Christmas

[Scuba Pete]

Amen, Brother "J"!

It's not that they want to "find too much meaning", but rather that they want to revert to legalism instead of love. Legalism is easy: you make a mark and you just have to stay above that mark. Grace demands us to grow: not stay static. Yesterday's mark may too low or too high. It's today's best that we need to give.

When others worship Jesus in a way we are uncomfortable with, it brings out the green eyed monster in all of us. "We" don't worship in that way, so it MUST be wrong.

 

[jeffrey]

ND, I can see what your on about. Where not the Pharasees more concerned about the legalism of things?

 

[pandamonk]

Ok, I'll justify why i started this thread. It is not to ruin Christmas, or try and change anyone's feelings toward it. It was merely because i read what's quoted in the first post and found it interesting. There are many Christians who say i, and others like me, shouldn't celebrate Christmas. Also that it is too commercialized, and their solution is to "put the Christ back into Christmas". What i was trying to say with this thread is that Christmas isn't historically Christian, and so anyone should be allowed to celebrate it. Also that Christmas is about giving and seeing/talking to people you haven't seen all year, but not about Jesus. Although if Christians want to celebrate it for this reason, that's fine with me. As long as they don't try to force it on me, or tell me I'm wrong for celebrating.

 

[michel]

Ok, I'll justify why i started this thread. It is not to ruin Christmas, or try and change anyone's feelings toward it. It was merely because i read what's quoted in the first post and found it interesting. There are many Christians who say i, and others like me, shouldn't celebrate Christmas. Also that it is too commercialized, and their solution is to "put the Christ back into Christmas". What i was trying to say with this thread is that Christmas isn't historically Christian, and so anyone should be allowed to celebrate it. Also that Christmas is about giving and seeing/talking to people you haven't seen all year, but not about Jesus. Although if Christians want to celebrate it for this reason, that's fine with me. As long as they don't try to force it on me, or tell me I'm wrong for celebrating.

There are many Christians who say i, and others like me, shouldn't celebrate Christmas

I am not one; enjoy yourself, and have a good holiday.

Also that it is too commercialized

It is, and the only thing that upsets me about the commercialization is the many families will overspend money they haven't even got. When the credit card bills roll in in January next year, there will be tears.

You enjoy Christmas the way you want; as you said 'Live and let live' I'll celebrate Christmas my way, and you will do so your way.:bounce

 

[Scuba Pete]

Ok, I'll justify why i started this thread.

No need Pandmonk,

This has been one of the better threads on this board! I would give you Fubals if I had any to give (I am always running out!).

 

[Xzist]

Some people try to find to much meaning in the Bible and loose what it is trying to teach us. Jesus came to earth, for 1, to set the law straight. Man complicates things. Jesus simplified things. Now man is trying to complicate his word.... again.

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Jesus did make things simple by giving us instructions on how to worship him... once again... after searching the scriptures... i have not found anything in the scriptures about Christmas.

Christmas is a [man made] worldly holiday. I show "love" to people everyday.... I glorify Christ.... everyday... not just on the 25th of one month out of a whoooole year.

 

[jeffrey]

Show me in the Bible where is says NOT to celebrate Christ's birthday?

 

[muichimotsu]

Tell me where it says TO celebrate his birthday.

 

[may]

i suppose the problem lies really with the so called religious leaders of christendom who promote christmas as a bible based celebration when in the end it is not, i used to celabrate christmas because i was under the false belief that it was a christian thing to do. but after more personal study of the bible , my bible trained concience would not allow me to take part in it any longer ,but that is just the way i feel , everyone to their own.

 

[jeffrey]

Tell me where it says TO celebrate his birthday.

Show me where it says to breathe. Show me where it says to drive a car. Show me where it says to post on a forum on the internet. :computer:

 

[jeffrey]

Take Christmas away. Take away to joy, the spirit of giving some feel. Take away that special day all kids look forward to. Take it away just to make e few scooges feel better. The 'If I ain't happy, no one else can be either' people, let them have their way. LET'S ALL BE MISERABLE TOGETHER!

 

[Scuba Pete]

The doctrine of "Speak where the Bible speaks" has a few traps within it.

If we take the idea that we should only condemn what the Bible condemns, we are pretty safe.

If we take the idea that we should only DO what the Bible says we should do, then we are on an incredibly slippery slope. As my dear brother "J" pointed out, we would have to stop using all technology in our services (electricity, flushing toilets, AC, amplified sound) as well as some traditional favorites such as a song leader, church building, three piece suits; you get the idea. We would be walking everywhere (unlike those heathen Quakers who actually use horse carts) wearing robes and sandals and carrying swords.

This flies in the face of Paul's teaching to be all things to all men. Thought you should know.

 

[may]

Take Christmas away. Take away to joy, the spirit of giving some feel. Take away that special day all kids look forward to. Take it away just to make e few scooges feel better. The 'If I ain't happy, no one else can be either' people, let them have their way. LET'S ALL BE MISERABLE TOGETHER!

just because i do not celabrate christmas does not mean i am miserable , i can party on any time , if i want to and give my loved ones gifts any time if i want to. but my worship to my God should not be mixed in with pagan worship , so i like to keep it clean in a spiritual way but i am not tellings others to refrain that is my choice

 

[Solon]

I move to ban Christmas, and replace with a one celebration of the Solstice.

S

 

[Solon]

I move to ban Christmas, and replace with a one day celebration of the Solstice.

S

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If we take the idea that we should only condemn what the Bible condemns, we are pretty safe.

Leviticus 11 ... Leviticus 20 ...

 

[jeffrey]

Your right, May. My wife's and my anniversary is Dec 7th, Which is also the day Japan attacked Pearl Harbor. We do not want or anniversary to be confused with such a horrific day, So we now will refuse to give each other gifts!

Choose to day you want to celebrate the Birth of our saviour, but guaranteed, someone will come along and say that date is also a non-Christian holiday​

 

[jeffrey]

What I'm trying to say, May, is do not let others ruin what is such a wonderful day. The day, our nation as a whole, celebrate the Birth of Christ. There is nothing more that anti-Christian haters would love to do is ruin something so special. Don't budge. Don't let them dictate what and when you celebrate something they lothe.

 

[michel]

just because i do not celabrate christmas does not mean i am miserable , i can party on any time , if i want to and give my loved ones gifts any time if i want to. but my worship to my God should not be mixed in with pagan worship , so i like to keep it clean in a spiritual way but i am not tellings others to refrain that is my choice

but i am not tellings others to refrain that is my choice

In that case, no problems.

 

[pandamonk]

What I'm trying to say, May, is do not let others ruin what is such a wonderful day. The day, our nation as a whole, celebrate the Birth of Christ. There is nothing more that anti-Christian haters would love to do is ruin something so special. Don't budge. Don't let them dictate what and when you celebrate something they lothe.

The thing we(or at least I)dislike about it, is how it was so blatantly used to win Pagan converts and hide past religions/beliefs/traditions. I am totally against those who say you guys shouldn't celebrate it or whatever, but i do dislike the reasons why it is celebrated on that day. I'm not against celebrating Christmas on the 25th Dec, but I am against those who tell me I can't or shouldn't because it is a Christian holiday.