the anatomy to transfigure. The Anatomyo of Man is in the Spirit Being. Put simply, they are not the seed of Abraham.

Abrahams life, was defining the Life of Adam, who is the Abraham of the Mankind Race. And his Children were sent from the Fathers Bosom by GOD since the fall until today, and until the last of them are sent. At that time, people shouldn't procreate anymore. And that is what Matt 24 speaking about Noah saying: For they were marrying and giving in marriage,and then the flood came and washed them away. There is the mission of Mankind, which is to Procreate so that all the children of the kingdom can have a physical body. But that is not where the mission ended. GOD said: Subdue the earth, which means to subdue the forces of the earth, the water and the air, to put on the kind of body that cannot be bound by the laws of this earth. The kind of body that is supernatural, immortal, that cannot die anymore. And that was called: transfiguration. This is the same body that Father Adam, and Mother Eve had coupled for them before the fall. That is why saul said, fromthe writings he stole, that there is an image that we must conform too, and that image is of the Son of GOD. The Son of GOD is Adam, who was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD.

Mortality is the sin that we born in. The body that has blood as its lifeforce is the body that was required for reproduction; procreation of the body for Man. It is the will of GOD that none should perish. Thus, GOD did not command anybody to die. Death is our enemy. Death is not a must, and that is what salvation is about. Salvation is everlasting life; which means to put on your wedding garment; robe of righteousness; garment of praise, in life without dying and going to where ghosts go to, and await resurrection. The fact that everyone that died, wheat or tare, is resurrected, proves its not a reward. It is a solution to the problem. The problem is that death was the result of the body required for procreation.

I am just answering your questions i am not preaching.

So GOD Almighty sent us Prophets, Angels of the Churches, to dispsense to us HIS Word, that by the assimilation of HIS Word, by meditating in HIS Word, to the point that it reaches our Spirit Being - so not the brain - the Spirit Being, it crystalilses and hatches the incorruptible seed - which is actually the immortal cell system. This is why going to church was important, not to hear from some hireling, or someone who went into church ministry as a business, but to listen to who GOD sent to reveal to the children of the kingdom, the mysteries of the kingdom. And only two Great Men of GOD, Enoch and Elijah succeeded in running their race to immortalisation in life. And the reason it was called a race, is because we are racing against aging, and sickness, and death.

What in the world?
How do you justify saying John 12:24 applies to Adam & Eve??? Where are the supporting Scriptures???

All this, with some vague reference to Matthew 24, and nothing to support these assertions?

I'm sorry, but I can't see it, my cousin.
Stay well.

 

[Deeje]

Enoch, and Elijah the Great Prophets lived without dying at all. And the way they did it, is that they transfigured in life alive without dying at all. That means that they put off the mortal body, and put on the original body of Man (the body before the fall) which is the image of the Son of GOD, Adam His Eminence. Yes, death was called the enemy. How can your enemy lead you to GOD?

This sounds awfully like an LDS concept to me.....it is not scriptural however. Where will I find such a notion in the Bible. Please.....if you make assertions, back them up with the Bible, or its just made up nonsense.

The wheats are the children of the kingdom. In John 12:24, Father Adam and Mother Eve were a corn of wheat - for it is them that died to kick start procreation.

Another LDS concept. What on earth is a "corn of wheat"? The "wheat did not exist until Jesus 'sowed' them.
The devil sowed the 'weeds' after men 'fell asleep'. Read the parable...Matthew 13:24-30; Explanation is in Matthew 13:36-42.

The wheat are the Children of the kingdom who GOD sends their Spirit Being after HE programs them in the soul, and immerses or baptizes the person into their physical body in the womb of their biological mother at a certain time during her pregnancy which was pre-determined by the day GOD coupled the body of Man, the 6th day. So it is at the 6th month into the 7th Month that the person is sent into his or her physical body by GOD.

Yet another LDS concept. That is not scriptural either. Where did this idea come from?
What did God do to bring Adam to life?

Genesis 2:7....
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Only when God started him breathing did the man "become" a "soul". He was not "given one". The word in Hebrew never means a disembodied spirit....all mortal life forms are "souls"....which means a living, breathing creature. When breathing stops, life ceases.

Man is not the body, Man is a Spirit Being.

Nonsense....again where will I find that idea in the Bible? Man is "mortal" which means he is of flesh and blood and he can die. He has a spiritual side to his nature, because he is made in God's image, but not all humans are spiritually inclined.....some are completely devoid of spirituality.

What did God tell Adam about death?
Genesis 3:19....
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Adam was not going anywhere at death except to return to the elements of the earth from which he was made.
Death means death...it is not a continuation of life.....and there is no life before birth...and no life after death. These are not Bible teachings.

Tares are the children from the abyss. It is not every pregnancy that is respected by GOD. When HE chooses not to send the Spirit Being of a child of the kingdom into the earth to pick up a physical body, the abyss sends a spirit being from there. It is also the abyss that sends the spirits of animals when animals give birth. So tares cannot ever enter into heaven. They do not have the anatomy to transfigure. The Anatomyo of Man is in the Spirit Being. Put simply, they are not the seed of Abraham.

Oh boy....shaking my head now..... Where does that idea come from? Sorry...you have completely lost me now. Unless you back up what you say, I can only assume that you have some kind of indoctrinated ideas that have been embellished by someone or by yourself. I see nothing like that in scripture. Jesus did not teach anything like this.

Abrahams life, was defining the Life of Adam, who is the Abraham of the Mankind Race. And his Children were sent from the Fathers Bosom by GOD since the fall until today, and until the last of them are sent. At that time, people shouldn't procreate anymore. And that is what Matt 24 speaking about Noah saying: For they were marrying and giving in marriage,and then the flood came and washed them away. There is the mission of Mankind, which is to Procreate so that all the children of the kingdom can have a physical body. But that is not where the mission ended. GOD said: Subdue the earth, which means to subdue the forces of the earth, the water and the air, to put on the kind of body that cannot be bound by the laws of this earth. The kind of body that is supernatural, immortal, that cannot die anymore. And that was called: transfiguration. This is the same body that Father Adam, and Mother Eve had coupled for them before the fall. That is why saul said, fromthe writings he stole, that there is an image that we must conform too, and that image is of the Son of GOD. The Son of GOD is Adam, who was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD.

Sorry but your post is just getting weirder and weirder.....

Mortality is the sin that we born in. The body that has blood as its lifeforce is the body that was required for reproduction; procreation of the body for Man. It is the will of GOD that none should perish. Thus, GOD did not command anybody to die. Death is our enemy. Death is not a must, and that is what salvation is about. Salvation is everlasting life; which means to put on your wedding garment; robe of righteousness; garment of praise, in life without dying and going to where ghosts go to, and await resurrection. The fact that everyone that died, wheat or tare, is resurrected, proves its not a reward. It is a solution to the problem. The problem is that death was the result of the body required for procreation.

What????

What is a ghost? I find no ghosts in the Bible at all....nor do I find any mention of death as the body's requirement for procreation.
God told the humans to have children before they partook of the fruit.

I am just answering your questions i am not preaching.

You are answering no question that I have asked.....you are actually speaking about things that have no scriptural basis whatsoever. Who else believes what you believe?

So GOD Almighty sent us Prophets, Angels of the Churches, to dispsense to us HIS Word, that by the assimilation of HIS Word, by meditating in HIS Word, to the point that it reaches our Spirit Being - so not the brain - the Spirit Being, it crystalilses and hatches the incorruptible seed - which is actually the immortal cell system. This is why going to church was important, not to hear from some hireling, or someone who went into church ministry as a business, but to listen to who GOD sent to reveal to the children of the kingdom, the mysteries of the kingdom. And only two Great Men of GOD, Enoch and Elijah succeeded in running their race to immortalisation in life. And the reason it was called a race, is because we are racing against aging, and sickness, and death.

Enoch and Elijah had two very different experiences....but neither of them went to heaven for the simple reason that no human went to heaven before Jesus. (John 3:13) The dead "sleep" in an unconscious condition with no ability to see, hear, speak, or do, a single thing. (Eccleiastes 9:5, 10)
When Jesus raised his friend Lazarus back to life, where did Jesus say he had gone? (John 11:11-14)

 

[Hockeycowboy]

New If it does not work out well for everyone, it will not work out well for me either.

Well, not everyone, for sure. Proverbs 2:22 . But this isn't you, is it?

It wouldn't be just, if those who wanted to hurt others, were allowed to continue, would it?
Again, that's not you though, is it?
According to Acts of the Apostles 24:15, the vast majority will be brought back to life! Let's hope most will then be willing to make positive adjustments to their behavior.
The future Resurrection (John 6:44), which ultimately results in reunited families & friendships, will be a major part of the wonderful, on-going history of mankind. -- Revelation 21:3-4

 

[Deeje]

If it does not work out well for everyone, it will not work out well for me either.

You speak as if you have no choice....? Why will it not work out well for you?

What a horrible thought, what a small student success rate.

The small student success rate is due to the students not accepting what they are taught, and wanting to do things their own way. What does God ask of us that is so difficult?

Not loving, not just, not heavenly or chosen. Prideful, selfish, cruel for anyone to consider themselves "chosen and special" in this manner.

Since it is God who chooses those who will live or die based on their own behavior, what is it about your behavior that disqualifies you?

God is loving and just...he just will not tolerate his children dictating their own terms for their tenancy here.
Its his earth and he gave us life...what is so hard about what he asks, that is impossible for anyone?

If you rent a property and you fail to live up to your tenancy agreement, the Landlord has the option to evict you. If he gives you time and opportunity to clean up your mess and do better, but you still refuse, whose fault is it if the sheriff comes to turf you out?

Seriously.....

 

[Yahcubs777]

This sounds awfully like an LDS concept to me.....it is not scriptural however. Where will I find such a notion in the Bible. Please.....if you make assertions, back them up with the Bible, or its just made up nonsense.


Another LDS concept. What on earth is a "corn of wheat"? The "wheat did not exist until Jesus 'sowed' them.
The devil sowed the 'weeds' after men 'fell asleep'. Read the parable...Matthew 13:24-30; Explanation is in Matthew 13:36-42.


Yet another LDS concept. That is not scriptural either. Where did this idea come from?
What did God do to bring Adam to life?

Genesis 2:7....
"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Only when God started him breathing did the man "become" a "soul". He was not "given one". The word in Hebrew never means a disembodied spirit....all mortal life forms are "souls"....which means a living, breathing creature. When breathing stops, life ceases.


Nonsense....again where will I find that idea in the Bible? Man is "mortal" which means he is of flesh and blood and he can die. He has a spiritual side to his nature, because he is made in God's image, but not all humans are spiritually inclined.....some are completely devoid of spirituality.

What did God tell Adam about death?
Genesis 3:19....
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Adam was not going anywhere at death except to return to the elements of the earth from which he was made.
Death means death...it is not a continuation of life.....and there is no life before birth...and no life after death. These are not Bible teachings.



Oh boy....shaking my head now..... Where does that idea come from? Sorry...you have completely lost me now. Unless you back up what you say, I can only assume that you have some kind of indoctrinated ideas that have been embellished by someone or by yourself. I see nothing like that in scripture. Jesus did not teach anything like this.

Sorry but your post is just getting weirder and weirder.....

What????

What is a ghost? I find no ghosts in the Bible at all....nor do I find any mention of death as the body's requirement for procreation.
God told the humans to have children before they partook of the fruit.



You are answering no question that I have asked.....you are actually speaking about things that have no scriptural basis whatsoever. Who else believes what you believe?



Enoch and Elijah had two very different experiences....but neither of them went to heaven for the simple reason that no human went to heaven before Jesus. (John 3:13) The dead "sleep" in an unconscious condition with no ability to see, hear, speak, or do, a single thing. (Eccleiastes 9:5, 10)
When Jesus raised his friend Lazarus back to life, where did Jesus say he had gone? (John 11:11-14)

None of this is LDS. And i will put it as simple as i can for you... The Gospel of the kingdom is not for you.

Both Enoch and Elijah transfigured in life,and both were descendents. No Man has ascended to heaven save he that descended from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven. But you said Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the Son of Man? But HE said the Son of Man is in Heaven.

Heaven is not a ghost world. The ghost is the Man programmed in the soul, detatched from his physical body. And the place that person goes to was called hell.

its obvious by your response that you are not a seeker of the kingdom, or you are not a child of the kingdom. Farewell.

 

[PureX]

Yes, that is true, but how sad that humans are experts at self delusion. When the heart becomes a partner in crime, talking us into actions that run counter to Jesus commands, we can attain a degree of confidence, but it is a misplaced confidence as the response to Jesus’ rejection of those ones is met with their incredulous excuses.

Jesus was indeed speaking to his Jewish countrymen, but he was not there to prop up their apostate religious system. He was sent to the “lost sheep” in Judaism, not to their negligent, self righteous shepherds.

In Matthew 23, Jesus condemned the religious leaders outright. He said that they taught “the commands of men as doctrines”....he said that they were “from their father, the devil”, so he led his disciples out of that apostate system and into new pasture, under the care of righteous shepherds and with a “new covenant”.

However, that was not to last, as the devil would do to Christianity what he did to Judaism....he corrupted it from the inside. “Weeds” were sown among the “wheat”.....so if Jesus said we could identify his true disciples from the ‘weedy’ imitations by their “fruitage”, what should we expect to see as that fruitage?

It's important to note that this "devil" exists in us all. And corrupts us all in the same way if we try to pretend it's not there. That 'devil' is our own ego, and fear, and desire, and selfishness always trying to control our thoughts and actions.

Jesus' story is also our story, and all the characters in it are in us.

 

[Brian2]

Performing miracles, and still on the “road to destruction”!

Obviously, God’s spirit isn’t backing these ones crying, “Lord, Lord”.

So, from what source is their power?

When I’ve said this to others, many have responded, “I know what you’re implying...You’re saying it’s the Devil. But it cant be, because they’re expelling demons. Jesus said, ‘A house divided against itself....’ “
But reason: Does Jesus say these ones are expelling demons....or, are they telling Jesus they’re expelling demons? How do they know? Can they see the demons leave? Maybe the demons are ‘pulling the wool over their eyes’, as the expression goes. Making these ones think so.

Yet and still, they are “performing miracles’, apparently other miracles that can be observed. Maybe healing someone? Maybe getting bit by a rattler, and surviving?

So, where is this power coming from? Not God or Jesus.

Then we hear many times, “Satan is evil...he can’t do good things.”

Please! Sure he can, to mislead! He and his hordes, they are clever!

They’ve got Christendom thinking they can kill their brothers!

I have considered deception from Satan when it comes to casting out demons, but I do not see that as being the case here (Matt 7:22) where miracles and prophecy and speaking in tongues are in the name of Jesus. These people are Christians and have gifts of the Spirit, (and all Christians have some gift or gifts) but there is something missing.
I think of 1Cor 13 where it says that love is most important and seems to be saying that we can exercise the gifts of the Holy Spirit, mentioning speaking in tongues and prophesying and knowledge, and still be nothing if we do not have love. This is how I understand those who are rejected by Jesus. Jesus did not know them because they did not love Him or their fellow man.
Faith works through love (Gal 5:6), not gifts of the Spirit, which it seems we can exercise and still miss the important stuff,,,,,,,,,,,,,,like the Pharisees who neglected the important things in the law.
Our righteousness must exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees.

 

[cataway]

None of this is LDS. And i will put it as simple as i can for you... The Gospel of the kingdom is not for you.

Both Enoch and Elijah transfigured in life, and both were descendants. No Man has ascended to heaven save he that descended from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven. But you said Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the Son of Man? But HE said the Son of Man is in Heaven.

Heaven is not a ghost world. The ghost is the Man programmed in the soul, dethatched from his physical body. And the place that person goes to was called hell.

its obvious by your response that you are not a seeker of the kingdom, or you are not a child of the kingdom. Farewell.

10 "Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. "
it would seam that Jesus knows that the kingdom would one day be a reality here on earth. in fact it would/will be the only form of government through out the whole of the earth . ruled over by the king Jesus the son of God from his thrown in heaven .
perhaps you were expecting a different kingdom ??

 

[Yahcubs777]

10 "Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. "
it would seam that Jesus knows that the kingdom would one day be a reality here on earth. in fact it would/will be the only form of government through out the whole of the earth . ruled over by the king Jesus the son of God from his thrown in heaven .
perhaps you were expecting a different kingdom ??

The kingdom, is celestial. This earth will be transfigured into a celestial planet. This earth will not be as it is now, with oceans, and mortals,and night time. The earth will be a celestial planet for immortals.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wonderful question. I believe, it is because those that are on the broad way die, while those on the narrow are those that lived forever without dying at all.
For example: GOD said that HE lost none. So was it only few that made it?....................
..... But there is also the people that never died, such as Enoch and Elijah, and those that were called "First fruits" unto GOD.

Therefore, I believe that those that followed the wide path, are those that died.
While those that followed the strait, are those that lived without dying at all.
Those that did not gain entrance at all, I believe they are tares.

God looses none, but I find people can loose God. A person can remove themselves from God.
This is why Matthew 20:28 says that Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all or everyone.
Many people think Enoch and Elijah never died, but is that what we can learn from the Bible_____
ALL who lived before Jesus are still dead - John 3:13 - None of them have a heavenly calling.
People who lived before Jesus can have a healthy physical resurrection back to live life on Earth.
People such as Elijah and Enoch - see Hebrews 11:5 - because Hebrews 11:13 and Hebrews 11:39 informs us they did Not receive the promise.
The promise of Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there 'is going to be' (<-future) a resurrection......
So, we need to know to 'which heavens' did Elijah ascend ___________
In short: The heavens was the mid-air heavens or atmosphere. He was moved from one place to another place.
I say this because Elijah was still alive on Earth years later according to 2 Chronicles 21:1; 2 Chronicles 21:12-15.
This is why Jesus could say what he did at John 3:13 that No man has ascended.....
In other words, the way to heavenly life was only opened up 'after' Jesus' death:
- John 14:2-3; Hebrews 9:24; Hebrews 10:19-20; Revelation 20:13.

As for Enoch, God did Not take him to Heaven but simply God did Not allow opposers to kill Enoch.
Enoch's life was cut short. In faith all of those of Hebrews chapter 11 did Not see the fulfillment of the promises.
So, as with King David (Acts of the Apostles 2:34) likewise Elijah and Enoch are still in gravedom.
They will have a future role as ' princes ' on Earth - Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1; Ezekiel 34:24

 

[cataway]

The kingdom, is celestial. This earth will be transfigured into a celestial planet. This earth will not be as it is now, with oceans, and mortals,and night time. The earth will be a celestial planet for immortals.

celestial ?? would mean in the heavens . the kingdom all ready rules in heaven . hence Jesus' intentions of it also ruling the peoples of the earth.
the earth is not going anywhere, it will always be here

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The kingdom, is celestial. This earth will be transfigured into a celestial planet. This earth will not be as it is now, with oceans, and mortals,and night time. The earth will be a celestial planet for immortals.

God's heavenly kingdom is celestial or located in Heaven, but we ask praying for God's kingdom to come.....
( thy kingdom come and God's will be done right here in Earth )
I find God's will, His purpose, is as found at Psalms 72:8 that Jesus will have subjects from ' sea to sea '.
So, yes there will be oceans, and Earth will be paradisical as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

celestial ?? would mean in the heavens . the kingdom all ready rules in heaven . hence Jesus' intentions of it also ruling the peoples of the earth.
the earth is not going anywhere, it will always be here

Yes, I find God's promise at Ecclesiastes 1:4 B is that ' Earth abides forever ' so Earth is Not going anywhere - Psalms 104:5 - rather it is the wicked who will Not be here according to Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22

 

[Yahcubs777]

God's heavenly kingdom is celestial or located in Heaven, but we ask praying for God's kingdom to come.....
( thy kingdom come and God's will be done right here in Earth )
I find God's will, His purpose, is as found at Psalms 72:8 that Jesus will have subjects from ' sea to sea '.
So, yes there will be oceans, and Earth will be paradisical as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

How many of you read the bible for yourselves? What does Revelation say about the New Earth? Do you think that earth is terrestrial? Its written there black and white!

Rev 21

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Yahcubs777]

God's heavenly kingdom is celestial or located in Heaven, but we ask praying for God's kingdom to come.....
( thy kingdom come and God's will be done right here in Earth )
I find God's will, His purpose, is as found at Psalms 72:8 that Jesus will have subjects from ' sea to sea '.
So, yes there will be oceans, and Earth will be paradisical as described in Isaiah 35th chapter.

When a person prays that prayer in knowledge, in spirit and in truth, the person is asking that the earth be made a heavens world, that the earth is transfigured into a celestial planet.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How many of you read the bible for yourselves? What does Revelation say about the New Earth? Do you think that earth is terrestrial? Its written there black and white! Rev 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death,...............

If one reads verse 1 of Revelation then one will know Revelation is written in signs (word pictures) or 16 visions.
Not every word in Revelation is meant as literal.
The ' sea ' that is No more is Not the ' sea ' of Psalms 72:8.
Rather, it is the ' sea of wicked humanity ' that will be No more - Isaiah 57:20; Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15
So, the ' waters ' of Rev. 17 verses 1 and 15 are Not literal waters, but peoples.
Jerusalem above (<-Galatians 4:26) comes down in the sense of governing over Earth.
Please notice at Revelation 21:3 that the tabernacle or dwelling of God is with: MEN.
We find MEN as dwelling on Earth. Thy kingdom come (where ) ..... God's will be done on -> Earth.....
Thus, ' death ' will be No more on Earth, just as there is No death in Heaven.
' Enemy death ' will be No more on Earth -> 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[loverofhumanity]

Jesus made this statement....

13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it. (Matthew 7:13-14 NASB)

If there is one road to life, but two roads to travel, why are there “few” who choose the road to life?
What is the “constriction” that makes people choose the wrong road when it ends so badly?

Jesus made another statement in the same chapter that I believe tells another part of the story.....

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7:21-23 NASB)

If you put those two elements together, what is Jesus telling us? Who are the “MANY”....and what are they doing that is rejected by Jesus? Why do they imagine that they are serving their “Lord” when he says he “never knew” them? “Never” means “not ever”.

Thoughts?

‘That day’ is the key for me. I believe this refers to the day when Christ returns and finds Christians not following the Gospels but following their own version of Christ and their own version of the Gospels full of man made doctrines, with their leaders opinions and views having become the new ‘Christ’ for them.

Saying ‘Lord, Lord’ will not save them. Having accepted Christ’s first coming but rejected His second coming will have effectively made them non Christians which is why He says He never knew them because they worship the words of their leaders not Christ’s Words.

So of course the gate is narrow when one considers of 2 billion Christians only a tiny handful have entered that gate and accepted Him when He returned while the others tarry.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

When a person prays that prayer in knowledge, in spirit and in truth, the person is asking that the earth be made a heavens world, that the earth is transfigured into a celestial planet.

I am wondering what you find 'celestial' about Earth as described in Isaiah 35th chapter _________________
I find earth's nations are located right here on Earth and 'healing' for earth's nations will be here on Earth as mentioned at Revelation 22:2.