Claims vs. Beliefs

[Sheldon]

Then you had the piltdown man fraud… fraud begets fraud.

Exposed by the rigorous methods of science.

So when evolution is looked at critically it’s rejected and exposed.

It has been neither rejected nor exposed, I've just checked every major global news network and there's not one word about this paradigm shifting event. You seem to have lied.

This is how the theory of evolution has gone and still going, repackaged fraud. That’s what I’m seeing here.

Oh dear, another massive porky pie. I doubt you have any interest in an objective look at your beliefs, but you might want to ask yourself, why they are so threatened by objective scientific fact, that it requires this level of dishonesty?

 

[Sheldon]

What’s the deal with this? Old news, is it true they staged the photo’s?
Lying Evolutionary Art, The Peppered Moth

Whilst I'm sure you think that "Way of Life Literature Publisher of Bible Study Materials" is an objective source, to deny scientific facts, I have to say I'm dubious.

 

[Sheldon]

Is this old news that’s been corrected?ERNST HAECKEL EMBRYO DRAWING A FRAUD– STILL USED IN TEXTBOOKS – Evolution is a Myth

Ah another irreproachable source, entitled "evolutionisamyth". Keep these coming please, I haven't laughed this hard for ages.

 

[Sheldon]

Haekel’s fake drawings? Nice try brother at least admit to the fraud

A fraud that was again exposed by the methods of science, you're not getting this are you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Exposed by the rigorous methods of science.



It has been neither rejected nor exposed, I've just checked every major global news network and there's not one word about this paradigm shifting event. You seem to have lied.



A dear, another massive porky pie. I doubt you have any interest in an objective look at your beliefs, but you might want to ask yourself, why they are so threatened by objective scientific fact, that it requires this level of dishonesty?

I will give him the benefit of the doubt. He does not have to lie, he can find endless sources that will lie for him.

 

[Sheldon]

What’s the deal with this? Old news, is it true they staged the photo’s?
Lying Evolutionary Art, The Peppered Moth

Again, whilst I am sure "Bible Study Materials" is an entirely objective source, this book was first published 62 years ago, yet species evolution is still an accepted fact, and the theory of evolution is still an accepted scientific theory in good standing.

Hmm, whatever can this all mean?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A fraud that was again exposed by the methods of science, you're not getting this are you?

Actually Haeckel was not a fraud. Pushed for time he repeated the use of some woodcuts that only an expert would find. He fixed that in later editions. To qualify as fraud he would have to purposely be trying to push a false narrative. He was not doing that.

And he was shown to be wrong by scientists. Close but wrong. Evo-Devo has replaced his recapitulation.

 

[Sheldon]

Do you have any evidence that I am a Christian? If so what evidence do you have?

The delusional way you keep denying scientific facts, and parroting creationist propaganda, are pretty damning evidence.

 

[Sheldon]

There is a good book on biblical hermeneutics by Kevin Connor. The purpose of biblical hermeneutics is to use certain principles to find out what the writer of the scriptures meant by what they wrote. Some things are literal, some things were how they appear for example we say today sunrise and sunset. Would a scientist say sunrise or sunset ? Or would he say good morning the earth just made another rotation? Some things are parables, some allegory. The first thing to understanding is being filled with the Spirit of God.

Hilarious, so it can mean whatever you want, priceless. As is the idea a deity exists with limitless knowledge to create a message and limitless power to communicate it, resorting to cryptic allegory, or even the kind of errant nonsense the bible is filled with.

 

[Sheldon]

Actually Haeckel was not a fraud. Pushed for time he repeated the use of some woodcuts that only an expert would find. He fixed that in later editions. To qualify as fraud he would have to purposely be trying to push a false narrative. He was not doing that.

Wow wow, wait a minute, are you saying "Bible Study Materials publishers" have lied and misrepresented the facts?

Well this is disconcerting news.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The delusional way you keep denying scientific facts, and parroting creationist propaganda, are pretty damning evidence.

If you read his story his fear that his faith is wrong is explained.

Former drug addict "saved" by the Lord sees the evils of his ways. He has a reasonable fear of relapse. Worse yet his cure is based upon a false faith rather than a true knowledge of how drugs ruled him. If his faith fails he could go back, though I do hope that he has learned enough to prevent that from happening.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hilarious, so it can mean whatever you want, priceless. As is the idea a deity exists with limitless knowledge to create a message and limitless power to communicate it, resorting to cryptic allegory, or even the kind of errant nonsense the bible is filled with.

I found a book of his online and linked it. It takes no time at all for that author to fail.

 

[Sheldon]

If you read his story his fear that his faith is wrong is explained.

Former drug addict "saved" by the Lord sees the evils of his ways. He has a reasonable fear of relapse. Worse yet his cure is based upon a false faith rather than a true knowledge of how drugs ruled him. If his faith fails he could go back, though I do hope that he has learned enough to prevent that from happening.

Yes I actually cautioned him against subjecting his beliefs to critical scrutiny in a public debate forum more than once at the very start of our exchanges. Especially if he felt his sobriety was dependant on those beliefs.

Like you I am glad he has turned his life around, and hope he continues to stay sober.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Yes I actually cautioned him against subjecting his beliefs to critical scrutiny in a public debate forum more than once at the very start of our exchanges. Especially if he felt his sobriety was dependant on those beliefs.

Like you I am glad he has turned his life around, and hope he continues to stay sober.

Well now that you’ve made some posts that are in my opinion, wrong and immature. Here is some more information that is great, I owe this to some of you on this thread and thank you for challenging questions which have further cemented and encouraged me in my walk with God and how awesome He is. Made me think back at all the ways God has shown up for me over the years. I found this article that is also great and hope you enjoy.
James M Tour Group » Evolution/Creation

 

[ElishaElijah]

I found a book of his online and linked it. It takes no time at all for that author to fail.

What principles of interpretation did you believe were failures?
Also in case you missed the post of the Scripture and promise God gave me, this is for all my friends that are thinking they are stuck in past sins, there is hope in Jesus Christ. I hope you are encouraged by this Scripture:
“Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:24-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is why I’m not afraid of relapse because God has kept this promise now for the last 35 years!

 

[Subduction Zone]

What principles of interpretation did you believe were failures?
Also in case you missed the post of the Scripture and promise God gave me, this is for all my friends that are thinking they are stuck in past sins, there is hope in Jesus Christ. I hope you are encouraged by this Scripture:
“Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:24-25‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This is why I’m not afraid of relapse because God has kept this promise now for the last 35 years!

When he claimed right at the start that nonbelievers could not understand the magic book.. And yes, you found a verse that you could interpret to apply to yourself. So what? That is not an excuse for you to believe that your God is a liar. Something that you have admitted to many times. It is probably the opposite. True believers are those that will have the absolute worst interpretation of the Bible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well now that you’ve made some posts that are in my opinion, wrong and immature. Here is some more information that is great, I owe this to some of you on this thread and thank you for challenging questions which have further cemented and encouraged me in my walk with God and how awesome He is. Made me think back at all the ways God has shown up for me over the years. I found this article that is also great and hope you enjoy.
James M Tour Group » Evolution/Creation

Oh my!! Not James Tour. He was caught lying so badly in one of those talks that he had to apologize to one of the people that he lied about. You are only impressed by Tour because you have no education in the sciences at all. For those that do understand the sciences he has been shown to be not only wrong, but a liar as well. Here is a video by a chemist that debunked James Tour. This 46 minute video drove Tour over the edge and he made another 14 hours of videos over this one video. As a result He made another two videos each about an hour long refuting all of the responses. He also had guests in the second video, scientists that worked and wrote papers in that field that showed how terribly terribly wrong Tour was in his responses. Tour looked even worse. He wisely shut up:

But if you want to ask specific questions about abiogenesis Iam sure that they can be answered.

Please note. When we make claims we tell you to ask questions, that we will find sources. You could not even spell the last name of your source correctly.

 

[Sheldon]

Well now that you’ve made some posts that are in my opinion, wrong and immature. Here is some more information that is great, I owe this to some of you on this thread and thank you for challenging questions which have further cemented and encouraged me in my walk with God and how awesome He is. Made me think back at all the ways God has shown up for me over the years. I found this article that is also great and hope you enjoy.
James M Tour Group » Evolution/Creation

Well I can't speak for others of course, but I accept what is supported by sufficient objective evidence, so creationist lies won't ever make a compelling objection to scientific facts.

You are however free to believe whatever you wish. I should stay away from medicines though, since medical research is entirely predicated on the biological fact of shared ancestry and species evolution.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Oh my!! Not James Tour. He was caught lying so badly in one of those talks that he had to apologize to one of the people that he lied about. You are only impressed by Tour because you have no education in the sciences at all. For those that do understand the sciences he has been shown to be not only wrong, but a liar as well. Here is a video by a chemist that debunked James Tour. This 46 minute video drove Tour over the edge and he made another 14 hours of videos over this one video. As a result He made another two videos each about an hour long refuting all of the responses. He also had guests in the second video, scientists that worked and wrote papers in that field that showed how terribly terribly wrong Tour was in his responses. Tour looked even worse. He wisely shut up:

But if you want to ask specific questions about abiogenesis Iam sure that they can be answered.

Please note. When we make claims we tell you to ask questions, that we will find sources. You could not even spell the last name of your source correctly.

He is correct if you read his reasons and the article why abiogenesis and evolution as far as natural selection like Darwin suggested isn’t possible. Why? Because many components of life need each other to work, in other words, if you start with a simple organism by itself it cannot work without another to complement it. Like he said it’s a mystery to scientist still.
The only possible explanation is God the Creator.
That’s what I’ve found so far, when looking at the information abiogenesis and evolution don’t hold up to scrutiny and in my opinion impossible.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You are however free to believe whatever you wish. I should stay away from medicines though, since medical research is entirely predicated on the biological fact of shared ancestry and species evolution.

I believe their is common design but no proof whatsoever of a human being coming from evolutionary natural causes. In other words human beings have always been human beings.