COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[Rival]

I believe and follow God's Word. I do not have the problem. What have I posted that is not true? You no longer believe in Christ, your not a Chrsitian, as you denounced your faith, this is a new testament OP that you have already stated you have no interest in. What is it that I have posted that is not the truth?

You can believe whatever you want, but your continued refusal to accept anyone else's point of view even for a debate is the problem. Someone comes to you with a point and you just shut them down with 'No you're wrong, you're wrong!' and again tell them they're ignorant, in error and all the other phrases you've adopted to call anyone who disagrees with you, instead of acknowledging their points at all. No-one is going to want to debate you until you take a step down and stop calling them ignorant and in error, and instead actually speak to them.

 

[3rdAngel]

You can believe whatever you want, but your continued refusal to accept anyone else's point of view even for a debate is the problem. Someone comes to you with a point and you just shut them down with 'No you're wrong, you're wrong!' and again tell them they're ignorant, in error and all the other phrases you've adopted to call anyone who disagrees with you, instead of acknowledging their points at all. No-one is going to want to debate you until you take a step down and stop calling them ignorant and in error, and instead actually speak to them.

Why would I need to accept anyone's point of view if it is against God's Word? To do so is to put the words of men over the Word of God. Our words do not really matter. I do not tell people they are wrong with my words but only provide God's Word. If God's Word shows why someone is in error than it is God's Word not mine. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29.

 

[Rival]

Why would I need to accept anyone's point of view if it is against God's Word? Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29. Our words do not really matter.

...Again, this is the problem. Just telling people they're wrong and you're right is not a debating technique.

 

[3rdAngel]

...Again, this is the problem. Just telling people they're wrong and you're right is not a debating technique.

Again you making up claims that are not true. All through this thread I have only provided Gods' Word which is not mine but God's to show why I believe someone may be in error for the statements they make. Please do not pretend that I haven't as that would simply be dishonest.

 

[Rival]

That is not what I have done so please do not pretend that I have. All through this thread I have only provided Gods' Word which is not mine but God's. Please do not pretend that I haven't as that would be dishonest.

You can give scriptures til the day you die and people are going to interpret them differently to you. What you've been doing throughout this thread is insisting your interpretation is the only correct one and telling anyone who disagrees that they are in error and ignorance. It's not enough for you to insist that Christianity is the one true religion, but that only your brand of Christianity is.

 

[3rdAngel]

You can believe whatever you want, but your continued refusal to accept anyone else's point of view even for a debate is the problem. Someone comes to you with a point and you just shut them down with 'No you're wrong, you're wrong!' and again tell them they're ignorant, in error and all the other phrases you've adopted to call anyone who disagrees with you, instead of acknowledging their points at all. No-one is going to want to debate you until you take a step down and stop calling them ignorant and in error, and instead actually speak to them.

As I have posted all through this thread. I have never done as you suggest saying "No you're wrong, you're wrong!' and again tell them they're ignorant, in error" so please do not pretend that I have. If I do not agree with what someone may have posted I will by God's grace show why I believe they are wrong through the scriptures. You making up things that are not true does not help the discussion.

 

[3rdAngel]

...Again, this is the problem. Just telling people they're wrong and you're right is not a debating technique.

Again I have done no such thing why pretend that I have?

 

[Rival]

I believe and follow God's Word. I do not have the problem. What have I posted that is not true? You no longer believe in Christ, your not a Chrsitian, as you denounced your faith, this is a new testament OP that you have already stated you have no interest in. What is it that I have posted that is not the truth? There has been plenty of posts here just not in regards to the OP. I wonder why...

Alrighty...

Let me know when your finished playing with pretty pictures and want to discuss the scriptures and the questions asked of you. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

Own up to your errors and give thanks to God.

If you want to have a discussion address the scriptures in the posts and the questions asked of you that show you why you are in error. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear

No your not correct as God's Word disagrees with you.

Think it through. You are in error.

I am only interested in discussing scripture and you certainly do not have any do you.

Yep you need a new bible.

You are in error.

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

Receive God's Word and be blessed. Ignoring it does not make it disappear.

I hope you can receive Gods' Word in the spirit (love) which is only sent as a help to you.

There are way more than this.

 

[3rdAngel]

posts shown out out context

I can provide peoples quotes like you have just done above taken out of Context to the rest of the posts and what is being quoted from as well. That is why there is so many different religions. Context matters and you have provided none.

 

[Redemptionsong]

You are confused here brother. Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind *Mark 2:27. There was no Jew when the Sabbath was made, no sin, no law no Moses and no Israel. *Genesis 2:1-3. It is God's 4th commandment of the 10 Commandments that give us th knowledge of what sin is in the new covenant *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. According to God's Word in the new covenant if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11 and the wages of sin is death to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of grace *Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-39.



We should worship God everyday that has never been the problem. God set apart the "seventh day" and blessed "the seventh day" as a memorial of creation and made "the seventh day" a "Holy day of rest" *Genesis 2:1-3 where no work is to be done and made it one of his 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20 and if we knowingly break it we stand guilty before God of sin. *James 2:10-11; James 4:17.



According to God's Word only those who believe and follow God's Word are God's Sheep *John 10:1-10; John 10:26-27; Matthew 7:22-27; James 2:18-26. Those who say they believe but do not follow do not hear his Voice (the Word) and follow him and are not his Sheep.



I said no such thing and if I have said no such thing why are you pretending that I have?

Do you love JESUS Redemptionsong? *John 14:15.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)

I love the Lord Jesus Christ and believe Him to be the living Word. I love Him because He first loved me.

I also believe the Lord is willing to pour out His Holy Spirit on those who truly repent of their sin and receive the Lord by faith.

If you read the story of Apollos, Acts 18, you will discover that it is possible to repent and be instructed in the way of the Lord, yet not to have experienced the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. This is why Aquila and Priscilla 'expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.' What they expounded was the way of grace.

This is why Paul spoke to DISCIPLES at Ephesus and asked them, 'Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?'

Now, maybe, you would answer my question.
What do you understand to be the first commandment given by God to Adam?

 

[Rival]

I can provide peoples quotes taken out of Context to the rest of the posts and what is being quoted from as well. That is why there is so many different religions

You continuously tell people they are in error. If you cannot see why this is why nobody is debating you anymore as they're fed up of your spiel, then I can't help you.

 

[3rdAngel]

You continuously tell people they are in error. If you cannot see why this is why nobody is debating you anymore as they're fed up of your spiel, then I can't help you.

I am not after your help, or you pulling my statement out of context to who they are responding to and what they are quoting from is only a distortion of the truth. You either have God's Word for your position or you do not. Seems many do not or do not want to discuss the scriptures but want to discuss anything else but. If I say someone is in error I give the reasons why and demonstrate why by sharing the scriptures that show why. I noticed you conveniently leave this out of your posts in regards to me as well as your claims.

 

[3rdAngel]

I love the Lord Jesus Christ and believe Him to be the living Word. I love Him because He first loved me.

JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments *John 14:15

I also believe the Lord is willing to pour out His Holy Spirit on those who truly repent of their sin and receive the Lord by faith. If you read the story of Apollos, Acts 18, you will discover that it is possible to repent and be instructed in the way of the Lord, yet not to have experienced the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. This is why Aquila and Priscilla 'expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.' What they expounded was the way of grace. This is why Paul spoke to DISCIPLES at Ephesus and asked them, 'Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?'

Indeed but JESUS only give his Spirit to those who obey him *ACTS 5:29

Now, maybe, you would answer my question. What do you understand to be the first commandment given by God to Adam?

Not to eat the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil *GENESIS 2-3. The knowledge of Good and Evil; Sin and Righteousness today is God's 10 Commandments *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4

God bless

 

[3rdAngel]

You continuously tell people they are in error. If you cannot see why this is why nobody is debating you anymore as they're fed up of your spiel, then I can't help you.

All have a duty of love to their fellow man according to Torah if they see a brother in error/sin or fault to share with that brother what their fault/error or sin might be. This is our duty of love to our fellow man. You of all people should know this. *Ezekiel 3:17-21

 

[3rdAngel]

You can give scriptures til the day you die and people are going to interpret them differently to you. What you've been doing throughout this thread is insisting your interpretation is the only correct one and telling anyone who disagrees that they are in error and ignorance. It's not enough for you to insist that Christianity is the one true religion, but that only your brand of Christianity is.

Not really I have only been sharing God's Word to show why I believe it is correct and if I say someone is in error, I provide the reason from the scriptures that prove this claim to show why someone may be in error. Ignoring God's Word is different to being ignorant to Gods' Word you seem a little confused here. There is only one truth. Not every religion can be right the same as you trying to argue that only one brand of religion cannot be right does not make it so because you say so.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Not really I have only been sharing God's Word to show why I believe it is correct and if I say someone is in error, I provide the reason from the scriptures that prove this claim to show why someone may be in error. Ignoring God's Word is different to being ignorant to Gods' Word you seem a little confused here. There is only one truth. Not every religion can be right the same as you trying to argue that only one brand of religion cannot be right does not make it so because you say so.

Just as there is not only One Truth™ because you say so.

 

[Redemptionsong]

JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments *John 14:15

Indeed but JESUS only give his Spirit to those who obey him *ACTS 5:29

Not to eat the fruit of the knowledge of Good and Evil *GENESIS 2-3. The knowledge of Good and Evil; Sin and Righteousness today is God's 10 Commandments *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4

God bless

Hi 3rdAngel, You agree, therefore, that the first commandment given to humanity (Genesis 2:16) was not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

This means that God's sanctification of the seventh day (Genesis 2:3) was not a commandment to humanity to rest or worship on the Sabbath. Had it been a commandment to do so, it would have been the first commandment given by God to mankind.

So now we look to see when God's commandment to rest, or cease work, was given. In Exodus 16:23, Moses says, 'To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD:'

The words of Exodus 16:23 are the first time that rest and cessation of work (for humans) has been mentioned. God has not commanded any human being to rest on the Sabbath before this time. The conclusion must be that, before God's covenant was made with Moses in the wilderness, there was no Sabbath observance. If God had wanted Sabbath observance from the time of creation, He would have made it clear in his Word!

If you truly love God's Word, and I believe you do, then you should be honest enough to accept that we cannot insert commandments where commandments do not exist. Any commandments that were given by God to Noah, Abraham, and others, were specific and were recorded. You cannot claim that a 'spoken word' exists beyond, and in contradiction to, that which is explicitly recorded.

So we now have a clear and unequivocal position regarding Sabbath observance. The law for Israelites to cease work and keep the seventh day holy came in with Moses. It did not exist before Moses.

Onwards we travel. Pentecost has come and gone, and the new covenant is being preached. Suddenly, adherence to the Friday / Saturday Sabbath disappears again. In the record of Acts, Paul visits some synagogues on the Sabbath, because that's where he can reason with the Jewish communities, but in the epistles (barring Colossians 2:16) there is not one mention of the Sabbath.

In Acts 20, Paul travels to Troy (Troas) and scripture says he spent 7 days there. This means that during his seven day stay he was present during a weekly Sabbath. There is no mention of his observance, yet it does say, 'upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them'. So the disciples were meeting on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread together. It is then that Paul does his preaching. In other words, the disciples are not observing the Jewish Sabbath, but are meeting together on the first day of the week for their time of rest together. Paul supports this meeting by preaching to them.

 

[metis]

It is certainly news to me that we Christians no longer hold to, The Ten Words as noted in the Decalogue, Deuteronomy in which the Sabbath Law is the 3rd commandment.
It is the duty of Christians therefore to remember that, although the practices of the Jewish Sabbath are gone, surpassed as they are by the "fulfilment" which Sunday brings, the underlying reasons for keeping "the Lord's Day" holy — inscribed solemnly in the Ten Commandments — remain valid, though they need to be reinterpreted in the light of the theology and spirituality of Sunday: "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Six days you shall labour, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. Then you shall do no work, you, or your son, or your daughter, or your servant, or your maid, or your ox, or your ***, or any of your beasts, or the foreigner within your gates, that your servant and maid may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a servant in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God commanded that you keep the Sabbath day" (Dt 5:12-15). Here the Sabbath observance is closely linked with the liberation which God accomplished for his people.

Christ came to accomplish a new "exodus", to restore freedom to the oppressed. He performed many healings on the Sabbath (cf. Mt 12:9-14 and parallels), certainly not to violate the Lord's Day, but to reveal its full meaning: "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mk 2:27). Opposing the excessively legalistic interpretation of some of his contemporaries, and developing the true meaning of the biblical Sabbath, Jesus, as "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mk 2:28), restores to the Sabbath observance its liberating character, carefully safeguarding the rights of God and the rights of man. This is why Christians, called as they are to proclaim the liberation won by the blood of Christ, felt that they had the authority to transfer the meaning of the Sabbath to the day of the Resurrection. The Passover of Christ has in fact liberated man from a slavery more radical than any weighing upon an oppressed people — the slavery of sin, which alienates man from God, and alienates man from himself and from others, constantly sowing within history the seeds of evil and violence.


The main point of the precept is not just any kind of interruption of work, but the celebration of the marvels which God has wrought.

The joy with which God, on humanity's first Sabbath, contemplates all that was created from nothing, is now expressed in the joy with which Christ, on Easter Sunday, appeared to his disciples, bringing the gift of peace and the gift of the Spirit (cf. Jn 20:19-23). It was in the Paschal Mystery that humanity, and with it the whole creation, "groaning in birth-pangs until now" (Rom 8:22), came to know its new "exodus" into the freedom of God's children who can cry out with Christ, "Abba, Father!" (Rom 8:15; Gal 4:6).
excerpts from Dies Domini
Dies Domini (May 31, 1998) | John Paul II

Well said, and thank you so much for the above.

 

[metis]

In Acts 20, Paul travels to Troy (Troas) and scripture says he spent 7 days there. This means that during his seven day stay he was present during a weekly Sabbath. There is no mention of his observance, yet it does say, 'upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them'. So the disciples were meeting on the first day of the week (Sunday) to break bread together. It is then that Paul does his preaching. In other words, the disciples are not observing the Jewish Sabbath, but are meeting together on the first day of the week for their time of rest together. Paul supports this meeting by preaching to them.

And that's a really good point, in that the Twelve, and later their appointees, would go to synagogues on Shabbat to preach the Gospel. but then have their communal meal on Sunday. Even though Paul is Jewish, he eventually arrives at the point that observing Jesus' resurrection is more important than the Sabbath mandate under Jewish Law, whereas both Jews and Gentiles in the Church could observe and celebrate together.

 

[3rdAngel]

Just as there is not only One Truth™ because you say so.

I did not say so God did *John 14:6; John 17:17.

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. I have not spoken my own words.