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Claims vs. Beliefs

Trailblazer

Trailblazer

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Policy said:
Mostly because you use it to dodge accountability and shirk responsibility for yourself and your claims. But, as you will most likely continue that practice, you are probably right in that it doesn't matter. ;)
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I have no accountability or responsibility to anyone on this forum for my religious claims.
If you want to know if my claims are true you alone are responsible to investigate them.
It's called the internet.
 
ppp

ppp

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ElishaElijah said:
There was enough room, have you considered the information that you’re plugging into your equation might be faulty? You’re assuming you have the correct information.
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  • There are not enough water molecules on earth to account for a flood as described by the Bible. Where are those molecules now?
  • By what mechanism the were the drastic changes in angular moment negated?
  • How did the olive tree survive? How did any vegetation survive?
  • How did the sea plankton survive the decrease in salination.
  • How did the fresh water plankton survive the increase.
  • Why don't we find fossils from all species on the same stratigraphic layer?
  • How did the ark survive 200 foot waves (at minimum)?
  • How did the ark survive boiling seas? Superheated air?
  • What was the actual animal count of the animals on the ark? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?
  • How much food was required to feed all the animals for one year?
  • Why aren't the coral reefs dead?
  • Why is there evidence against a flood in the varve record? Stalactite formation? Worldwide human habitation?
 
ppp

ppp

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Trailblazer said:
I have no accountability or responsibility to anyone on this forum for my religious claims.
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I just said that. Not sure why you are repeating me.
Trailblazer said:
If you want to know if my claims are true you alone are responsible to investigate them.
It's called the internet.
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Oh @Trailblazer, I have read your texts and heard Baha'i arguments. I already know that your claims are not true. And even if I were wrong about that, and B did happen to be a messenger of some god, you still lack the ability to arrive at that conclusion by any rational means.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Policy said:
  • There are not enough water molecules on earth to account for a flood as described by the Bible. Where are those molecules now?
  • By what mechanism the were the drastic changes in angular moment negated?
  • How did the olive tree survive? How did any vegetation survive?
  • How did the sea plankton survive the decrease in salination.
  • How did the fresh water plankton survive the increase.
  • Why don't we find fossils from all species on the same stratigraphic layer?
  • How did the ark survive 200 foot waves (at minimum)?
  • How did the ark survive boiling seas? Superheated air?
  • What was the actual animal count of the animals on the ark? Dozens? Hundreds? Thousands?
  • How much food was required to feed all the animals for one year?
  • Why aren't the coral reefs dead?
  • Why is there evidence against a flood in the varve record? Stalactite formation? Worldwide human habitation?
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A lot of those questions you would need to know, which you don’t, in order reject the biblical narrative. Which you don’t only speculation. The problem with people who only believe in one aspect (the natural world you can see) is you rule out God altogether like He doesn’t interject Himself into His Creation thus you rule out any supernatural things. Who was there to witness this event? Most are dead, God was there with Noah and his family. They would know. You’re asking how many animals were on the Ark, you talked like you knew, I don’t need to know because I trust God, His Word and Jesus Christ. If He shows me something as I consider things will share it. These conversations are great in that respect.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
READ THE POST...
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Why? If I answer your questions and provide the evidence for Noah’s Ark, if God came down to earth right now like He did 2000 years ago would you believe and place your trust in Him? If the answer is probably not then why should we talk?
 
ppp

ppp

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ElishaElijah said:
A lot of those questions you would need to know, which you don’t, in order reject the biblical narrative. Which you don’t only speculation.
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Those sentences are incomplete. I cannot parse them.
My point with those questions is that there are a LOT more problems with the flood story than just whether or not the animals would fit. Why do you even raise the question of reality. Just claim that it was all a miracle and be done with it.
ElishaElijah said:
The problem with people who only believe in one aspect (the natural world you can see) is you rule out God altogether
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That is your problem. Not mine.
ElishaElijah said:
like He doesn’t interject Himself into His Creation thus you rule out any supernatural things.
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You are incorrect. I don't rule God in because no one has demonstrated that they know or have the ability to know that their god exist. That includes you.

ElishaElijah said:
Who was there to witness this event? Most are dead, God was there with Noah and his family. They would know.
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What event? The one in the story?
ElishaElijah said:
You’re asking how many animals were on the Ark, you talked like you knew,
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Asking a question is "talking like I know"? What an odd thing for you to say.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Policy said:
Those sentences are incomplete. I cannot parse them.
My point with those questions is that there are a LOT more problems with the flood story than just whether or not the animals would fit. Why do you even raise the question of reality. Just claim that it was all a miracle and be done with it.

That is your problem. Not mine.

You are incorrect. I don't rule God in because no one has demonstrated that they know or have the ability to know that their god exist. That includes you.


What event? The one in the story?

Asking a question is "talking like I know"? What an odd thing for you to say.
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We were talking about the Flood and Noah’s Ark, you really didn’t know what I was talking about? Must be a tough life living like that, afraid to make a spelling or grammar error and stuff.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Policy said:
You are incorrect. I don't rule God in because no one has demonstrated that they know or have the ability to know that their god exist. That includes you.
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I’m not sure anyone can prove God to another person. It’s a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that opens people eyes to see. My responsibility is to share what God has done and shown me in life, continue to fellowship with God like I do now, I don’t see all God has but one day I will. That’s what walking by faith is. You can’t change that. I will say at the end of the day no one can say “ I had no idea, no one told me”.
 
ElishaElijah

ElishaElijah

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Sheldon said:
:rolleyes::facepalm:
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Yeah, if you say there wasn’t enough room on the Ark then you would need to know how many were on it.
I don’t need to know because I already believe God is telling me what happened and although I don’t have the complete manifest, I don’t need that but you do.:cool:
 
ppp

ppp

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ElishaElijah said:
I’m not sure anyone can prove God to another person. It’s a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that opens people eyes to see. My responsibility is to share what God has done and shown me in life, continue to fellowship with God like I do now, I don’t see all God has but one day I will. That’s what walking by faith is. You can’t change that. I will say at the end of the day no one can say “ I had no idea, no one told me”.
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I can certainly say that I had no idea, no one who I could, or should, take the least bit seriously told me.
 
ppp

ppp

Well-Known Member
ElishaElijah said:
We were talking about the Flood and Noah’s Ark, you really didn’t know what I was talking about? Must be a tough life living like that, afraid to make a spelling or grammar error and stuff.
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I am happy to interpolate bad grammar. But yours was not even coherent.
 
ppp

ppp

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ElishaElijah said:
I’m not sure anyone can prove God to another person. It’s a supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that opens people eyes to see. My responsibility is to share what God has done and shown me in life, continue to fellowship with God like I do now, I don’t see all God has but one day I will. That’s what walking by faith is. You can’t change that. I will say at the end of the day no one can say “ I had no idea, no one told me”.
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You cannot share what God has done and shown me in life, until your audience has a reason to believe that you know what the heck you are talking about. At the moment, you appear to just be making crap up.
 
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