COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[3rdAngel]

When you say sabbath and I hear sabbath from you its....

Well nope that does not answer the question asked of you...

3rdAngel said: ↑ Please brother show us from the scriptures which sabbath Hosea 2:11and Isaiah 1:13 are talking about?

1. God's 4th commandment *Exodus 20:8-11? or....
2. Ceremonial sabbaths in ordinances and feast days (not the 4th commandment)
3. The sabbaths (not the 4th commandment) in the Feast of trumpets *Leviticus 23:24?
4. The sabbaths (not the 4th commandment) in the Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32?
5. The sabbaths (not the 4th commandment) in the Feast of booths *Leviticus 23:29?
6. The sabbath (not the 4th commandment) of the land *Leviticus 25:4-22

You do not know the answer do you. Please read the OP.

Matthew 24:19-21 Good News Translation (GNT) How terrible it will be in those days for women who are pregnant and for mothers with little babies! Pray to God that you will not have to run away during the winter or on a Sabbath! For the trouble at that time will be far more terrible than any there has ever been, from the beginning of the world to this very day. Nor will there ever be anything like it again.

The Lord Jesus was prophesying about Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE) - Wikipedia
And just gave reference that they should pray that this would not happen during the winter or on a Sabbath Running during winter is bad enough and running in a Jewish Sabbath is equally dangerous because the Jews are required to be indoors. Jesus in no way describe or order to observe the Sabbath at this point.

Your missing the point aren't you? Your claim was that God's 4th commandment is abolished 700 years BC yet JESUS sees his disciples in the future still keeping the Sabbath 70 AD after his death and ressurrection. You think if your interpretation was true someone would have told JESUS and JESUS would have told the disciples right?

Hebrews 4:9 Good News Translation (GNT) As it is, however, there still remains for God's people a rest like God's resting on the seventh day.

versus your quote: THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Again the real verse and message does not in anyway promote the observance of the Sabbath
In another version of the Bible - the Amplified Bibles mention the verse this way:

AMP So there remains a [full and complete] Sabbath rest for the people of God.

AMPC So then, there is still awaiting a full and complete Sabbath-rest reserved for the [true] people of God;

Rubbish! What do you mean the real verse? You were provided the real verse...

Hebrews 4:9, SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. (Aramaic)

Hebrews 4, verse 9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

GREEK INTERLINEAR HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath rest) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

STRONGS LEXICON So ἄρα (ara) Conjunction Strong's Greek 686: Then, therefore, since. Probably from airo; a particle denoting an inference more or less decisive. there remains ἀπολείπεται (apoleipetai) Verb - Present Indicative Middle or Passive - 3rd Person Singular Strong's Greek 620: From apo and leipo; to leave behind; by implication, to forsake. a Sabbath rest σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos) Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest. From a derivative of sabbaton; a 'sabbatism', i.e. the repose of Christianity. for the τῷ (tō) Article - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 3588: The, the definite article. Including the feminine he, and the neuter to in all their inflections; the definite article; the. people λαῷ (laō) Noun - Dative Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2992: Apparently a primary word; a people. of God. Θεοῦ (Theou) Noun - Genitive Masculine Singular Strong's Greek 2316: A deity, especially the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very.

STRONGS CONCORDENCE sabbatismos: a sabbath rest Definition: a sabbath rest Usage (DOING): a keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

ENGLISHMAN'S CONCORDANCE Hebrews 4:9 N-NMS GRK: ἄρα ἀπολείπεται σαββατισμὸς τῷ λαῷ NAS: there remains a Sabbath rest for the people KJV: therefore a rest to the people INT: Then remains a sabbath rest to the people

CORRECT TRANSLATION

HEBREWS 4:9 [9], SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH. Aramaic

PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS

New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;

English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,

Berean Study Bible
There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.

International Standard Version
There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep,

NET Bible
Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.

New Heart English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

New American Standard 1977
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

American Standard Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

English Revised Version
There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.

Weymouth New Testament
It follows that there still remains a sabbath rest for the people of God.

World English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.

Young's Literal Translation
there doth remain, then, a sabbatic rest to the people of God,

Sorry God's Word disagrees with you.

What does FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER mean?

Every Sabbath God's people will meet together in the new heavens and earth.

ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], FOR AS THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH WHICH I SHALL MAKE SHALL REMAIN BEFORE ME said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. [23]And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.

The Israelite slaves observed the Sabbath - that is one

What? There was no ISRALITE no JEW and no sin when God made the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3

The other Sabbath was mentioned by you in Hebrews 4:9 - and that is the other.

Sorry I have no idea what your talking about.

I still yet to see your Sabbath schedule
SABBATH ACTIVITIES
FRIDAY
6:00 pm
7:00 pm
8:00 pm
9:00 pm
10:00 pm
11:00 pm

SATURDAY
12:00 am
1:00 am
2:00 am
3:00 am
4:00 am
5:00 am
6:00 am
7:00 am
8:00 am
9:00 am
10:00 am
11:00 am
12:00 am
1:00 pm
2:00 pm
3:00 pm
4:00 pm
5:00 pm
6:00 pm

Is it confidential that even @Crosstian couldn't even divulge how your Sabbaths are observed? Or the fact is your Sabbaths are nothing that special at all?

See post # 387

 

[3rdAngel]

Where am I ?

I great question you should be asking yourself. Are you following God or are you following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9? Let me know when your finished playing with pretty pictures and want to discuss the scriptures and the questions asked of you. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

 

[The Anointed]

Well that is not true. Sure there is. I suggest you read God's Word for yourself brother. The old is fulfilled in the new. Read Colossians 2; Ephesians 2; Hebrews 7; Hebrews 8; Hebrews 9; Hebrews 10

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Hebrews 10:1 [1], For the law having a SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve to the example and SHADOW OF HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, said he, that you make all things according to the pattern showed to you in the mount.

Colossians 2:17 [17], Which are a SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.

Your confused. When I said you should get your facts straight it was in regards to your claims that Colossians 2:16 for sabbath was singular application [N-GNS]. As shown to you in the previous post the GREEK word number is N-GNP which is plural application to sabbaths or sabbath days connected to scripture context of feast days. Please don't deflect this fact by trying to talk about something I was not talking about (see post # 407).

Hope this helps.

Go back to post #387, in which you wrote; "MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

Are you not capable of comprehending that Mark was not referring to the day before the weekly Sabbath, but the day of preparation to the Passover, which the Jews erroneously held on the first day of the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread, and that day was Thursday the 15th day of Nisan, three days and three nights before Jesus was resurrected. You certainly get your brain in a twisted tangled mess don't you?

” Exodus 12: 6; the English word ‘DUSK’ in the Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre.is taken from the Hebrew - בין הערבים beyn haarbayim, which means "between the two evenings, and which is translated in English bibles as evening or twilight, but the Hebrew ben ha-'arbayim literally means "between the two settings."

Rabbinic sources take this to mean "from noon on." According to Radak, the first "setting" occurs when the sun passes its zenith just after noon and the shadows begin to lengthen, and the second "setting" is the actual sunset. (p. 55, vol. 2, The Jewish Publication Society Torah Commentary, "Exodus")

Jesus died on Wednesday the 14th of Nisan at 3PM, midway between NOON and 6PM sunset., on the day of preparation to the erroneous Jewish Passover.

Although the bible clearly states that the Passover was to be held on the 14th day of the first month, which is Nisan and also called ‘Abib, and was to be a single day festival which was to be held for all time as seen in Exodus 12: 14, but the Jews were to later incorporate the single day Festival of Passover into their seven day Festival of Unleavened bread.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14th day of the first month. On the fifteenth day a religious Festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread, (The 15th day of Abib/Nisan) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………….On the last day (The 21st of Abib/Nisan) you must meet for worship and do no work. Those two days are Holy days.

Exodus 12: 22-23; The Israelites are commanded by the Lord, through Moses, that on the night of the Passover, the 14 day of Abib/Nisan, the night that the Lord killed all the firstborn males of Egypt who were not protected by the sacrificial blood, they were not to leave their houses until ‘MORNING.

Knowing from Exodus 12: 23; that the Israelites could not leave their houses until sunrise after the Lord had killed all the firstborn males of Egypt who were not protected by the sacrificial blood of the lambs that the Israelites had eaten that night, we now turn to Deuteronomy 16: 5-6; which reveals that sunset was ‘THE TIME OF THE DAY’ that the Israelites left Egypt: this verse is not referring to the day that they left Egypt, but ‘THE TIME OF THE DAY.’

While Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day ‘AFTER’ the first Passover, Let me repeat that, it was on the ‘DAY AFTER’ the first Passover, as the sun set on the 14th Day of Nisan, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their firstborn sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night, wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

Because the Jews had forsaken the command of the Lord, to eat the Passover meal in the evening of the 14th day of Nisan (Which Jesus and his apostles did) but instead, ate their Pascal lambs in the evening and beginning of the 15th day of Nisan, which is the first of the seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread, it became necessary that the sacrificial Lamb of God be killed between the two evenings (3PM the 9th hour of the 12 hours of daylight) on the day of preparation to their Passover, which day of preparation to the true Passover commanded by God, should have been the 13th day of Nisan.

The Jewish day began at sunset and consisted of 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of Daylight.

Jesus said; "The Day has 12 hours has it not, so work while the light is with you.

Jesus held the Passover with his disciples in the evening and beginning of the 14th day of the first month, there was no Pascal lamb at that Passover meal, as Jesus gave to his disciples the bread and wine, which symbolised the body and blood of the true lamb, who takes on the sins of the world.

It was not 'NOON' when Pilate passed judgement on Jesus, as most bibles claim, it was the sixth hour of the 12 hour of darkness (MIDNIGHT) on the day of preparation to the erroneous Jewish Passover. See RSV John 19: 14.

The Jewish authorities refused to defile themselves by going into the Gentiles palace that night as they wanted to keep themselves ritually clean in order to eat their Passover meal next evening, which was the 15th of Nisan.

See Mark 15: 25 RSV; He was nailed to the cross on the 3rd hour of the 12 hours of daylight, (9 AM) on the day of preparation to the Passover, darkness covered the Land at (NOON) the 6th hour of the 12 hours of daylight on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, Jesus died on the 9th hour (3PM) on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, and was buried just as the sun was setting on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, just as the Jews were preparing to eat their pascal Lambs in the evening of the 15th day of Nisan, which is the first of their seven day Festival of Unleavened bread, a Most High Sabbath, the first of their seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread on which no work could be done.

Passover and Easter are supposed to fall on, or near, a full moon in the spring. The seven day Festival of their erroneous Passover in Israel, always begins on the 15th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan. Because the Hebrew months are pegged directly to the lunar cycle, the 15th day of Nisan is always a full moon. Jesus rose on a Sunday, but as Passover can fall on various days of the week, and Jesus said that he would be in the bowels of the earth for three days and three nights, we must ask the question; “On what day was he buried?”

The tomb of Jesus was found to be empty early on Sunday morning while it was still dark, See John 20: 1; this does not necessarally mean that he was risen on Sunday Morning, he may have been resurrected in the evening and beginning of Sunday, just after the sun had set on Saturday the weekly Sabbath.

If this were the case, it would mean that Jesus was buried as the sunset on Wednesday the 14th day of Nisan, the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, and remained in the tomb all day Thursday the fifteenth day of Nisan, which is the first day of the Jewish Passover, a MOST HIGH Sabbath on which no work could be done, Then all day Friday, in which the women could purchase the Herbs and spices they needed to prepare the tomb of Jesus, and as the purchase and preparation of those spices would have taken up most of that day, and the evening of Saturday the weekly Sabbath was fast approaching, it was not until Sunday morning that they were able to go to in order to prepare the tomb of Jesus, only to find that it was empty.

If Jesus was not resurrected until Sunday morning, then he would, had to have been in the tomb for three days and four nights.

So, unless we reckon that Jesus lied when he said that he would be in the bowels of the earth for three days and three nights, we must now accept that according to the scriptures, I repeat, according to the scriptures, Jesus died on Wednesday the 14th of Nisan, was in the tomb on the 15th, 16th, and 17th of Nisan and was risen early in the evening and beginning of Sunday the 18th, but in what Year? We will return to this subject at a later date.

Jesus was not killed on the day of Preparation to the weekly sabbath as you would have your readers believe, by saying that Mark in reference to the death of Jesus, was saying that he died on the day of preparation to the weekly Sabbath, which is just a shadow of the future reality: The thousand year rule of Christ on the seventh day from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

 

[3rdAngel]

Go back to post #387, in which you wrote; "MARK 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath

The preparation day is the 6th day of the week. This includes preparing to stop all business and secular work as well as any domestic work; cooking, cleaning; shopping, buying and selling that can be done on any other day of the week.

Are you not capable of comprehending that Mark was not referring to the day before the weekly Sabbath, but the day of preparation to the Passover, which the Jews erroneously held on the first day of the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread, and that day was Thursday the 15th day of Nisan, three days and three nights before Jesus was resurrected. You certainly get your brain in a twisted tangled mess don't you?

” Exodus 12: 6; the English word ‘DUSK’ in the Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre.is taken from the Hebrew - בין הערבים beyn haarbayim, which means "between the two evenings, and which is translated in English bibles as evening or twilight, but the Hebrew ben ha-'arbayim literally means "between the two settings."

Rabbinic sources take this to mean "from noon on." According to Radak, the first "setting" occurs when the sun passes its zenith just after noon and the shadows begin to lengthen, and the second "setting" is the actual sunset. (p. 55, vol. 2, The Jewish Publication Society Torah Commentary, "Exodus")

Jesus died on Wednesday the 14th of Nisan at 3PM, midway between NOON and 6PM sunset., on the day of preparation to the erroneous Jewish Passover.

Although the bible clearly states that the Passover was to be held on the 14th day of the first month, which is Nisan and also called ‘Abib, and was to be a single day festival which was to be held for all time as seen in Exodus 12: 14, but the Jews were to later incorporate the single day Festival of Passover into their seven day Festival of Unleavened bread.

Numbers 28: 16; The Passover festival in honour of the Lord, is to be held on the 14th day of the first month. On the fifteenth day a religious Festival begins which lasts seven days, during which, only unleavened bread is to be eaten. On the first day of the seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread, (The 15th day of Abib/Nisan) you are to gather for worship and no work is to be done………….On the last day (The 21st of Abib/Nisan) you must meet for worship and do no work. Those two days are Holy days.

Exodus 12: 22-23; The Israelites are commanded by the Lord, through Moses, that on the night of the Passover, the 14 day of Abib/Nisan, the night that the Lord killed all the firstborn males of Egypt who were not protected by the sacrificial blood, they were not to leave their houses until ‘MORNING.

Knowing from Exodus 12: 23; that the Israelites could not leave their houses until sunrise after the Lord had killed all the firstborn males of Egypt who were not protected by the sacrificial blood of the lambs that the Israelites had eaten that night, we now turn to Deuteronomy 16: 5-6; which reveals that sunset was ‘THE TIME OF THE DAY’ that the Israelites left Egypt: this verse is not referring to the day that they left Egypt, but ‘THE TIME OF THE DAY.’

While Numbers 33: 3; reveals that the people of Israel left Egypt on the day ‘AFTER’ the first Passover, Let me repeat that, it was on the ‘DAY AFTER’ the first Passover, as the sun set on the 14th Day of Nisan, they left Egypt in full view of the Egyptians who were burying their firstborn sons, who the Lord had killed in the darkness of the previous night, wherein the beginning of that night, the Israelites had eaten the Passover lambs that had been killed between the two evenings that preceded their Passover meal.

Because the Jews had forsaken the command of the Lord, to eat the Passover meal in the evening of the 14th day of Nisan (Which Jesus and his apostles did) but instead, ate their Pascal lambs in the evening and beginning of the 15th day of Nisan, which is the first of the seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread, it became necessary that the sacrificial Lamb of God be killed between the two evenings (3PM the 9th hour of the 12 hours of daylight) on the day of preparation to their Passover, which day of preparation to the true Passover commanded by God, should have been the 13th day of Nisan.

The Jewish day began at sunset and consisted of 12 hours of darkness followed by 12 hours of Daylight.

Jesus said; "The Day has 12 hours has it not, so work while the light is with you.

Jesus held the Passover with his disciples in the evening and beginning of the 14th day of the first month, there was no Pascal lamb at that Passover meal, as Jesus gave to his disciples the bread and wine, which symbolised the body and blood of the true lamb, who takes on the sins of the world.

It was not 'NOON' when Pilate passed judgement on Jesus, as most bibles claim, it was the sixth hour of the 12 hour of darkness (MIDNIGHT) on the day of preparation to the erroneous Jewish Passover. See RSV John 19: 14.

The Jewish authorities refused to defile themselves by going into the Gentiles palace that night as they wanted to keep themselves ritually clean in order to eat their Passover meal next evening, which was the 15th of Nisan.

See Mark 15: 25 RSV; He was nailed to the cross on the 3rd hour of the 12 hours of daylight, (9 AM) on the day of preparation to the Passover, darkness covered the Land at (NOON) the 6th hour of the 12 hours of daylight on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, Jesus died on the 9th hour (3PM) on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, and was buried just as the sun was setting on the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, just as the Jews were preparing to eat their pascal Lambs in the evening of the 15th day of Nisan, which is the first of their seven day Festival of Unleavened bread, a Most High Sabbath, the first of their seven day Festival of Unleavened Bread on which no work could be done.

Passover and Easter are supposed to fall on, or near, a full moon in the spring. The seven day Festival of their erroneous Passover in Israel, always begins on the 15th day of the Hebrew month of Nisan. Because the Hebrew months are pegged directly to the lunar cycle, the 15th day of Nisan is always a full moon. Jesus rose on a Sunday, but as Passover can fall on various days of the week, and Jesus said that he would be in the bowels of the earth for three days and three nights, we must ask the question; “On what day was he buried?”

The tomb of Jesus was found to be empty early on Sunday morning while it was still dark, See John 20: 1; this does not necessarally mean that he was risen on Sunday Morning, he may have been resurrected in the evening and beginning of Sunday, just after the sun had set on Saturday the weekly Sabbath.

If this were the case, it would mean that Jesus was buried as the sunset on Wednesday the 14th day of Nisan, the day of preparation to the Jewish Passover, and remained in the tomb all day Thursday the fifteenth day of Nisan, which is the first day of the Jewish Passover, a MOST HIGH Sabbath on which no work could be done, Then all day Friday, in which the women could purchase the Herbs and spices they needed to prepare the tomb of Jesus, and as the purchase and preparation of those spices would have taken up most of that day, and the evening of Saturday the weekly Sabbath was fast approaching, it was not until Sunday morning that they were able to go to in order to prepare the tomb of Jesus, only to find that it was empty.

If Jesus was not resurrected until Sunday morning, then he would, had to have been in the tomb for three days and four nights.

So, unless we reckon that Jesus lied when he said that he would be in the bowels of the earth for three days and three nights, we must now accept that according to the scriptures, I repeat, according to the scriptures, Jesus died on Wednesday the 14th of Nisan, was in the tomb on the 15th, 16th, and 17th of Nisan and was risen early in the evening and beginning of Sunday the 18th, but in what Year? We will return to this subject at a later date.

Jesus was not killed on the day of Preparation to the weekly sabbath as you would have your readers believe, by saying that Mark in reference to the death of Jesus, was saying that he died on the day of preparation to the weekly Sabbath, which is just a shadow of the future reality: The thousand year rule of Christ on the seventh day from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

I am sorry I am not interested in wanting to change the topic of the OP. Please start up another thread if your interested in another topic I will be happy to reply to your topic in detail. Preparation day in reference to the weekly Sabbath was only in reference to another poster that was wanting to know about the preparation day before God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath. You trying to switch the conversation because you were caught out not getting your facts right in regards to the sabbath in Colossians 2:16 being plural application when you claim it is singular is simply a distraction. Own up to your errors and give thanks to God.

 

[MJFlores]

I great question you should be asking yourself. Are you following God or are you following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9? Let me know when your finished playing with pretty pictures and want to discuss the scriptures and the questions asked of you. Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

You keep on repeating these words and it is funny even the misspelled word dissappear [instead of disappear] always is misspelled.

 

[3rdAngel]

You keep on repeating these words and it is funny even the misspelled word dissappear [instead of disappear] always is misspelled.

Thank you do you have any scripture to share in relation to the OP? Or did you wish to share something in relation to the OP? I did not think so.

 

[MJFlores]

Thank you do you have any scripture to share? Or did you wish to share something in relation to the OP? I did not think so.

Exodus 31:13 New International Version (NIV)
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Are you an Israelite?

Exodus 31:16 New International Version (NIV)
The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.

Are you an Israelite?

Leviticus 25:2 New International Version (NIV)
“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you, the land itself must observe a sabbath to the Lord.

Are you an Israelite?

Are you following God or are you following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. <--- still misspelled. Can you make one "s" dissappear?

Israelite, descendant of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel after an all-night fight at Penuel near the stream of Jabbok (Genesis 32:28). In early history, Israelites were simply members of the 12 tribes of Israel. After 930 bce and the establishment of two independent Hebrew kingdoms in Palestine, the 10 northern tribes constituting the kingdom of Israel were known as Israelites to distinguish them from the southern kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians in 721 bce, and its population was eventually absorbed by other peoples.

In liturgical usage, an Israelite is a Jew who is neither a cohen (descendant of Aaron, the first high priest) nor a Levite (descendant of early religious functionaries). The distinction is significant, for if a cohen is present for synagogue service, he must be called up first for the reading of the Law; he is then followed by a Levite. Normally, therefore, an Israelite is not called up until the third reading.

Source: Israelite | people

If you are an Israelite....

 

[3rdAngel]

Exodus 31:13 New International Version (NIV)
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

Are you an Israelite?

Exodus 31:16 New International Version (NIV)
The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.

Are you an Israelite?

Leviticus 25:2 New International Version (NIV)
“Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘When you enter the land I am going to give you, the land itself must observe a sabbath to the Lord.

Are you an Israelite?

Are you following God or are you following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear. <--- still misspelled. Can you make one "s" dissappear?

Israelite, descendant of the Hebrew patriarch Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel after an all-night fight at Penuel near the stream of Jabbok (Genesis 32:28). In early history, Israelites were simply members of the 12 tribes of Israel. After 930 bce and the establishment of two independent Hebrew kingdoms in Palestine, the 10 northern tribes constituting the kingdom of Israel were known as Israelites to distinguish them from the southern kingdom of Judah. The northern kingdom was conquered by the Assyrians in 721 bce, and its population was eventually absorbed by other peoples.

In liturgical usage, an Israelite is a Jew who is neither a cohen (descendant of Aaron, the first high priest) nor a Levite (descendant of early religious functionaries). The distinction is significant, for if a cohen is present for synagogue service, he must be called up first for the reading of the Law; he is then followed by a Levite. Normally, therefore, an Israelite is not called up until the third reading.

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If you are an Israelite....

Your confused brother. I am sorry but your just repeating yourself, posting pretty pictures without addressing any of the content from the posts, questions and scriptures that disagree with you and show why you are in error.

According to God's word, ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12.

A detailed scripture response showing you why you are in error is posted in

God's Israel in the new testament who is it *Romans 9:6-8

If you want to have a discussion address the scriptures in the posts and the questions asked of you that show you why you are in error. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear

 

[MJFlores]

God's Israel in the new testament who is it *Romans 9:6-8



This is such a FAKE statement - GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There are many church denominations in the world today.

List of Christian denominations by number of members - Wikipedia

Maybe there are 34,000 denominations at least, so which is the Church you are referring to?

Next you cannot bravely state on your IMMIGRATION or even fill up a form asking your nationality
and write there ISRAELITE

If you have a driver's license or a passport that won't show ISRAELITE as your nationality unless....

you lie

 

[3rdAngel]

God's Israel in the new testament who is it *Romans 9:6-8

This is such a FAKE statement - GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There are many church denominations in the world today.

List of Christian denominations by number of members - Wikipedia

Maybe there are 34,000 denominations at least, so which is the Church you are referring to?

Next you cannot bravely state on your IMMIGRATION or even fill up a form asking your nationality
and write there ISRAELITE

If you have a driver's license or a passport that won't show ISRAELITE as your nationality unless....

you lie

I am sorry MJFlores, according to God's Word (not my word) it is our own words that are lying words. Only God's word is true *Romans 3:4. Now brother the above post is only your words that are not God's Word. The post and thread you are responding to is God's Word not my words. So your argument is with God not me as your words are not God's Word they are yours and your arguing with God's Word that are not mine but God. Do you have any scripture to share? I did not think so.

 

[MJFlores]

GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore.
GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)
Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham.

These three statements run in conflict with each other
First - Abraham was no Israelite
Second - which church are you referring to as Israel
Third - Your quote no Jews or Greeks is totally incomplete

Your doctrines reminds me of a matted hair of a neglected dog

Chaotic, too much tangled situation, too much to cut.
That is not the true Christian doctrine.

Galatians 3:26-29 New International Version (NIV)
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


So how do you know you are Abraham's seed?
By observing the Sabbath? Abraham did not observe the Sabbath.

Galatians 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

And like Abraham, Jesus Christ who is the seed of Abraham did not observe the Sabbath..

So....If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise

How do you belong to Christ to be Abraham's seed?
By observing the Sabbath which Jesus Christ and Abraham did not observe?
Heck no.
You must be inside the Church which Christ built.

 

[MJFlores]

I am sorry MJFlores, according to God's Word (not my wordS) it is our own words that are lying words. Only God's word is true *Romans 3:4. Now brother the above post is only your words that are not God's Word. The post and thread you are responding to is God's Word not my words. So your argument is with God not me as your words are not God's Word they are yours and your arguing with God's Word that are not mine but God. Do you have any scripture to share? I did not think so.

At what point did I lie?
You were the one who claim to be an Israelite.

Otherwise it is just a crazy delusion
Thinking something which you couldn't be
even if you have a million years

 

[3rdAngel]

At what point did I lie?
You were the one who claim to be an Israelite. Otherwise it is just a crazy delusion
Thinking something which you couldn't be even if you have a million years

You are confused. Read what I posted again with the reference Romans 3:4 that was posted. It is saying only God's Word is true. You were provided God's Word showing that God's ISRAEL in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word. You simply provide your own words that are not God's Word but your words to try and argue with God's Word that are not my words but God's. So I will leave your argument between you and God to work through. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it *Romans 3:4

 

[3rdAngel]

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore.
GOD'S ISRAEL ARE ALL THOSE WHO BELIEVE AND FOLLOW GOD'S WORD (The Church)
Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham.

These three statements run in conflict with each other
First - Abraham was no Israelite
Second - which church are you referring to as Israel
Third - Your quote no Jews or Greeks is totally incomplete

Your doctrines reminds me of a matted hair of a neglected dog

Chaotic, too much tangled situation, too much to cut.
That is not the true Christian doctrine.

Galatians 3:26-29 New International Version (NIV)
So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


So how do you know you are Abraham's seed?
By observing the Sabbath? Abraham did not observe the Sabbath.

Galatians 3:16 New International Version (NIV)
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

And like Abraham, Jesus Christ who is the seed of Abraham did not observe the Sabbath..

So....If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise

How do you belong to Christ to be Abraham's seed?
By observing the Sabbath which Jesus Christ and Abraham did not observe?
Heck no.
You must be inside the Church which Christ built.

Your just sadly repeating yourself here brother. This has all been addressed with a detailed scripture reply in the thread...

God's Israel in the new testament who is it *Romans 9:6-8

Please feel free to visit there. This thread is on Colossians 2:16-17 are you being told the truth. Did you have any scripture to share? If you are not a part of God's Israel in the new covenant you have no part in the new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27

Your welcome.

 

[The Anointed]

I am sorry I am not interested in wanting to change the topic of the OP. Please start up another thread if your interested in another topic I will be happy to reply to your topic in detail. Preparation day in reference to the weekly Sabbath was only in reference to another poster that was wanting to know about the preparation day before God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath. You trying to switch the conversation because you were caught out not getting your facts right in regards to the sabbath in Colossians 2:16 being plural application when you claim it is singular is simply a distraction. Own up to your errors and give thanks to God.

NO, my dear friend, I am correct in stating that the weekly Sabbath is but a faint outline or a shadow of the future reality, which is 'THE DAY OFTHE LORD', when He, on 'THE LORD'S DAY' of one thousand years, will judge the whole world with Justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. And that he has given proof of this to every one by raising that MAN from death.

You have said that the Preparation day in reference to the weekly Sabbath was only in reference to another poster that was wanting to know about the preparation day before God's 4th commandment weekly Sabbath.

Then why did you use Mark 15: 42, as your example, which had nothing to do with the weekly Sabbath, but was in reference to the day in which Jesus died before the holy day on which no work could be done, which was a Thursday. WHY did you say that the preparation day as revealed in Mark 15: 42, was the preparation day before the weekly Sabbath, when it was the preparation day to the seven day festival of Unleavened Bread?

Keep digging that hole mate/

You seem to think that because you created this thread, you can make ridiculous claims such as, "The Israelites were in Egypt for over 400 years," and that the day of preparation on which Jesus died, was the day before the normal weekly Sabbath, and then refuse to defend your false and biblically ignorant statements, claiming that it would be off topic if you were to attempt to defend those ignorant statements.

So I will start a new thread, especially for you, in order that you can attempt to defend those biblically ignorant statements, a thread in which you cannot hide behind your totally erroneous belief concerning the SABBATH of the Lord, and the time that the Israelites were in Egypt.

Although I do believe that if you do have the intestinal fortitude to attempt to justify your false claims, you will, as is your want, pull out a conglomeration of scripture from the context in which they were intended.

Until I have the time to do as you have asked, you have a good nights sleep. Nighty, night mate.

 

[3rdAngel]

NO, my dear friend, I am correct in stating that the weekly Sabbath is but a faint outline or a shadow of the future reality, which is 'THE DAY OFTHE LORD', when He, on 'THE LORD'S DAY' of one thousand years, will judge the whole world with Justice by means of the MAN he has CHOSEN. And that he has given proof of this to every one by raising that MAN from death.

You seem to think that because you created this thread, you can make ridiculous claims such as, "The Israelites were in Egypt for over 400 years," and that the day of preparation on which Jesus died, was the day before the normal weekly Sabbath, and then refuse to defend your false and biblically ignorant statements, claiming that it would be off topic if you were to attempt to defend those ignorant statements.

So I will start a new thread, especially for you, in order that you can attempt to defend those biblically ignorant statements, a thread in which you cannot hide behind your totally erroneous belief concerning the SABBATH of the Lord.

No your not correct as God's Word disagrees with you. You are confused brother and let me ask you some questions to show you why.

Can you please explain how the Sabbath which JESUS says made for mankind *Mark 2:27 on the "seventh day" of creation can be a Shodow as you claim when there was no law, no sin and no shadow laws because there was no sin *Genesis 2:1-3? According to God's Word (not mine) the Sabbath was made as part of a finished work for mankind - Simply your claims are not biblical and impossible.

Think it through. You are in error.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed.

 

[The Anointed]

No your not correct as God's Word disagrees with you. You are confused brother and let me ask you some questions to show you why.

Can you please explain how the Sabbath which JESUS says made for mankind *Mark 2:27 on the "seventh day" of creation can be a Shodow as you claim when there was no law, no sin and no shadow laws because there was no sin *Genesis 2:1-3? According to God's Word (not mine) the Sabbath was made as part of a finished work for mankind - Simply your claims are not biblical and impossible.

Think it through. You are in error.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed.

Gladly! The rest day of El the creator, was the seventh creative day, or as the scriptures say 'The seventh generation of the universe, you do not think that the creative story is referring to six literal 24 hours day do you, OR DO YOU?. But the wife has just put my supper on the table so, God willing, I will be Back.

 

[3rdAngel]

Gladly! The rest day of El the creator, was the seventh creative day, or as the scriptures say 'The seventh generation of the universe, you do not think that the creative story is referring to six literal 24 hours day do you, OR DO YOU?. But the wife has just put my supper on the table so, God willing, I will be Back.

I am sorry I think we end our conversation here. I am only interested in discussing scripture and you certainly do not have any do you.

 

[metis]

Makes perfect sense if you read what JESUS says. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. You having some Jewish background brother should know this should you not?

MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.[38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer...

MATTHEW 19:16-21
[16], And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17], And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. [18], He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF [20], The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? [21], Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James...

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul?

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Paul makes it very clear what he is talking about as well when he is talking about God's Law. It seems like Jesus, James and Paul all agree together what it is they are referring to when talking about God's Law. They are all referring to God's 10 commandments which includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17)

So now that God's Word shows us what it is referring to. No need to guess, what we are talking about, God’s Law of Love is God's 10 commandments. God's love is expressed through obedience to Gods law through a new heart to love, not outside it it. That is why JESUS says "IF you love me keep my commandments.

On there two commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets.

You are in error. There was no Jew; no Israel, no Moses and no Sin when the sabbath was made for mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3

You have me saying or implying that which I did not say nor imply.

Just because the 613 Jewish Commandments only directly apply to the Israelites/Jews, what Jesus and the Twelve and Paul did was to cite which Laws would apply to those in the Church. Never have I stated nor implied that Jesus didn't teach what his expectations are in a variety of areas, but those teachings that he does mention fall under the Two Commandments that deal with the love of God and the Golden Rule.

Even though the Twelve at first continued to meet on Shabbat, and because the Church is communal by Jesus' teaching, one day of the week could be chosen that didn't necessarily have to be just on the Sabbath.

OTOH, what you are doing is called "legalism", so as if some here disagree with your continued ranting about meeting on the Sabbath that somehow they're in deep doo-doo with the Boss.
Jesus said "Love one another as I have loved you", not "If you don't meet on Shabbat you're violating my 'law of love'".

 

[3rdAngel]

Just because the 613 Jewish Commandments only directly apply to the Israelites/Jews, what Jesus and the Twelve and Paul did was to cite which Laws would apply to those in the Church. Never have I stated nor implied that Jesus didn't teach what his expectations are in a variety of areas, but those teachings that he does mention fall under the Two Commandments that deal with the love of God and the Golden Rule.

You are confused JESUS and the Apostles upheld God's 10 commandments all through the new testament. Perhaps you need a new bible as yours has seemed to lost most of it's pages.

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Romans 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
6 Paul teaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Hebrews 8:10-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Ephesians 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Romans 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Romans 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Romans 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Romans 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Romans 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Romans 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Romans 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Galatians 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Romans 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Romans 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Hebrews 10:26-27)

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