What an intellectually and ethically vapid comment.
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Clinton: Half of Trump supporters are in 'basket of deplorables'
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buddhist
Well-Known Member
Then why write it?
tytlyf
Not Religious
But we're not talking about lying now are we?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
As much as I may have to vote for Hillary to try and keep Trump from destroying America, her statement was idiotic for a couple of reasons. One is that insulting voters for Trump is certainly not going to give them inclination to switch and vote for her. Secondly, the one thing she had going for her was that she wasn't as bigoted and nasty as Trump, but with a statement like this, she looks almost as low as he. She should take the more sane and compassionate approach, but this certainly wasn't it.
In case it hasn't been posted yet.....
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html
To her credit, Hilda regrets her meta-bigotry.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-basket-of-deplorables/index.html
To her credit, Hilda regrets her meta-bigotry.
Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
I didn't only say lying now did I?
Did she really believe what she originally said?
In a campaign especially, I have doubts.
Parchment
Active Member
Are you implying that she was just playing to the emotions of her target audience at the LGBT fundraiser with simplistic buzzwords to sway the crowd? Only Trump and Hitler would do something like that according to some.
You conflate bigotry and 'nastiness' and then suggest the appearance of a moral equivalency between Clinton and Trump. Seriously?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You are not reading what I wrote correctly. I did not conflate the two terms nor did I use any false equivalency (notice the words "looks" and "almost").
tytlyf
Not Religious
Rmoney was insulting conservatives and progressives. He's a republican insider anyways, stop voting establishment if you want things to change.
The sound you hear in the background is Freud chuckling in his grave.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
We get what we deserve.
These candidates are pandering to US citizens, to achieve the vote of the lowest common denominator.
If that idiot voter represented 5% of the electorate, no one would care.
But it's probably more like half (no evidence of this, but I have a lot of personal experience as a US citizen and high school teacher).
Trump's been feeding on that idiot electorate since the beginning of his campaign. Alas, the writing's on the wall for Clinton, and her campaign needs to begin the same process. . . It is sad, but sticking to your gun on principal only gets you elected in the movies.
These candidates are pandering to US citizens, to achieve the vote of the lowest common denominator.
If that idiot voter represented 5% of the electorate, no one would care.
But it's probably more like half (no evidence of this, but I have a lot of personal experience as a US citizen and high school teacher).
Trump's been feeding on that idiot electorate since the beginning of his campaign. Alas, the writing's on the wall for Clinton, and her campaign needs to begin the same process. . . It is sad, but sticking to your gun on principal only gets you elected in the movies.
To me, that's the main take away from OP (video).
Politically, I wish she stuck to the message in OP, as it would most certainly be political suicide, even if she wins (perhaps especially if she wins).
But the political reality of this cycle is the type of stuff that was said before in election cycles, like what Romney said in 2012 (behind closed doors mind you) can cost you an election. But not in this cycle. You can now say all sorts of stuff in the open, as witnessed by viewing a Clinton or Trump speech and there will be so much spin by supporters as 'not really that bad.' Opposition can bring it up all they want, but it ought to be obvious by now that even if both these candidates were on video committing murder, that might not cost them the election. It arguably might, but then again, it might not. So, everything short of murder, and opposition is just whining. If they whine about it for more than 2 days, then it must be obvious that their candidate is slipping in the polls.
Heck, as OP (author) of this thread is showing, the attacks aren't going far enough.
I'd like to believe it is political suicide, and pretty sure it will be, but that might not be realized until post election. Unfortunately, if it isn't actually political suicide for the candidate, then it is plausibly political suicide for the country, but I'd really like to believe that the country is greater than the politics these two are bringing to the table, regardless of their (so called) supporters. Literally seems over half of each side is simply voting to keep the other person ought of office, and does see their own candidate as having some noticeable flaws. But shhhhhhhhh, don't let the die hard supporters hear you talking about noticeable flaws, cause dem fighting words!
Though I am curious if there is some argument being made that these so called (millions) of deplorables never once voted in the last 50 years until this election? I'm thinking they did, and if yes, they'll likely be able to make the deplorable group much bigger the next time around, regardless of outcome of this election. To me, it's like if Putin or Bin Laden called a percentage of Americans deplorable. I'm thinking many Americans would wish to 'stand united' and wear that as a badge of honor, especially as regulator types (that likely favor Clinton) are around 5000 times more deplorable than whatever Hillary is prattling on about. How is a regulator type redeemable?
Kartari
Active Member
Hi bobhikes,
She might have been better off not commenting on this, and her claim "half" might not be accurate. But had she stated "significant" rather than "half," truth be told she'd be absolutely right. Frankly, with the disgusting filth and blatant deceit which comes out of Trump's mouth on a seemingly daily basis, there's no comparison.
Any rational person who has been paying at least some attention to the many instances of blatant bigotry, mediocre con artistry, and sheer stupidity coming out of that self-aggrandizing attention whore's mouth must conclude as Clinton has stated, albeit with a better word choice being "significant." Unfortunately, it seems to me that half the U.S. populace ingests the Republican Propaganda Department's (a.k.a. Fox News) perpetual spin on matters, mistaking its factoids for facts, and has thereby become far more fascinated with damning conspiracy theories about Clinton, thereby channeling their energy into hatred for her instead of paying attention to how far more horrible Trump really is.
She might have been better off not commenting on this, and her claim "half" might not be accurate. But had she stated "significant" rather than "half," truth be told she'd be absolutely right. Frankly, with the disgusting filth and blatant deceit which comes out of Trump's mouth on a seemingly daily basis, there's no comparison.
Any rational person who has been paying at least some attention to the many instances of blatant bigotry, mediocre con artistry, and sheer stupidity coming out of that self-aggrandizing attention whore's mouth must conclude as Clinton has stated, albeit with a better word choice being "significant." Unfortunately, it seems to me that half the U.S. populace ingests the Republican Propaganda Department's (a.k.a. Fox News) perpetual spin on matters, mistaking its factoids for facts, and has thereby become far more fascinated with damning conspiracy theories about Clinton, thereby channeling their energy into hatred for her instead of paying attention to how far more horrible Trump really is.
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Kartari
Active Member
Hi metis,
I agree it was not the best tactic to state what she did. However, though it may appear otherwise to Trump's supporters, this blunder of hers is not at all imo comparable to the perpetual stream of raw sewage seeping forth from Trump's mouth.
I agree it was not the best tactic to state what she did. However, though it may appear otherwise to Trump's supporters, this blunder of hers is not at all imo comparable to the perpetual stream of raw sewage seeping forth from Trump's mouth.
Scott C.
Just one guy
I believe Obama was born in the U.S. and is a Christian. It may not be reasonable to believe otherwise, but why is it deplorable?
I really do hope she continues on this trajectory. Please, for the love of all that is liberal and sacred, please Mrs. Clinton, continue talking about some Americans as deplorable. Some of us on the Right will thank you every day for doing so. And will play the world's smallest violin while your political career takes a nosedive.