Climate vulnerable in the Global South demand COP26 action

[Truthseeker]

I will let the article speak about the article speak for itself.

Climate vulnerable in the Global South demand COP26 action

I'll add this too. To me this seems too vague.

China and US announce deal to boost cooperation on climate change

This one too, which indicates that there are problems at Cop26

COP26 draft text calls for tougher emissions pledges by 2022

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is this for actual help or is just a plea for money?

I think we should help but don't send cash into yet another black hole never to be seen again.

 

[Kooky]

I think we should help but don't send cash into yet another black hole never to be seen again.

The US could probably free a couple of billions by cutting back their flying murder robot budget.

 

[Nakosis]

 

[exchemist]

I will let the article speak about the article speak for itself.

Climate vulnerable in the Global South demand COP26 action

I'll add this too. To me this seems too vague.

China and US announce deal to boost cooperation on climate change

This one too, which indicates that there are problems at Cop26

COP26 draft text calls for tougher emissions pledges by 2022

My God, I had no idea 6 million Bangladeshis have already had to move. It's really on us now!

Re the problems, it's when it comes to money that it all gets difficult. It would be naive to expect otherwise. But at least the principle is now accepted that the rich North, that has grown rich by using fossil fuel to drive its industrialisation, needs to transfer funds or assets to the poor South, so that it does not have to follow a fossil fuel path in its own development, and to help mitigate some of the consequences of climate change that are already baked in. Now the haggling is how much, from whom and on what terms. This is unprecedented in the history of nations.

 

[exchemist]

Is this for actual help or is just a plea for money?

I think we should help but don't send cash into yet another black hole never to be seen again.

You would be right to demand that there are conditions attached to ensure funds do not disappear into the pockets of corrupt regimes. Where feasible it might be better to transfer wealth in the form of energy, flood mitigation and other projects, rather than just $$$$, so as to keep tabs on where it goes.

 

[Nakosis]

One thing I've learned is that tossing money at a problem is not a solution. Money is not food, money is not logistical or medical support.

Even if the money does end up going towards these things that doesn't mean it will be done in an effect way.

We need to invest in science to develop drought resistant crops. To find alternative sources of energy. To find a means to directly remove excess carbon from the air.

It is pretty arrogant I think to believe a commitment of money is any kind of solution. We need to send a plan to deal with climate change. What government can do is support the science.

 

[Nimos]

My God, I had no idea 6 million Bangladeshis have already had to move. It's really on us now!

Re the problems, it's when it comes to money that it all gets difficult. It would be naive to expect otherwise. But at least the principle is now accepted that the rich North, that has grown rich by using fossil fuel to drive its industrialisation, needs to transfer funds or assets to the poor South, so that it does not have to follow a fossil fuel path in its own development, and to help mitigate some of the consequences of climate change that are already baked in. Now the haggling is how much, from whom and on what terms. This is unprecedented in the history of nations.

A lot of wise people believe that climate refugees are going to be the biggest issue we are going to face next. And I think they might be right, just look at how poorly the refugees from Syria etc. have been handled. Can only imagine how it is going to turn out, when its not only a few countries but a lot that are having issues and the refugees starts to really get moving.

 

[exchemist]

A lot of wise people believe that climate refugees are going to be the biggest issue we are going to face next. And I think they might be right, just look at how poorly the refugees from Syria etc. have been handled. Can only imagine how it is going to turn out, when its not only a few countries but a lot that are having issues and the refugees starts to really get moving.

Absolutely. There will be wars over land and resources, which could dwarf in human and material costs the problems of flooding, storms etc.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You would be right to demand that there are conditions attached to ensure funds do not disappear into the pockets of corrupt regimes. Where feasible it might be better to transfer wealth in the form of energy, flood mitigation and other projects, rather than just $$$$, so as to keep tabs on where it goes.

Yep. Bingo!

 

[exchemist]

One thing I've learned is that tossing money at a problem is not a solution. Money is not food, money is not logistical or medical support.

Even if the money does end up going towards these things that doesn't mean it will be done in an effect way.

We need to invest in science to develop drought resistant crops. To find alternative sources of energy. To find a means to directly remove excess carbon from the air.

It is pretty arrogant I think to believe a commitment of money is any kind of solution. We need to send a plan to deal with climate change. What government can do is support the science.

Yes, but the rich countries will also need to support the poor ones, or they will not agree to forego the use of the fossil fuels that have made the rich countries rich. That has to be part of the overall deal.

But , as per my exchange with @Twilight Hue , shovelling money at them is a recipe for waste and corruption, so some intelligence and supervision in how it is done will be essential.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The US could probably free a couple of billions by cutting back their flying murder robot budget.

It's just when these types of things get discussed, money gets transferred, and nothing is heard of ever again.

Tangibility would ensure that the intended purpose would not go into other 'unexpected' ventures.

Like flying murder machines.

 

[Twilight Hue]

One thing I've learned is that tossing money at a problem is not a solution. Money is not food, money is not logistical or medical support.

Even if the money does end up going towards these things that doesn't mean it will be done in an effect way.

We need to invest in science to develop drought resistant crops. To find alternative sources of energy. To find a means to directly remove excess carbon from the air.

It is pretty arrogant I think to believe a commitment of money is any kind of solution. We need to send a plan to deal with climate change. What government can do is support the science.

I think most people want tangibility following after the money. I think that would solve many things and even encourage more funding as long as it's intended results manifest.

 

[Nakosis]

I think most people want tangibility following after the money. I think that would solve many things and even encourage more funding as long as it's intended results manifest.

I suspect any attempt to follow the money would get lost in the politics.

Besides money is not a solution.

 

[Shaul]

Climate change alarmists are liars. This is nothing but a shake down. Screw them. Not one penny for this sham.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Climate change alarmists are liars. This is nothing but a shake down. Screw them. Not one penny for this sham.

I tend to think realistically, it's take the money and run.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Climate change alarmists are liars. This is nothing but a shake down. Screw them. Not one penny for this sham.

You don't believe the climate is changing?

 

[Truthseeker]

Greta Thunberg is a hero of mine, but one thing she doesn't understand is how there may be some world leaders who want to help more, but are restrained by the realities of their political situation. It doesn't help to mock them so much in this speech.

Still, voices like Greta Thunberg need to be heard in this world. She's done so much to bring the attention of the world to climate change. Like me, she's on the autism spectrum, identifying her herself as having Asperger's, calling it her "superpower".

 

[Truthseeker]

The US could probably free a couple of billions by cutting back their flying murder robot budget.

There's quite a lot to be said for the bloated US military budget being spent for more useful things like helping these countries out to mitigate climate change. The same is true for other "developed" countries, though they spend a lot less on the military than the US does.

A big problem has been that all of this is voluntary, with no world organization to really - what's the word - get them commit to it and make it stick. That's true of committing to helping "developing" nations and also committing to limit their greenhouse gases.

 

[Truthseeker]

My God, I had no idea 6 million Bangladeshis have already had to move. It's really on us now!

Re the problems, it's when it comes to money that it all gets difficult. It would be naive to expect otherwise. But at least the principle is now accepted that the rich North, that has grown rich by using fossil fuel to drive its industrialisation, needs to transfer funds or assets to the poor South, so that it does not have to follow a fossil fuel path in its own development, and to help mitigate some of the consequences of climate change that are already baked in. Now the haggling is how much, from whom and on what terms. This is unprecedented in the history of nations.

We also need to have it not be voluntary and have a commitment to it. They pledged $100 billion dollars, but there was no commitment to it.