Climate Change Hypocrisy

[Left Coast]

I don’t understand why the Bloomberg article is behind a paywall, as it wasn’t when I read it. Here is another with the same information.
Wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, so they’re piling up in landfills

Thanks! Sometimes those services give you a certain number of free articles and then make you pay.

Possibly the issue of dealing with wind turbine blades can be overcome. I ‘m just pointing out that alternative energy can also have negative consequences that must be considered and addressed.

Sure, and from the article you shared it sounds like solutions are already being developed. There is no such thing as a perfect solution in the real world, especially with complex problems like energy generation for billions of people. My point is that the larger, 30K foot picture is that we need to overcome those smaller, short term hurdles to address the larger problem we both agree needs addressing.

 

[Secret Chief]

I did not get the headline. My OP was titled “ Climate Change Hypocrisy “ . The U.N commissioned report shows their stance on how diet can impact the climate, while the linked video demonstrates the attitude of hypocrisy so many who claim to be concerned about the issue of climate actually live by.

Ok, the headline of the link in your OP. I'll happily concede the hypocrisy since Boris Johnson is in attendance. But the messages are real; and pro good should not be deflected by anti perfect.

 

[InChrist]

Ok, the headline of the link in your OP. I'll happily concede the hypocrisy since Boris Johnson is in attendance. But the messages are real; and pro good should not be deflected by anti perfect.

I agree that necessary steps to protect and take care of the planet should not be deflected by the imperfect, nor even the hypocrites. That was not my point in creating the thread about the hypocrisy. I think my concern is that these people who have the power to zip around the world on private jets claiming to be dealing with climate change issues, are the same people who are in the position and have the power to impose their rules on everyone. The hypocrisy of their actions compared to their words causes me to question whether the restrictions they come up with and impose upon everyone will actually be to benefit the environment or rather their own power and profit.

 

[sayak83]

I agree that necessary steps to protect and take care of the planet should not be deflected by the imperfect, nor even the hypocrites. That was not my point in creating the thread about the hypocrisy. I think my concern is that these people who have the power to zip around the world on private jets claiming to be dealing with climate change issues, are the same people who are in the position and have the power to impose their rules on everyone. The hypocrisy of their actions compared to their words causes me to question whether the restrictions they come up with and impose upon everyone will actually be to benefit the environment or rather their own power and profit.

Actually the leaders do not come up with anything at all. It's the policy makers and think tanks from various govt. and organizations who develop and create the recommemdations which are then adopted or rejected by the leaders. The leaders do not have the expertise or competence to come up with such things.

 

[InChrist]

That might help a little, but not that much. I do not think that such an action would make much of a difference. And there are many places where it is not possible. Areas of high population density will always need food shipped in.

I understand that urban, city areas need food shipped in, but must it be from places like China or other distant locations? Did you know that almost all frozen fish sold in the US and Britain is frozen and packaged in China or Indonesia and then sent back to the US or Britain, even though the fish was caught locally?
It seems to me that creating local, regenerate farms, processing and manufacturing plants even in outlying areas closer to cities would have a big impact, rather than shipping products from the other side of the world.

A Tale of a Fish from Two Countries


Frozen fish sent on 10,000-mile round trip to reach supermarket shelves

Then there’s reforestation and wholistic land management and grazing which could be encouraged.
Allan Savory: How Can Deserts Turn Into Grasslands?

The problem I see is that many of the positive steps that can be taken are localized, but that isn’t what the oligarchy elites really want is it? It doesn’t fit their globalist, corporatist profit-making plan.

 

[rational experiences]

If humans first just say human first then maybe title and label self idolisation would be removed.

The teaching for humans the conscious human problem.

One of the destroyer behaviours of humans.

So if you can't get over your self idolised status then humans have no hope for any family human future on earth.

Is a pretty basic human warning.

 

[InChrist]

Actually the leaders do not come up with anything at all. It's the policy makers and think tanks from various govt. and organizations who develop and create the recommemdations which are then adopted or rejected by the leaders. The leaders do not have the expertise or competence to come up with such things.

Okay, that makes sense. I agree that the leaders likely don’t have the expertise. So how sure are you that those with the expertise aren’t financially compromised by corporate interests when they make their recommendations? Just wondering.

 

[rational experiences]

Men in science as spiritual men who love life and family as Nurturers.

Always gave forth theories about earths O planet mechanics like think how to use volcanoes...
Wind....
Solar.....
Water power to turbine....
Thermal steam...
Etc as ideas of natural life support.

Even if just achieved in small ways by communities theirselves.

Who did not own an incentive let me get rich and be the richest man. The strive of all rich men.

So we know how you dealt with spiritual ideas of supporting nature balances. Greedy men's purpose to have us all destroyed.

Which was already a known learnt human false behaviour.

Good ideas. Rational ideas. Real. The human ended up murdered. Was and is the actual God teachings.

As it discussed human irrational behaviour towards the spiritual man's advice. You murder them.

So irrational man destroyer life and minds could succeed.

Pretty basic known taught human advice.

How are you suddenly going to deal with their bad behaviours?

As rationally they own the position of fear mongering amongst humanity whilst they feel quite safe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I understand that urban, city areas need food shipped in, but must it be from places like China or other distant locations? Did you know that almost all frozen fish sold in the US and Britain is frozen and packaged in China or Indonesia and then sent back to the US or Britain, even though the fish was caught locally?
It seems to me that creating local, regenerate farms, processing and manufacturing plants even in outlying areas closer to cities would have a big impact, rather than shipping products from the other side of the world.

A Tale of a Fish from Two Countries


Frozen fish sent on 10,000-mile round trip to reach supermarket shelves

Then there’s reforestation and wholistic land management and grazing which could be encouraged.
Allan Savory: How Can Deserts Turn Into Grasslands?

The problem I see is that many of the positive steps that can be taken are localized, but that isn’t what the oligarchy elites really want is it? It doesn’t fit their globalist, corporatist profit-making plan.

That all boils down to economics. Chinese workers will do the same work for far less money. It is not a matter of skill, it is a matter of how much fish a person can process for the lowest price.

There is a cure, but hardly anyone wants to use it. Carbon taxes. If they taxed such foods based on how many fossil fuels are burned in getting them to the market place it might raise the price enough so that local workers could compete. Encouraging does not good if the price of a product is significantly cheaper from another source.

Where I live it is a mixed bad. We still have a lot of fish processing plants on the west coast, but I can see some goods that are definitely coming from China. It is packaged differently. Far more plastic, which is another cause of pollution.

 

[InChrist]

That all boils down to economics. Chinese workers will do the same work for far less money. It is not a matter of skill, it is a matter of how much fish a person can process for the lowest price.

There is a cure, but hardly anyone wants to use it. Carbon taxes. If they taxed such foods based on how many fossil fuels are burned in getting them to the market place it might raise the price enough so that local workers could compete. Encouraging does not good if the price of a product is significantly cheaper from another source.

Where I live it is a mixed bad. We still have a lot of fish processing plants on the west coast, but I can see some goods that are definitely coming from China. It is packaged differently. Far more plastic, which is another cause of pollution.

Yes, I realize it’s about economics. I also know the reality is there’s not much I can do about corruption in government or corporate control and market manipulation. At least I can buy as local as possible. Fortunately, we have a neighbor up the road whose had his own fishing boat since age 16 and is part of a fisherman’s co-op in Alaska every summer. He brings fresh- frozen wild caught fish back every year. There are also several local small farmers and craftspeople in the area to support.
Have a good night.

 

[rational experiences]

The cure. The saviour. Ice.

Reasoning says spaces owns whatever the atmosphere is changing as. Or into. Highest law.

Any form.
Any description.
Any reaction.

De script. Description word used.

A script a human says is healing medical in an AI terminology. Similar.

De to remove gods script known that was written etched in the stone sealed cooled.

Never change the stone script a science teaching.

Ice filled in missing pressure removed from stone as the script stone and applied extreme cold.

So ice holds the script sealed was earths God stone science teaching.

Never change earths radiation or you get dusts and ashes returned.

So man has taken two earth burnt products sealed by water owned cooled by ice and burnt them both as mass.

Gods flesh.

If you change gods flesh the warning life on earth will be consumed by its destroyer.

Sun mass. Held as asteroids.

Earth teaching never change earths heavens radiation levels.. as it activated passing asteroids in earths paths to re ignite.

Russia witnessed the end of Satan star returned. 1000 year ago shroud evidence. Forest flattened wood sacrificed. Holy tree of life.

If you bare naked the ground by forest holy tree removal earth will increase the desert body. A warning. Trees helped the mud of the earth not to become the baked clay of the earth.

Science was taught already.

Science nuclear one power plant reactivated burning star fall of Satan. AI effect.

Build up of carbon particles mass that should naturally fall into the deep pit of space as a cosmic function. Atmosphere accumulate.

It was never cows farting it was devils triangle and sea releasing Methane as it had in Jerusalem area historic advised. Atmospheric gas change. Known.

Why humans named America sea and Japan sea worst release. Devil.

Father's advice owns no argument. Shut off nuclear plants. Dismantle haarp. Lessen satellite status. Transmitting holding unnatural amounts radio radiation communicators.

Let earth shift it's mass into a colder space position naturally as it does by sun conditions voiding dropping into deeper space... so the asteroids cannot stream particle losses into our atmosphere. The ancient known cease choice of pyramid temple science.

Reasoning.... if the earth voiding cannot actively remove asteroid carbon mass we know it can ignite by gas burning. Stephen Hawking earth warning.

Allowing earths holy womb vacuum to actively function was already a human science known teaching. Holy mother.

Father's conscious spirit advice is human man's over consciousness via human man's lived life experience. Shared biological details. Voiced.

A true human aware heard and known status. Self guidance and assistance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I realize it’s about economics. I also know the reality is there’s not much I can do about corruption in government or corporate control and market manipulation. At least I can buy as local as possible. Fortunately, we have a neighbor up the road whose had his own fishing boat since age 16 and is part of a fisherman’s co-op in Alaska every summer. He brings fresh- frozen wild caught fish back every year. There are also several local small farmers and craftspeople in the area to support.
Have a good night.

I seriously do not think that this is a case of corruption by the government. The government can urge people to buy local until their faces turn blue. It won't do any good if the same product is available for half the price if it comes from China.

It is not market manipulation. It is just China emerging and becoming a First World Country. Don't worry, the same thing happened with Japan after WWII. They found that for a while they could make products that were more reliable and cheaper than other countries could and they wrecked havoc with their car and electronic industries. Eventually things even out. But China is so big that it may take a while.

 

[rational experiences]

I seriously do not think that this is a case of corruption by the government. The government can urge people to buy local until their faces turn blue. It won't do any good if the same product is available for half the price if it comes from China.

It is not market manipulation. It is just China emerging and becoming a First World Country. Don't worry, the same thing happened with Japan after WWII. They found that for a while they could make products that were more reliable and cheaper than other countries could and they wrecked havoc with their car and electronic industries. Eventually things even out. But China is so big that it may take a while.

See blue ice photos. Balance blue sky.

The Mayan warning said the blue changed was no longer natural blue balanced colour.

 

[sayak83]

Okay, that makes sense. I agree that the leaders likely don’t have the expertise. So how sure are you that those with the expertise aren’t financially compromised by corporate interests when they make their recommendations? Just wondering.

Usually the corporate interests are more aligned with the existing fossil fuel based energy giants. So usually what happens is that the policies recommended by science and policy experts get watered down due to oil and gas corporate lobbying (for all countries)

 

[sayak83]

Okay, that makes sense. I agree that the leaders likely don’t have the expertise. So how sure are you that those with the expertise aren’t financially compromised by corporate interests when they make their recommendations? Just wondering.

Note the global list of top 10 companies in 2020 (Fortune 10) and see how many are oil, gas, energy.
Fortune Global 500 - Wikipedia
Fortune Global 500 list of 2020
Rank Company Country Industry Revenue in USD
1 Walmart

United States Retail $524 billion
2 Sinopec Group

China Petroleum $407 billion
3 State Grid

China Energy $384 billion
4 China National Petroleum

China Petroleum $379 billion
5 Royal Dutch Shell

Netherlands /

United Kingdom Petroleum $352 billion
6 Saudi Aramco

Saudi Arabia Energy $330 billion
7 Volkswagen

Germany Automobiles $283 billion
8 BP

United Kingdom Petroleum $283 billion
9 Amazon.com

United States Internet Services and Retailing $281 billion
10 Toyota Motor

Japan Automobiles $275 billion

So which way do you think corporate lobbying is heavier?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am not missing the point. Nor do I deny that the climate changes or that humans abuse the planet. But the fact is that if the elites who seek to impose restrictions on everyone else while they carry on with their humongous carbon footprints, will not help with the issue. The impact of the average person is minuscule compared to the globalists, the corporate entities they control and the damage they are creating. Obviously, they don’t truly believe their own fear-mongering narrative about climate change, if they can’t even live according to what they’re saying.

OR, they know climate change is happening but think their money will save them (which it just might) when the s*** really hits the fan.

 

[Kooky]

I understand that urban, city areas need food shipped in, but must it be from places like China or other distant locations? Did you know that almost all frozen fish sold in the US and Britain is frozen and packaged in China or Indonesia and then sent back to the US or Britain, even though the fish was caught locally?
It seems to me that creating local, regenerate farms, processing and manufacturing plants even in outlying areas closer to cities would have a big impact, rather than shipping products from the other side of the world.

A Tale of a Fish from Two Countries


Frozen fish sent on 10,000-mile round trip to reach supermarket shelves

Then there’s reforestation and wholistic land management and grazing which could be encouraged.
Allan Savory: How Can Deserts Turn Into Grasslands?

The problem I see is that many of the positive steps that can be taken are localized, but that isn’t what the oligarchy elites really want is it? It doesn’t fit their globalist, corporatist profit-making plan.

What you complain about has very little to do with what elected officials can shape, and is to a large part predicated on market mechanisms that make these practices the more profitable and more economically efficient solution.

It's fine and good to grow vegetables in one's own garden or raise one's own field crops, but that is not feasible for the majority of people, who don't have gardens or crop fields and wouldn't have the necessary wealth to acquire that kind of property even if they had the chance. Most of us are dependent on the market based distribution of food and other necessary goods and services, which means being dependent on the kind of globalized, industrial scale agriculture that you decry (and for good reason!) and the long logistic rat tail that comes with it.

We are in a situation where we are very much forced to hammer the square peg of profit-seeking industrial capitalism into the round hole of environmentally sustainable economies.

It is a task akin to squaring a circle; however, completely abandoning our entire economic system would be not only a momentous challenge, it would also go against the entire power structure we've been living under for the past two centuries, and pit the most powerful and influential organizations of our planet directly against our goal of saving ourselves from destructive climate change.

We're stretched thin as is when it comes to fighting environmental damage, I don't think we can afford to expend the energy to pit ourselves against the totality of global capitalism at this point, as much as I would like that struggle to happen.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

OR, they know climate change is happening but think their money will save them (which it just might) when the s*** really hits the fan.

Agree. With money, you can always move if your area is becoming uninhabitable, and you can always find water. The ones who will be most affected are the poor and the wildlife, followed by the middle classes, and least, the wealthy.

I read an interesting speculation a couple of years back wondering if the ignoring of warnings was only short-sighted greed, or something more, the argument being that even these people have grandchildren and that it was difficult to understand why that didn't matter to them. It was wondered whether there might be a motive to allow this to happen deliberately, not too difficult to imagine in a world that so many seem to want to destroy. Who would benefit and how?

We can ask the same about organized COVID vaccine disinformation - does anyone benefit from that? If so, one needs to consider malice as well as stupidity in that arena as well. They say to not attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, but there is so much malice in the world now, it's reasonable to consider.

It was suggested that climate change would impact emerging nations like Mexico and India harder than the first world Western democracies, which are threatening to assume a prominent role on the world stage and challenge more mature economies, and that this might be an incentive to promote global catastrophe.

Or, somebody might see this as a way to thin the herd - instant population control in a world where increasing numbers of people competing for a finite number of resources will lead to political instability on a global scale.

Whether there is any merit to either of those ideas is difficult to judge. Or whether this is deliberate or just poor planning. I'm not sure that it matters except that in the case of the former, the expected damage would be greater. But in either case, the wealthy will have it better, and might not see global chaos and suffering as a negative.

 

[metis]

The recent COP26 UN Climate Conference in Glasgow, Scotland was another display of hypocrisy by the elites who want to tell everyone what they must do, but of course they will always be above following such limitations.


Cop26 Globalists Enjoy Meat While Telling You to Eat Bugs

And you really believe that, especially with all that we've seen with the VERY obvious effects of climate change? Even our own DoD, NOAA, NASA, and NIS has soundly agreed this is real and very dangerous for our entire planet and people living within it.

Recommendation: Go with the scientists that have been studying this for many decades, not the right-wing politicians that many have invested in fossil fuels.

 

[InChrist]

Usually the corporate interests are more aligned with the existing fossil fuel based energy giants. So usually what happens is that the policies recommended by science and policy experts get watered down due to oil and gas corporate lobbying (for all countries)

Yes, I realize that at this point the major lobbying has been to advance the interest of the oil and gas corporations. My concern though, is that the same lobbying tactics will take place with alternative energy by the same investors who just switch or expand their corporate interests and wealth at the expense of the lower and middle classes around the world.

For example: do you own a home? What if new green requirements are enacted by governments partnering with “green” corporations and you must revamp your entire home to have it quality in meeting these standards, in order to have home insurance? What if you can’t afford to do this and you lose your insurance and maybe your home. What if you and lots of other average people have to sell their homes to multinational investment corporations that buy up properties? These huge corporate entities can afford to pay for costs of green energy upgrades, but what about all the people who can’t.