Circumcision without consent. Is it wrong?

[Secret Chief]

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I'm not too sensistive but can you at least SPELL THE ******* WORD RIGHT!

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not too sensistive but can you at least SPELL THE ******* WORD RIGHT!

Check my edit.
I fixed it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Check my edit.
I fixed it.

Thank you, ***********.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Just out of curiosity, do you know if you would have felt more, less or the same sensations during sex if you hadn't had it done? What if you're missing exstatic because you were condemned to experience just very nice, without having a say?

I'm not missing anything.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Circumcision decreases sensitivity.

So you can last longer...

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The Biblical narrative is that circumcision is a sign of the Mosaic Covenant, not that foreskins offend God.

I acknowledged that in my post -- but you cut that part out. I guess you didn't want it to get in the way of your argument? My point was that there are easier, less painful and less drastic ways to render such a sign. A tattoo, for example.

As far as the biblical narrative is concerned no other group is required to take on the practice. IMO, circumcision being ubiquitous in the Afroasoatic world suggests that the Biblical account was constructed to serve as a religious justification for a practice that was already well established among all Semitic peoples anyway. The practice predates the religion.

Quite so -- the Egyptians were doing it long before.

 

[Wildswanderer]

And that is the real world scenario that's
best dealt with...the one I'm addressing.

And ignoring that this is often not the reality, and in fact babies are killed right before they could be born naturally.

 

[Wildswanderer]

The study, by researcher Dan Bollinger, concluded that approximately 117 neonatal deaths due directly or indirectly to circumcision occur annually in the United States, or one out of every 77 male neonatal deaths."

And how many are killed by abortion? A much grimmer statistic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And ignoring that this is often not the reality, and in fact babies are killed right before they could be born naturally.

That is already illegal. I think that you might be confused.

 

[viole]

And ignoring that this is often not the reality, and in fact babies are killed right before they could be born naturally.

Talking about miscarriages? Who causes those?

ciao

- viole

 

[Wildswanderer]

doubt it, but please do list these.

Less chance of infection.
A reduced risk of some sexually transmitted diseases in men. Protection against penile cancer and a lower risk of cervical cancer in female sex partners.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And how many are killed by abortion? A much grimmer statistic.

No babies are killed using abortion.

 

[Secret Chief]

Quite so -- the Egyptians were doing it long before.
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I feel faint just looking at that picture.

 

[Wildswanderer]

That is already illegal. I think that you might be confused.

No it's not illegal everywhere. Only in 21 states in the US not sure about other countries.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No babies are killed using abortion.

Hogwash. Fully formed babies are killed regularly.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Talking about miscarriages? Who causes those?

ciao

- viole

No, partial birth abortion or just late term abortion.

 

[viole]

No, partial birth abortion or just late term abortion.

Well, miscarriages are vastly more. And who could avoid them?

by the way, you mention late term abortions. Are you fine with early term abortions?

ciao

- viole

 

[Revoltingest]

And ignoring that this is often not the reality, and in fact babies are killed right before they could be born naturally.

Some evidence to show this is a problem
so common that it should drive the discussion
would be useful.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, partial birth abortion or just late term abortion.

Those make up a slim minority of abortions and when they do happen are very generally necessary to preserve the life of the mother (such as my best friend who suffered head trauma and had to undergo a medically induced coma).

 

[metis]

Viagra is a medication that treats that.

My wife & I discussed this as a possibility but when it comes to meds, I' very much the minimalist-- I take only what I must take. And my wife mentioned that there's a time and place for darn near everything, and we definitely had plenty of time in the hay.

However, do we really want aging people (males and females) to sire kids?

We have 8 grandkids, and they darn near wore us out, which is why ya have kids when you're younger! Now the youngest grandchild is ready to go to college. We are a VERY close-knit family.