Christians, why do you hate Gays?

[oldbadger]

I guess it is related to homosexuality being a sin in the NT?
I can't see how any Christian can get around what Paul teaches?

Of course a Christian can get around what Paul teaches. Not all Christians are Pauline Christians. Paul made up plenty of rules of his own..... nothing to do with basic Christianity.

 

[Lady B]

I'd have to see the story, because to be blunt, I don't believe it.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/politics/maine-pro-marriage-ad-features-vt-innkeepers

 

[Onkara]

Of course a Christian can get around what Paul teaches. Not all Christians are Pauline Christians. Paul made up plenty of rules of his own..... nothing to do with basic Christianity.

Hi Oldbadger
I would be pleased to find out more about non-Pauline Christinans (on another thread perhaps). I offer the above because I think it might answer the OP question:

I know not all of them do and there are many other religions that are the same. I am just wondering why a majority of Christians hate gays?

We seem to have established that "a majority" is incorrect, but the minority who do express hatred towards gays seems to be related to these verses from what I can see (I am happy to be shown otherwise) because Jesus did not advocate any discrimination, so where did it come from (or why do they hate gays)? My guess is from the writing of Paul?

 

[Storm]

Maine pro-marriage ad features VT innkeepers

OK,
1) That's not a chapel, it's an inn. Public accomodations are subject to different laws than churches.
2) It's not documentation of the claim, just description. The link which presumably leads to the facts of the case brings up a 404 error.

I'm far from convinced.

 

[Me Myself]

Hi Christine
Thanks for the reply, I think it is related because from what I can tell it is the writing of Paul on which the Christians can base hatred of homosexuals. So if we could discriminate the Christians who don't pay much attention to Paul then we can eliminate those groups from the dilemma (I would also like to know because I don't agree with Paul). What do you think?

1 Corinthians 6:9 - 10
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
9 Don’t you know that evil people won’t have a share in the blessings of God’s kingdom? Don’t fool yourselves! No one who is immoral or worships idols or is unfaithful in marriage or is a pervert or behaves like a homosexual will share in God’s kingdom.​

I am really interested on someone knowledgeable in the original language to tell me what the word for "homosexual" really meant there.

Also notice how all he is describing is behavior. If the homosexual does not perform homosexual acts, then he jumps out of that condemnation.

Romans 12:9
[ Rules for Christian Living ] Be sincere in your love for others. Hate everything that is evil and hold tight to everything that is good.​

You just spelled out love the sinner hate the sin

 

[Lady B]

OK,
1) That's not a chapel, it's an inn. Public accomodations are subject to different laws than churches.
2) It's not documentation of the claim, just description. The link which presumably leads to the facts of the case brings up a 404 error.

I'm far from convinced.

yes I grabbed the link from my facebook friend, sorry, at any rate a christain couple were forced to perform and suffered because they refused, you see that is ok?

 

[Storm]

yes I grabbed the link from my facebook friend, sorry, at any rate a christain couple were forced to perform and suffered because they refused, you see that is ok?

I wouldn't see it as ok if it had in fact happened that way, but from what you're telling me, that's not actually what happened.

Even if I take the couple's claim at face value, it's no different from refusing a black family a room on basis of their skin color. If they choose to shut down rather than obey anti-discrimination laws, that's their own doing.

 

[Jainarayan]

Then I suggest you read up a bit on polling methodology. Here's a good place to start.

Second line of the paper: "While there have been advances in the science of polling, there are now more poorly executed polls than ever."

 

[Jainarayan]

My stand is that the church should not be forced to accept, condone or perform any ceremonies against The word of God.

You don't understand the First Amendment of the US Constitution.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't agree the federal goverments denial of equal rights is the fault of Christians, My stand is that the church should not be forced to accept, condone or perform any ceremonies against The word of God. If the courts want to perform the ceremonies or private wedding chapels then so be it.

Everytime a vote have come up in the states concerning same sex marriage people have voted in favour of discrimination against same sex couples. Who do you think was voting against same-sex marriage? When an amendment was proposed to the U.S. constitution that would enshrine discrimination who do you think supported it? When a polition speaks out against homosexuality who do you think they are pandering to?

There was even a bill proposed in the Kansas state legeslature that would make discrimination against homosexuals legal, as long as it was done in the name of religion. And that as not even about marriage, it was about things like housing, and medical treatment. What religion do you think they had in mind?

 

[Onkara]

I am really interested on someone knowledgeable in the original language to tell me what the word for "homosexual" really meant there.

Also notice how all he is describing is behavior. If the homosexual does not perform homosexual acts, then he jumps out of that condemnation.



You just spelled out love the sinner hate the sin

Hi
Agreed, a sin is an action not a person.

I would also be interested in knowing what the Hebrew/Greek translation of that word is. Although Paul describes it quite clearly according to the CEV:

Romans 1.26 God let them follow their own evil desires. Women no longer wanted to have sex in a natural way, and they did things with each other that were not natural. 27 Men behaved in the same way. They stopped wanting to have sex with women and had strong desires for sex with other men. They did shameful things with each other, and what has happened to them is punishment for their foolish deeds.​

 

[Lady B]

I wouldn't see it as ok if it had in fact happened that way, but from what you're telling me, that's not actually what happened.

Even if I take the couple's claim at face value, it's no different from refusing a black family a room on basis of their skin color. If they choose to shut down rather than obey anti-discrimination laws, that's their own doing.

really? You see racial segregation is the same as refusal to perform a ceremony contrary to Scripture? cmon, being black is not a sin in any way shape or form and segregation is indeed wrong and a violation of human rights, This is not the same. I can't very well get the court documents as proof for you, It did indeed happen and frankly it is not shocking to me at all.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'd have to see the story, because to be blunt, I don't believe it.

Especially if it's in the US and is a bonafide religious institution.

 

[Jainarayan]

Maine pro-marriage ad features VT innkeepers

PORTLAND, ME - A Christian couple from Vermont that was sued for refusing to host a lesbian couple's "wedding" reception at their inn is featured in a new TV ad in Maine opposing a referendum seeking to legalize same-sex "marriage."

That was not in a church, but in a public business in a state that prohibits businesses from discriminating. An inn is a public business and cannot violate anti-discrimination laws.

 

[fantome profane]

really? You see racial segregation is the same as refusal to perform a ceremony contrary to Scripture? cmon, being black is not a sin in any way shape or form and segregation is indeed wrong and a violation of human rights, This is not the same. I can't very well get the court documents as proof for you, It did indeed happen and frankly it is not shocking to me at all.

Could you show me where in the article you linked to it says anything about a wedding ceremony? What I read was talking about a reception, not the same thing at all. This is an inn that was in the business of providing accomadations to the public for things like dinner, dancing, socializing etc. They refused to do this because this was a same sex couple. It had nothing to do with a church or a religious ceremony.

 

[Lady B]

Could you show me where in the article you linked to it says anything about a wedding ceremony? What I read was talking about a reception, not the same thing at all. This is an inn that was in the business of providing accomadations to the public for things like dinner, dancing, socializing etc. They refused to do this because this was a same sex couple. It had nothing to do with a church or a religious ceremony.

Your right, It was a reception, however I still stand firm that it is wrong, that christians are forced to comply with what is against their beliefs. granted they may have signed some waver and complied with said laws of state, which was their mistake imho.

 

[Me Myself]

Your right, It was a reception, however I still stand firm that it is wrong, that christians are forced to comply with what is against their beliefs. granted they may have signed some waver and complied with said laws of state, which was their mistake imho.

I am not following. You say this people were denied using the inn because they were homosexuals? and you think this is okay?

 

[Lady B]

I am not following. You say this people were denied using the inn because they were homosexuals? and you think this is okay?

Actually I had read the article wrong, sorry, I thought the innkeepers were sued for refusing to perform a ceremony for same sex marriage. yes this would be wrong.

as far as denying the use of a reception hall, well if they agreed to the state laws, then they were wrong to deny the use of their facility. I misread and I am sorry.

 

[Me Myself]

Actually I had read the article wrong, sorry, I thought the innkeepers were sued for refusing to perform a ceremony for same sex marriage. yes this would be wrong.

as far as denying the use of a reception hall, well if they agreed to the state laws, then they were wrong to deny the use of their facility. I misread and I am sorry.

I know for a fact this happens, it´s cool

 

[oldbadger]

Hi Oldbadger
I would be pleased to find out more about non-Pauline Christinans (on another thread perhaps). I offer the above because I think it might answer the OP question:

I'm sorry..... out of time....... must come back on this....

But briefly: Any Christians who are effeminate (males?) fornicators, adulterers (that includes divorcees remarrying?), abusers of themselves(!), homosexuals, envious, drunkards and a whole load more.. are clearly not following the guidance (demands?) of Paul's letters.

And any Christians who are not complying exactly with the laws of Leviticus are clearly in breech of Matthew 5/18.

So........ what percentage of Christians are true to the above? 1%? 5%? Any? There is no 'Church of Jesus without Paul', or 'without the old laws' but there are masses of Christians out there who feel this way.