No ad hominen, iti. He was saying that it's something you should discuss with the mother of your child, rather than a decision you should just make on your own.
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No ad hominen, iti. He was saying that it's something you should discuss with the mother of your child, rather than a decision you should just make on your own.
The first part is the ad hominen. And i already know my gf and i are getting married <3 and how she feels about the topic,
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
It is a matter of a few seconds. In the last circumcision I've attended the baby did not even cry, I was the one who held the baby before the rabbi (who is also an MD) preformed the process.
It's a short procedure which millions of people around the world find to bring a more aesthetic result. Like others here, I am an atheist and if I'll father baby boys they will certainly be circumcised for cultural and aesthetic reasons.
E. Nato Difficile
Active Member
The term aesthetic is at least somewhat subjective, but I've never heard it applied to circulation problems, ischemia, necrosis, or gangrene.
-Nato
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Really? that's quite a revelation.
Since all the males around me have been circumcised and had none of the problems listed above I find that the risks are neligable and rare.
And just as you googled your list of problems above, it took me a second to google declarations that circumcizion risks are extremely rare and neligable. The only difference is that I don't have an ax to grind so I am not posting selective links to support my agenda.
It matters not to me if other people circumcise their children or not. However, it does matter to this discussion to bring the fact that millions of people circumcise their children regardless of faith, and that attacks against circumcision are not an attack against religion but are attacks against cultures.
Now, since various cultures around the world from South America, the Pacific, the Far East, South Asia, the Middle East, and Africa will resume thousands of years of aesthetic traditions which involve circumcision, body piercing, tattoos, and other types of body modification it's an interesting social study case to witness how modern European courts are failing miserably to apply their post colonial standards to other cultures.
What can I say, you can keep stomping your feet, but the world will keep turning, and other cultures will resume to live as they always have.
E. Nato Difficile
Active Member
You should calm down.
All I'm saying is that the procedure has significant enough risks that people should only undergo circumcision if they consent to it freely. You're saying it's fine and dandy to make that decision for a newborn.
Talk about an interesting social study case.
-Nato
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
I am very relaxed. I am not the one wishing to dictate how other cultures should function.
Nonsense. Circumcision certainly has no significant risks. Decisions are being made for newborns every day. In fact, decisions are being made for children all the way until their adult lives. There is absolutely nothing strange about this.
It would be a very dull world (and probably a fascist society) to live in where everyone have to answer to one absolute standard.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I was referring to this
Not the Rabbi's performance:rainbow1:
As for snipping.... as a ten year old, at boys school, I was told it was to show if you were a "Royalist" or Parliamentariann"
___Cavalier or Roundhead -----
The UK is now mostly Royalist.
RogerTheAtheist
A born-again freethinker
It should be illegal because it's an irreversible procedure that can have complications. So can poor hygiene, but hygiene is something children should be taught anyway.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The Hygiene aspect is something of a red herring, compared to the potential hygiene problems for women.
chinu
chinu
Without, or with consent, in both the cases it's big foolery among people.. i think.
RogerTheAtheist
A born-again freethinker
Do you mean female circumcision, or hygiene problems for women when having sex with men that have poor hygiene?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The problem for women is the complex nature of their equipment, its location plus the nature of the various cyclical secretions. Add to that the inconsiderate hygiene and sexual practises of men and it becomes a continual problem area.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
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