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Civility

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Words that in reality define a legitimate evil such as Nazi, Fascist, and racist, are thrown around so frivolously today as simply an insult that they have lost their meaning.
We are talking about actual, self proclaimed nazis, though. In this instance.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Is this actually what you thought I was getting at?
Kinda. In the cartoon, the KKK member and the person arguing for civility with the KKK are the same person; I don’t think you’re akin to a KKK member, but I do think you’re asking for civility - or I would argue passivity - in the fave of the KKK and their ilk.

Secondly, how do you disarm hate?
I think there are some people who will have violent hate no matter what you do; for these people, it’s best to reduce the harm they can do by cutting them off from society and support.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Words that in reality define a legitimate evil such as Nazi, Fascist, and racist, are thrown around so frivolously today as simply an insult that they have lost their meaning.
The mere fact that they’re used more frequently these days doesn’t mean that they’re being used frivolously.

Nobody’s the villain in their own story; I think there’s a tendency by many on the right to think that when terms like “fascist” are applied to them or the people and parties they support, it must be a mistake. I think these people should stop and consider whether there might be a good reason for why these terms are being used instead of assuming that the people using the terms must be engaging in hyperbole or painting with too broad a brush.
 
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jonathan180iq

Well-Known Member
Kinda. In the cartoon, the KKK member and the person arguing for civility with the KKK are the same person; I don’t think you’re akin to a KKK member, but I do think you’re asking for civility - or I would argue passivity - in the fave of the KKK and their ilk.
Passive (non)response in the name of direct hate is not at all what I'm talking about or arguing for.
I think it's a mistake to pretend the only two options in this conversation are complicity and extremism.
There's a ****-ton of middle ground between the two, which I think are vastly more important and prevalent in society, and cartoons like this casually brush over that in favor of the extremes, which only fuels the idea that there's only two options... It's a vicious cycle. And that's silly.

I think there are some people who will have violent hate no matter what you do; for these people, it’s best to reduce the harm they can do by cutting them off from society and support.
For that minority population, I would agree.
But the majority of people who favor a given political ideology aren't solidified to the point of being in cahoots with organized hate groups. Which means they're reachable. And reachable people should be reached.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Not in my experience. Certainly not by me.

Just for the sake of this thread;

Fascism definition, a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Definition of Nazism (National Socialist)
: the body of political and economic doctrines held and put into effect by the Nazis in Germany from 1933 to 1945 including the totalitarian principle of government, predominance of especially Germanic groups assumed to be racially superior, and supremacy of the führer
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
There's a ****-ton of middle ground between the two, which I think are vastly more important and prevalent in society

I couldn't agree more.

For that minority population, I would agree.
But the majority of people who favor a given political ideology aren't solidified to the point of being in cahoots with organized hate groups. Which means they're reachable. And reachable people should be reached.

Again I agree. And you cant reach them by hurling insults at them.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Oh? I did not pay a lot of attn. Can you show me
why you say that?
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These are the guys I am talking about. These are the guys Trump said were very fine people.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
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These are the guys I am talking about. These are the guys Trump said were very fine people.


I wont like any of them very much.

But I am not so easily satified. There's like ten guys there,
wherever that is.

How many were at rally? Were they all like that.

Scroll thru some of these photos.

Maybe a better grounded comment would be. " some reaaly bad, dangerous
people clashing".

Faint praise for alt right: at least they are not afraid to show their faces.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
I wont like any of them very much.

But I am not so easily satified. There's like ten guys there,
wherever that is.

How many were at rally? Were they all like that.

Scroll thru some of these photos.
You can do that yourself. I have scanned enough photos and seen enough footage of that rally.
 
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