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Christmas Trees are Pagan
- Thread starter Solon
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I guess I won't see you at the conference center for the Mormon Tabernacle Choir Christmas Concert. :biglaugh: I did know that Christmas trees were pagan. Thank you pagans for the great tradition!Faith_is_an_assurance said:
(p.s. anyone ever try to get tickets for those conference center things? how can 80,000 tickets (4 nights, 21,000 seats/night) be gone in two hours?!?).
My grandma woke me up at 6:00 in the morning to get her tickets. I was on the computer waiting in the "virtual waiting room" for hours. I got two for me also so I'll be there!Katzpur said:
On the topic, does anyone know of other parts of the Christmas tradition that are pagan?
FFH
Veteran Member
The whole "tree in the living room" thing is such an attack on Christianity.
We worship the Creator not the creation.
Pagans worship the creation. (The things of the earth)
Christians worship the Creator. (Jesus Christ and the Father)
Decorating a tree was a way of giving thanks to Mother Earth, for Pagans.
We as Christians need to give thanks to our Father for Jesus Christ on Christmas. Decorating a tree is simply a Pagan ritual that does not fit into Christian beliefs.
We worship the Creator not the creation.
Pagans worship the creation. (The things of the earth)
Christians worship the Creator. (Jesus Christ and the Father)
Decorating a tree was a way of giving thanks to Mother Earth, for Pagans.
We as Christians need to give thanks to our Father for Jesus Christ on Christmas. Decorating a tree is simply a Pagan ritual that does not fit into Christian beliefs.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Yule logs, wreaths, carolling, mistletoe...pretty much everything except the whole Jesus birth thingjonny said:
. And in all actuallity, Jesus was believed to be pagan anyway because of his teachings in Egypt. Also, the Yule religious symbolism of the holiday is the rebirth of the God through the Goddess on the longest night of the year.I just think its fun and a great place to store all my presents.Faith_is_an_assurance said:
Are you one of those Mormons who think that you can't have fun and be spiritual at the same time? I had one of those as a mission companion. It was an "interesting" two months...
Interesting. I figured that most of the "nature" stuff probably had pagan influences. How is carolling pagan?Draka said:Yule logs, wreaths, carolling, mistletoe...pretty much everything except the whole Jesus birth thing
jeffrey
â Ãig Dogâ
I decorate the tree because it's fun! Let me ask you this. My wife's and my anniversary is December 7th. The same day that Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, which, of course came 1st. So when I celebrate my anniversary, according to your logic, I'm in fact celebrating thousands of Americans dying?
Draka
Wonder Woman
The tradition of carolling goes far back to ancient practices in many countries actually. It's not just a pagan thing...just old and multi-religious thing really.jonny said:
Further info:
ancient Russia = used to sing kolydas that featured pagan deities
Native America = The Sun God was sung back to earth
Deck the Halls tells of decorating with holly, Yuletide carols, dancing, Yuletide treasure (no mention of Christmas)
"Carols" are from the old French word for "joyeus songs" and was also the name of round dances celebrating the rebirth of the pagan gods.
Evenstar
The Wicked Christian
Im I right by saying even the colors used Red and Green are from the Pagans?Draka said:Yule logs, wreaths, carolling, mistletoe...pretty much everything except the whole Jesus birth thing
... and that's an overstatement.Solon said:
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
The interesting thing about symbols is that their meanings are not constant. They mean one thing to one group of people and something else entirely to another group of people. That's why I think it's such a big mistake to label any symbol as pagan or Christian or Jewish or anything else. For instance, I did some research once on the swastaka that is associated with the Nazis, and learned that centuries before the Nazis ever lived, this same symbol was used by other cultures in an entirely different context. As my two cents worth applies to this particular post, though, red and green may very well have significance to the pagans. On the other hand, red is said by the Christians to represent Christ's blood and the green to represent new life.Rebecca said:
Darkdale
World Leader Pretend
Faith_is_an_assurance said:
Actually, the reason why people decorate their trees inside, is because Christians at one point made decorating trees illegal. So we brought our trees inside, away from the oppressive christian regimes. Pagans do worship creation, while Christians worship something else; but that is no reason for Christians not to celebrate Christmas with trees and yule logs and mistle toe and gift giving. People of almost every religion over the last three thousand years have held celebrations during this time of year... so why not share it with each other?
FFH
Veteran Member
Justify it any way you want. I prefer not associating myself with a Pagan ritual.jgallandt said:
I lived in Japan for about two years. Hiroshima and Nagasaki was much worse for the Japanese than Pearl Harbor. Being an American and living in Japan on the anniversary of those days was an uncomfortable feeling. Can we justify doing this too????? Killing innocent Japanese to end a war??????
We justify everything we do.