Circumcision should be banned

[angellous_evangellous]

I don't wanna know how that's possible :cover:

haha - the Jews actually had a procedure for it back in the old days so they could compete in the Greek games.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

haha - the Jews actually had a procedure for it back in the old days so they could compete in the Greek games.

Useful for infiltrating neo nazi cells/groups as well

 

[ninerbuff]

I didnt say it was done in america...I said if it was done in your nation (by a minority group) would you ban it?

You said No.

You are then a threat to children...kind of.

Again, I also said if it was a religious rite, I stated no. I support the right for any religion to what they want as long as it doesn't end in death.
And just because I don't ban it doesn't mean I condone it. I wouldn't ban marijuana use, but I don't condone it. I wouldn't ban suicide, but I don't condone it.

 

[Primordial Annihilator]

Again, I also said if it was a religious rite, I stated no. I support the right for any religion to what they want as long as it doesn't end in death.
And just because I don't ban it doesn't mean I condone it. I wouldn't ban marijuana use, but I don't condone it. I wouldn't ban suicide, but I don't condone it.

So you support the right for any religion to do what it likes as long as it doesnt end in death?

So I guess if a religion wants to use babies in sex rituals you are happy with that?

Fascinating...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I see a lot of what many consider reasons not to circumcise. I also see alleged harm done by circumcision. What I don't see is a modern Western nation banning it. Why, you wonder? It's simple: the 'reasons' supplied are apparently not considered credible by governments invested in protecting their populaces. In other words, when the issue of banning circumcision comes up, someone calls BS.

Personally, I see three other big reasons:

- religious practices often receive preferential treatment specifically because they're religious. I mean, if I decided that I would have my infant son or daughter's earlobes surgically removed, the question wouldn't be whether this should be paid for under my government health insurance plan, the question would be whether I and whatever doctor I found to do it should be charged with a crime... even if I thought that removing a child's earlobes is really, really important.

- if you wanted to actually stop circumcision, you'd need a huge amount of government interference in people's private lives. This has a signficant amount of harm associated with it as well. I think that many people's opinion of circumcision isn't actually that it's harmless, but rather that it isn't as harmful as living in a police state.

- in many places, circumcision is still done as a matter of course for "medical" reasons. These sorts of practices and attitudes take time to change.

 

[PolyHedral]

- if you wanted to actually stop circumcision, you'd need a huge amount of government interference in people's private lives. This has a signficant amount of harm associated with it as well. I think that many people's opinion of circumcision isn't actually that it's harmless, but rather that it isn't as harmful as living in a police state

Surely preventing parents chopping off their childrens' earlobes requires just as much interference?

 

[ninerbuff]

So you support the right for any religion to do what it likes as long as it doesnt end in death?

So I guess if a religion wants to use babies in sex rituals you are happy with that?

Fascinating...

You've gone from circumcision to baby sex rituals. You're starting to create straw man arguments. Stick to the point. And just to pacify you, no I wouldn't be happy with babies in sex rituals.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Surely preventing parents chopping off their childrens' earlobes requires just as much interference?

Probably, if you wanted to be absolutely certain that it wasn't happening. However, there isn't a large group of people out there who are bound and determined to chop their children's earlobes off regardless of what the law says on the matter.

We don't need government interference to get earlobe-chopping down to a negligible level because it's already at a negligible level.

Also, chopped-off earlobes are more obvious in most social settings than circumcision.

 

[ninerbuff]

Probably, if you wanted to be absolutely certain that it wasn't happening. However, there isn't a large group of people out there who are bound and determined to chop their children's earlobes off regardless of what the law says on the matter.

We don't need government interference to get earlobe-chopping down to a negligible level because it's already at a negligible level.

Also, chopped-off earlobes are more obvious in most social settings than circumcision.

Heck, just piercing kids earlobes should be banned if people are that worried about circumcision.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Heck, just piercing kids earlobes should be banned if people are that worried about circumcision.

That's what I said earlier.

 

[Breathe]

Heck, just piercing kids earlobes should be banned if people are that worried about circumcision.

Some ethnic and social groups pierce their children's ears from a young age.




Honestly, I don't see a problem with children's earlobes being pierced. You can take earrings out easily. I don't get why everyone hates it.

 

[waitasec]

Heck, just piercing kids earlobes should be banned if people are that worried about circumcision.

you know circumcision makes the penis less sensitive...
that's what i've heard.
someone's loosing out...

 

[Levite]

you know circumcision makes the penis less sensitive...
that's what i've heard.
someone's loosing out...

First of all, I have helped several adult men convert who needed circumcision, and they all said that after they had healed, sex was definitely not worse, though they admitted that at first it felt a little different than they were used to. But none of them had any complaints about loss of sensitivity.

Second of all, I have grown up with circumcised guys all my life, and am of course circumcised myself: neither I nor any man I know personally has ever been heard to say, "Man, I sure wish sex felt better. If only my penis were more sensitive."

I'm just sayin'.....

 

[waitasec]

First of all, I have helped several adult men convert who needed circumcision, and they all said that after they had healed, sex was definitely not worse, though they admitted that at first it felt a little different than they were used to. But none of them had any complaints about loss of sensitivity.

Second of all, I have grown up with circumcised guys all my life, and am of course circumcised myself: neither I nor any man I know personally has ever been heard to say, "Man, I sure wish sex felt better. If only my penis were more sensitive."

I'm just sayin'.....

i would imagine since they were adults when this change happened their sensitivity would be different than that of a little boy that was circumcised since birth, know what i mean.
for example;
i play guitar and i have developed a callous on my finger tips, if i stop playing for a lengthy period of time the callous goes away and they become more sensitive to the guitar strings.
so unfortunately when the hood is off it's gone for good
but then again i don't have that sort of equipment, it's sheer speculation.