circumsizion

[RJ50]

Having a boy's foreskin removed for non medical reasons is abuse and should be made illegal, imo. It should also be illegal to have your small child's skin pierced for the purposes of inserting jewellery!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It has become a real problem in the UK since a young boy died following a back street circumcision last month. The nurse in question has done hundreds of private ops.

It turns out most Circumcisions are done this way in the UK. As it is not normally offered by the NHS. Only when done for acute health reasons. ( most doctors have never done one)

There is no apatite for the health service to get into the Religious service industry at the public cost.
Last night a health service doctor in a TV interview, says he does at least 12 corrective operations for botched circumcisions each month.

This is no doubt caused by the large increase in the Muslim population, as the Jewish one is small stable and well served by their own religious practitioners.

I have no Idea where a Christian parent would go if they wanted their child circumcised, it is rare enough never to have come up in conversation.

 

[RJ50]

My husband's silly 'born again' parents had him circumcised as a baby. Whoever did it made a right mess of the task, and left him with substantial scarring in that area!

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

And I think it's child abuse to allow the Foreskin to remain. The chances of infection and STD's are far higher.

Dangers of not being circumcised - KCBD NewsChannel 11 Lubbock

It could very well be that that the non-circs are the ones spreading the most STDs, I will try to see more on that.

Circumcision Cuts HPV Risk for Both Sexes

There could arguably be 50% less HPV going around if women would stick to circumcised men.

In the UK and most of Europe circumcision is rare . I have seen no evidence that we have a higher rate of std or aids. Or that Jews and Moslem's have fewer std's here.
I have never heard a woman state a preference, or even ask the question.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

And I think it's child abuse to allow the Foreskin to remain. The chances of infection and STD's are far higher.

The folly of recommending circumcision as a protection against STDs speaks for itself, so I'll keep a hygienic distance.

But the notion that removing the foreskin decreases the chance of infection or cancer isn't any more of a reason to circumcise than it would be to recommend every female undergo a double mastectomy at puberty. The incidence of penile cancer is so rare that more kids probably die of botched circumcisions than would go on to contract it.

-Nato

 

[dawny0826]

My sister has two sons. Her pediatrician discussed with her the pros and cons of the procedure for both boys and left the decision in her corner.

She opted to go forward with the procedure from a hygienic perspective. Both boys healed quickly and haven't had any problems.

Parents have the right to make informed choices for their children. I would have the procedure done to my son because I do feel that it's more hygienic to be without the foreskin. And I'm not daft...I know that the statistics for penile cancer are fairly low, but, circumcision eliminates that risk.

I think that people overreact to this topic.

We live in a society where people fight for the right to abort pregnancies, yet, we seem to frown on providing parents the opportunity to make informed decisions for their children. If circumcision is available in clincial, safe settings to be performed by professionals who know what the hell they're doing, this would be less of an issue.

You either believe that there's benefit to circumcision, be it practical, religious or otherwise or you don't. Making an informed choice, thoroughly weighing any risks to benefit is important and is a personal choice that parents should have the right to make for their children.

Seriously, compared to things that I've gone through as a woman to give birth to children...this issue seems so freaking petty to me.

 

[RJ50]

At one time tonsils were removed because they were thought to be harmful, even if they weren't causing a problem. We know better today. Surely the foreskin is there for a purpose and shouldn't be removed, unless there is a sound medical reason for doing so.

 

[Rakhel]

I just realized that one could compare circumcision to HPV vaccines.
Both decrease the risk to cancers that are low on the risk scale as it is.

(I can hear the "Is not!"s boiling up right now)

 

[Iti oj]

All the girls i know like it snipped and think its icky unsnipped.
Also snipllping it makes the guy last longer by a few second(do not know if its true)
Also i heard their are health benifits.
im an atheist and i think ill snip my kids...

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The risk of cervical cancer increases with how early intercourse started,and for how long and how frequently it takes place. If you have your cervix removed problem solved. ( in that area anyway)

Penile cancer can occur on any part of the penis, remove the foreskin and the risk must be reduced there at least..

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

All the girls i know like it snipped and think its icky unsnipped.
Also snipllping it makes the guy last longer by a few second(do not know if its true)
Also i heard their are health benifits.
im an atheist and i think ill snip my kids...

It is not a matter of a few seconds... A gentleman says ladies first.

Might be best to talk it over with your future wife before you get the scissors out.

 

[ChristineES]

I can tell you right now that neither of my sons have had any kind of trauma revisited on them when they were circumcised as newborns. I repeat what others have said: I see babies and small children with pierced ears and such things as that. Boring a hole in your ear is probably much more painful and harder to heal than removing foreskin.

Maybe you ought to do a study: Ask all the men who were circumcised as babies what trauma they had from it. Show us your data when you are done. (Sorry, just being a little bit facetious here).

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

People here seem very cavalier about the downside to the procedure, but there's actually a long list of complications from routine circumcision. Who should I trust, people who present citations from medical journals, or amateurs giving their opinions on a message board?

Hmm. This is a tough one.

-Nato

 

[ChristineES]

People here seem very cavalier about the downside to the procedure, but there's actually a long list of complications from routine circumcision. Who should I trust, people who present citations from medical journals, or amateurs giving their opinions on a message board?

Hmm. This is a tough one.

-Nato

Well, post them, if you haven't already. People here aren't trying to sway you to their side, they are just stating their opinions.

 

[Falvlun]

It has become a real problem in the UK since a young boy died following a back street circumcision last month. The nurse in question has done hundreds of private ops.

It turns out most Circumcisions are done this way in the UK. As it is not normally offered by the NHS. Only when done for acute health reasons. ( most doctors have never done one)

There is no apatite for the health service to get into the Religious service industry at the public cost.
Last night a health service doctor in a TV interview, says he does at least 12 corrective operations for botched circumcisions each month.

This is no doubt caused by the large increase in the Muslim population, as the Jewish one is small stable and well served by their own religious practitioners.

I have no Idea where a Christian parent would go if they wanted their child circumcised, it is rare enough never to have come up in conversation.

Interesting perspective. We here in America tend to forget that it's not all that common in other Western European countries.

In a perfect world, circumcision wouldn't exist. It is an unnecessary medical procedure of a sensitive area, usually done on a child before he can voice his opinion.

But it's not a perfect world, and various religions have made it their "thing". And seeing as it doesn't really cause all that much harm, unlike the female version, I do not see the need to ban it, or call it "child abuse", etc.

I mostly wish that circumcision wasn't the "fashion statement" it is in N. America. If I have sons, I am strongly in favor of not having them circumcized. However, I don't want them to feel awkward, be teased, or have girls turned off because they look different than all the other boys in their culture. So, it's a catch-22.

 

[Desert Snake]

Circumcision is a religious practice..........Judaism & Islam, therefore the argument is really about freedom of religion when it comes to laws concerning it

For everyone thinking that it is something besides a religious practice, you should take a look at your reasoning skills.
Didn't have to read the whole thread to present the obvious

 

[Falvlun]

Circumcision is a religious practice..........Judaism & Islam, therefore the argument is really about freedom of religion when it comes to laws concerning it

For everyone thinking that it is something besides a religious practice, you should take a look at your reasoning skills.
Didn't have to read the whole thread to present the obvious

It's a cultural practice too, at least in the US. Sometimes religion spills into the mainstream.

 

[E. Nato Difficile]

It is an unnecessary medical procedure of a sensitive area, usually done on a child before he can voice his opinion.

That's the crux of the issue for me. It's a procedure with risks, performed on someone who can't withhold consent. No medical association on the planet recommends routine circumcision; they best they'll say is that it should be left up to the parents.

I mostly wish that circumcision wasn't the "fashion statement" it is in N. America. If I have sons, I am strongly in favor of not having them circumcized. However, I don't want them to feel awkward, be teased, or have girls turned off because they look different than all the other boys in their culture. So, it's a catch-22.

I chose not to have my son circumcised. He doesn't appear to have any problems with his love life. And since he's a goalie on an ice hockey team, he's in no danger of being teased either.

-Nato

 

[Desert Snake]

It's a cultural practice too, at least in the US. Sometimes religion spills into the mainstream.

True. originating with religion, though, definitely

 

[Iti oj]

It is not a matter of a few seconds... A gentleman says ladies first.

Might be best to talk it over with your future wife before you get the scissors out.

Ignore the rest of what i said to place an adhomnim? Cool brah