Clear prophecy in the Bible about prophet Muhammad

[loverofhumanity]

Whenever I see such sayings of Baha'is, I say to myself, ' O Mojtaba, do not waste your time '.

The English translation is clear and correct. What can I do when Baha'is have translated their sources selectively?

Good luck! Be happy with your isolated knowledge.

Thank you Mojtaba for your well wishes. I enjoy our sharing of views very much. You have been very understanding and patient and tolerant and I praise you for that.

All I can say in reply is I love the Prophet and the Holy Quran with sincerity and Iranians are the most hospitable people I have ever met in my entire life and their manners and customs are very heart warming. And their food is very delicious.

Even though we understand differently I am always happy to read your posts and learn from them.

 

[mojtaba]

G-d forbid to say that G-d doesn't know everything about everyone and that someone could hide from Him. It doesn't mean what you are saying it means and this is obvious.

How does God forbid what Himself has done?

 

[Tumah]

How does God forbid what Himself has done ir?

He didn't. You misunderstood. And "G-d forbid" is the English way to say لا سمح الله

 

[mojtaba]

He didn't. You misunderstood. And "G-d forbid" is the English way to say لا سمح الله

What did I misunderstand?
Those verses which say Adam and Eva hid themselves from God?
Or 'G-d forbid'?

Bible says that Adam and Eve hid themselves from God while He was walking in the garden, doesn't say?

 

[psychoslice]

everything seems clear in your mind when you believe in what you want to believe, its that simple.

 

[mojtaba]

everything seems clear in your mind when you believe in what you want to believe, its that simple.

Reason can help us to avoid from this issue.
Anyway, if you are right, so that this saying of your only seems clear in your mind when you believe in what you want to believe, too!

 

[loverofhumanity]

everything seems clear in your mind when you believe in what you want to believe, its that simple.

Hi psychoslice

 

[psychoslice]

Reason can help us to avoid from this issue.
Anyway, if you are right, so that this saying of your only seems clear in your mind when you believe in what you want to believe, too!

Who knows, and I don't really care.

 

[psychoslice]

Hi psychoslice

Hello to you.

 

[Tumah]

What did I misunderstand?
Those verses which say Adam and Eva hid themselves from God?
Or 'G-d forbid'?

Bible says that Adam and Eve hid themselves from God while He was walking in the garden, doesn't say?

The word מפני can mean "from the face" or it can mean "because of". But it doesn't say that they were successful in their hiding. It also doesn't say that G-d didn't know where they were, it says G-d asked them where they were. And even this is not exact, because the word איכה has two meanings which doesn't transfer to English, "where are you?" and "how could it be?"

This was G-d's way of encouraging them to admit their mistake and repent. He opened up communication so that they would fix the problem on their own. The same thing happens with Cain. G-d asks where is Abel, but Cain doesn't admit that he killed him. Then G-d says, "the blood of your brother is crying out to me". Which proves that G-d knew what was going on all along. He asks only to give the chance to repent before the punishment. And Adam also doesn't act like someone who thinks he fooled G-d, he responds immediately to the question, rather than keeping quiet so that G-d doesn't find him. Then G-d gives him a more leading question, which he fails again. And then he gives Eve a chance and she passes the ball too.

There is no hiding from G-d. It says in Jer. 23:24, "'If a person hides in a hidden place, will I not see him?', testifies G-d, 'Is it not [that] the heaven and the earth, I fill!'

The Torah is called Knowledge. Its not a story book or a history book. If you read it like a simpleton, then you won't understand what is being said. Maybe for the Qur'an you just memorize it and go home because there's nothing deeper than that. But Torah is very, very deep and from the first word, you already need to use intelligence to understand what is being said, or you miss the whole thing.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

That is in the footnote of Bihar Al-Anwar, not in the book itself, that a person has added it to the book without any route of the narrators. It is not in the book itself. See, http://andisheqom.com/public/application/index/printData?c=9822&t=qa
This clearly proves that a person has added the saying of that Sufi whom I mentioned, in the footnote of Bihar Al-Anwar.

Okay, I will read the interpretation of Quran by Abdul Baha who said,
, 'Both convex and concave mirrors focus light in a real point in which the power of burning is more than the fire!( http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/ab/SWA1/swa1-124.html#pg108)[ مانند آفتاب كه در مرآت مسطح تأثیر تام ندارد؛ ولی چون در مرآت مقعر یا در مرآت محدب تجلی نمـاید، جمیع حـرارت در نقطه‌ای جمع شـود و آن نقطه از آتش، حـرقتش بیشتر است] '

Lol! He did not know that convex mirror never focuses the light in a real point, so that it can not creat great heat!

Regardless if it was in foot print or not, it is in Bihar. And in our view fulfills a prophecy regarding the Age differences of the Two Manifestation after Islam.

The Mirror analogy i was talking about, is not the one you found. Its the Sun and its image in the Mirror, which is like God and His Manifestation in the Mirror.
And just because, the anti Bahai site, says the statement of Abdulbaha is wrong, it doesnt mean they are correct. The statement is correct. Just look at Wikipidia about Mirrors. It is unfortunate that people do not want to learn anyting new. They only look to find mistakes.

God bless you

 

[Muffled]

And some Spanish people name their children Jesus but that doesn't mean that they are Jesus.

I believe the context is a golden city which is the New Jerusalem and the desire of all nations would be Jesus the residing king.

 

[Muffled]

I admire the spirit of this poster. We Baha'is agree in principle that Prophet Muhammad was most definitely mentioned and prophesied in the Bible and also prophesied by Jesus Himself.

This is what we understand

“References in the Bible to ‘Mt. Paran’ and ‘Paraclete’ refer to Muhammad's Revelation: Deuteronomy 33:2, Genesis 21:21, Numbers 12:16, Numbers 13:3. Genesis 17:20 refers to the twelve Imáms and in the Revelation of St. John, chapter 11, where it mentions two witnesses, it refers to Muhammad and ‘Alí.”

Excerpt From: Hornby. “Lights of Guidance.” iBooks.

Just out of interest I will quote the one from Genesis 17:20

Genesis 17:20
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Muhammad was a descendant of Ishmael, the twelve princes are the 12 Imams and the great nation is Islam.

I believe I have seen no evidence that any of that is correct.

 

[Muffled]

Apparently even though you can't defend it...
I mean come on, the 12 children that Ishmael is prophecies to have in Gen. 17:20 is a prophecy about the 12 imams? Really? Have you seen Gen. 25:13-15 where it lists 12 children that Ishmael had?

How? I just don't understand this brain twisting that all you people try to do in order to find your religion in our Books.

I believe there are references in the Qu'ran to events in the Bible but I don't believe that is one of them.

 

[Tumah]

I believe there are references in the Qu'ran to events in the Bible but I don't believe that is one of them.

Cool.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I don't know enough about Zoroastrian beliefs to answer that. And I'm also not 100% sure whether there are other requirements as well that would already be inherent in any religion derived from Tanach. I'm also only a layman, and not qualified to conclusively answer such a question, I could only theorize.

But I would think that if there is no worship of anything other than one sole creator god without any worship directed at a physical thing, there is probably room to discuss it.

Well based on this one thing alone it sounds like fire temples may be off limits for Jewish worship because Zoroastrianism developed isolated from Judaism before they encountered one another. There's also the issue of the temple's fire. Zoroastrians view it as a metaphor for God's presence but the priest will still place pieces of wood in the fire - probably as a metaphor for the thoughts & actions of the faithful strengthening God. That might stray a little to close to worship of something other than God for some Jewish tastes. I'm no expert of course, it might be better to post something in the Zoroastrian DIR or look up the religion's Wikipedia section if you're interested in an informed opinion.

 

[Tumah]

Well based on this one thing alone it sounds like fire temples may be off limits for Jewish worship because Zoroastrianism developed isolated from Judaism before they encountered one another. There's also the issue of the temple's fire. Zoroastrians view it as a metaphor for God's presence but the priest will still place pieces of wood in the fire - probably as a metaphor for the thoughts & actions of the faithful strengthening God. That might stray a little to close to worship of something other than God for some Jewish tastes. I'm no expert of course, it might be better to post something in the Zoroastrian DIR or look up the religion's Wikipedia section if you're interested in an informed opinion.

Well, I don't think the application of the law is dependent on when the religions began to interact with each other. Its not really a list of religions as much as guidelines for determining what religions' places of worship are acceptable and what not. I'm only unsure as to how far those guidelines extend: is simple clear-cut belief in one Creator-G-d enough, or is there some minimum number of aspects or events that need to be congruous with Judaism in order to identify them as the same G-d? I just don't know. Its not a question that comes up to often, so its harder to find an answer.

 

[Augustus]

Well based on this one thing alone it sounds like fire temples may be off limits for Jewish worship because Zoroastrianism developed isolated from Judaism before they encountered one another. There's also the issue of the temple's fire. Zoroastrians view it as a metaphor for God's presence but the priest will still place pieces of wood in the fire - probably as a metaphor for the thoughts & actions of the faithful strengthening God. That might stray a little to close to worship of something other than God for some Jewish tastes. I'm no expert of course, it might be better to post something in the Zoroastrian DIR or look up the religion's Wikipedia section if you're interested in an informed opinion.

Does Zoroastrianism not contain aspects of dualism though? As such it is not strictly monotheistic in the Jewish sense (not that I'm an expert on either religion though).

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Does Zoroastrianism not contain aspects of dualism though? As such it is not strictly monotheistic in the Jewish sense (not that I'm an expert on either religion though).

It's monotheistic in that only Ahura Mazda is worthy of worship and that it disavows other gods. The more literal-minded Zoroastrians believe Ahriman to have existed as long as Ahura Mazda but that doesn't make him a god, nor does it make him worthy of worship.

 

[Augustus]

It's monotheistic in that only Ahura Mazda is worthy of worship and that it disavows other gods. The more literal-minded Zoroastrians believe Ahriman to have existed as long as Ahura Mazda but that doesn't make him a god, nor does it make him worthy of worship.

I'm not suggesting that there are 2 gods worthy of worship, just that an eternally existing evil that exists outside of Ahura Mazda's creation would (perhaps) not meet a pure definition of monotheism from certain religious perspectives.

It's a bit technical for my paltry level of knowledge though, so I'm not going to pretend I have a great understanding of what differentiates dualism from monotheism.

@Tumah how is the existence of 'evil' viewed in Judaism? Is it possible for anything to exist outside of that which was created by God?