lostwanderingsoul
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And it only takes one to tell us to remember the sabbath day
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COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?
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metis
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... if you're Jewish.
Please go back to the Book of Exodus and read for yourself or you'll just be making the same mistake over and over again. If you need help, please let me know and I'll get back with ya tomorrow.
74x12
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For the old Testament yes; but in the new Testament there is no Jew or Greek free or bond, male or female even. All are one in Christ. This is what people miss who insist the Law or 10 commandments have to be obeyed. They miss the fact that in the new Covenant you're literally a new creature in the new Covenant. Part of Jesus' own body and are therefore risen from the dead with Him. Which means you're not under the Laws that were made for this current age. You are of the kingdom of God and not subject to them. Because your flesh is dead and you're risen with Christ forever.
if indeed we are in the new Covenant because some people think they are and aren't.
Sabbath observance is being bound to this present world where you observe rules about the rising and setting of the temporal sun. Even Solomon said that vanity of vanities all is vanity. So everything under the sun is vain. The sabbath day comes and goes once a week. A cycle of 7 days ... yet the true sabbath of God will be eternal and never end. As it is written His rest shall be glorious ...
The Hebrew nation was an earthly nation. A nation of flesh and blood. They could never understand or please God truly in the flesh. But, waited for the promise of being made anew from the grave. Which is the resurrection in which they hoped.
John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
The nation of God is a spiritual people and not of this world but just passing through. They have begun the resurrection within themselves by Jesus Christ and our God is also a sun and shield ... so which sabbath do we want to partake of? The one by ol' Sol the gas star? Or the one in eternal light of God shining in the new Jerusalem?
lostwanderingsoul
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Well let me ask a question. If Jesus words were recorded in the New Testament, who was he speaking to? If it was only Jews, then Christians can ignore the whole New Testament. And when he said "keep the commandments", how many did he mean? 613? 10? none? Obviously it could not be none because he did not say" do not keep the commandments". So wether it was 10 or 613, the one about the sabbath was in there. And Genesis says God rested on the seventh day and blessed it and made it holy. Was that just for Jews or for everyone. Satan wants people to ignore God so what better way than to create a false sabbath? And the Satan inspired churches fell for it 100%.
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So, in the Roman Catholic Catechism, when it cites the Ten Commandments are to be kept by Christians, it cites Exodus and Deuteronomy:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Ten Commandments
Which of the Ten Commandments are "just for the Jews"? (which by the way, Moses was Hebrew of Levi (not Judah), and Zipporah his wife wasn't even of Israel).
God rested the 7th day in Genesis, is God merely "Jewish"?
sooda
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Which churches are "Satan inspired"?
3rdAngel
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Those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *MATTHEW 15:2-9; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; REVELATION 12:17
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This may help:
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
See also the Following thread on "the flesh" so specified by scripture (fallen, not unfallen):
A dialogue about Prophecy & doctrines between the WTS/JW & Seventh-day Adventist
A dialogue about Prophecy & doctrines between the WTS/JW & Seventh-day Adventist
A dialogue about Prophecy & doctrines between the WTS/JW & Seventh-day Adventist
A dialogue about Prophecy & doctrines between the WTS/JW & Seventh-day Adventist
A dialogue about Prophecy & doctrines between the WTS/JW & Seventh-day Adventist
Also see those that teach "immortal soul/spirit" theology which is spiritism - A dialogue about Prophecy & doctrines between the WTS/JW & Seventh-day Adventist
sooda
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JW and Adventists? Not for me.
I think calling churches "Satanic" is pretty sick.
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Hmm, Jesus didn't seem to have any issue doing so:
Luk_4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev_2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Joh_6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev_2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
'She' had 1,260 years.
John didn't seem to have any issues:
1Jn_3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev_18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev_3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Rev_18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Neither did Paul:
Act_13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Neither Peter:
Act_5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
3rdAngel
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What do you think AntiChrist means and do you think the false prophets and false Christs fortold by JESUS in the last days are inspired by God? For me I believe God's people are in every Church. That does not mean that the teachings of every Church are biblical and inspired by God. According to the scriptures the hour is coming and now is that God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God back to the pure Word of God.
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Right, that is why there is a final call to come out of the "many" false, into the one true "fold":
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Joh_10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
sooda
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Antichrists persecuted Christians.. like Nero and Domitian.
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Antichrists deal with church:
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
3rdAngel
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Anti = opposite; opposed to or against
Christ = the Word; the Messiah; Saviour; God
Antichrist therefore is anything; anyone or any teaching or any church that is opposed to or opposite of or against; the Word of God; JESUS and God
sooda
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Rev 18:4 is about the Whore of Babylon, apostate Jerusalem.
sooda
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In the first century when it was written it was about Nero and Domitian.. Some Christians called the Pope and JFK and Obama antichrist.
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Roman Catholicism teaches that she is the Whore of Babylon:
Revelation 12 and the "remnant" - Seventh-day Adventist movement, as noted in OP.
You can view an entire study on Revelation 12 here - Revelation 12 – The Great Controversy (Powerpoint)
Revelation 17 - the Great Whore (Roman Catholicism, of which I used to be a member of; Revelation 18:4) and her harlot daughters (apostate Christianity), as they themselves say in Cardinal Hans Urs Von Balthasar's "Casta Meretrix" theology.
It is why this plaque exists of the "Ecclesiarvm Mater" in Rome:
“It must be always clear that the one, holy, catholic and apostolic universal church is not the sister, but the mother of all the churches.”, “It's evident that it would go against the faith to consider the [Catholic] church as 'one' way of salvation 'alongside' those represented by other religions.” - Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger [later Pope Benedict XVI]; Article “Other churches are no sisters of ours, the Vatican insists”, by Lloyd Rundle, Monday, 4 September 2000; Other churches are no sisters of ours, the Vatican insists - Europe, World - The Independent
“The term Mother Church, however, as applied to Rome, has a special significance as indicating its headship of all churches.” - Filial (meaning daughter) Church, Catholic Encyclopedia; CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Filial Church
“The expression “Church of Rome”, it should be noted, though commonly applied by non-Catholics to the whole Catholic body, can only be used correctly in this secondary sense for the local diocese (or possibly the province) of Rome, mother and mistress of all Churches.” - Latin Church, Catholic Encyclopedia; CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Latin Church
“...11. Therefore Holy Mother Church, supported by these truths, while again recommending to the faithful the practice of indulgences as something very dear to the Christian people during the course of many centuries and in our days as well--this is proven by experience--does not in any way intend to diminish the value of other means of sanctification and purification, first and foremost among which are the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments, particularly the Sacrament of Penance. ...” - [Indulgentarium Doctrina; Apostolic Constitution on Indulgences; His Holiness Pope Paul VI; Promulgated on January 1, 1967] CATHOLIC LIBRARY: Indulgentarium Doctrina (1967)
“The term Mother Church, however, as applied to Rome, has a special significance as indicating its headship of all churches.” - Filial (meaning daughter) Church, Catholic Encyclopedia; CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Filial Church
“The expression “Church of Rome”, it should be noted, though commonly applied by non-Catholics to the whole Catholic body, can only be used correctly in this secondary sense for the local diocese (or possibly the province) of Rome, mother and mistress of all Churches.” - Latin Church, Catholic Encyclopedia; CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Latin Church
“...11. Therefore Holy Mother Church, supported by these truths, while again recommending to the faithful the practice of indulgences as something very dear to the Christian people during the course of many centuries and in our days as well--this is proven by experience--does not in any way intend to diminish the value of other means of sanctification and purification, first and foremost among which are the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Sacraments, particularly the Sacrament of Penance. ...” - [Indulgentarium Doctrina; Apostolic Constitution on Indulgences; His Holiness Pope Paul VI; Promulgated on January 1, 1967] CATHOLIC LIBRARY: Indulgentarium Doctrina (1967)
Roman Catholicism at the highest levels acknowledges that it is the church of Revelation 17:
Sinner Church? A Myth That Needs to Be Busted
Rome Admits it is the Great Whore:
Cast Meretrix [Ambrose], castum meretricium, meretrices virgines
Rabanus Maurus - Wikipedia
Hans Urs von Balthasar - Wikipedia
Cardinal Urs von Balthasar defines the Catholic Church as a prostitute - a Casta meretrix @ TraditionInAction.org
Balthasar used the expression Casta Meretrix to argue that the term Whore of Babylon was acceptable in a certain tradition of the Church, in the writings of Rabanus Maurus for instance.[16]
At Balthasar's funeral, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (later to become Pope Benedict XVI) said, speaking of Balthasar's work in general, "What the pope intended to express by this mark of distinction [elevation to the cardinalate], and of honor, remains valid, no longer only private individuals but the Church itself, in its official responsibility, tells us that he is right in what he teaches of the faith."[17]
^ Casta Meretrix: The Church as Harlot
- ^ Allen, John L. Jr. (November 28, 2003). "The Word From Rome". National Catholic Reporter 3 (15).
There are several reasons for making Hans Urs von Balthasar’s work “Casta Meretrix” available on newtorah.org. First and foremost, it gives some important patristic and mediaeval background to the interpretation of Babylon the ‘great prostitute’ (Rev 17-18) presented on this site (especially in: “The Metaphor of Prostitution in the Interpretation of Babylon in Revelation 17-18”; “Revelation 20,1-6: The Millennium and the Mystery of Iniquity”; “The Prostitute: Babylon the Great” and “Babylonian Theology Today”). It is a difficult subject for any Christian to confront, let alone a loyal Catholic. Von Balthasar’s study, however, helps to understand this interpretation within a very long tradition of Catholic interpretation. The second reason is that his work is itself a comprehensive demonstration of the ways in which leading churchman down the centuries have grappled with the past and present sins of the Church’s members, often approaching the prophetic denouncement of Babylon described in the Book of Revelation. Thirdly, the theological tradition formed by these churchmen encourages us, too, to be ever mindful of the constant need for repentance in the Church—a need that finds expression in a recent Papal appeal: "Whilst the second millennium of Christianity is coming to a close, it is right that the Church assumes responsibility for the sins of her children with greater awareness, remembering all those circumstances in which, during the course of history, they have distanced themselves from the Spirit of Christ and from his Gospel, offering to the world—instead of the testimony of a life inspired by the values of the Faith—the spectacle of ways of thinking and acting which were really forms of anti-testimony and of scandal" (Pope John Paul II, 'Tertio Millennio Adveniente', 33). As von Balthasar himself remarks at the beginning of this work: “Without endangering the immaculateness, holiness, and infallibility of the Church, one must look the other reality in the eye and not exclude it from consideration. Much would be gained if Christians learned more and more to realize at what price the holiness of the Church has been purchased.” With such a valuable role to play, it is unfortunate that von Balthasar’s study is so difficult to obtain and we are indebted to the Liturgical Press for granting us permission to reproduce their English translation of his work here. With their permission, then, the following essay is taken from 'Explorations in Theology, Vol II: Spouse of the Word', San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1991, pp. 193-288.
I have the entire work, you can read it here - http://www.newtorah.org/Casta Meretrix.html
Also, "Mother" Babylon, that Great Whore sits on 7 Mountains, as Rome does:
"...The Rome of the Kings was built on seven hills: the Aventine Hill, the Caelian Hill, the Capitoline Hill, the Esquiline Hill, the Palatine Hill, the Quirinal Hill, and the Viminal Hill. ..." [Wikipedia; Rome] - Rome - Wikipedia
"...Near the banks of the Tiber River, 2,700 years ago on seven hills, the foundation of Rome was laid. It is one of the most ancient cities in Europe. ... Rome is the capital city of Italy. Within Rome's enclave is Vatican City. The seat of the papacy of the Roman Catholic Church ... According to tradition, Rome was founded in 753 b.c. on one of the Seven Hills, a term coined to describe the Capitoline, Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian, Aventine, and Palatine hills surrounding the old community. ... First headquarters of the Roman Empire, and then of the Catholic Church, Rome has had an immense impact on social customs throughout the world. ... For a while, Rome was reduced to a few thousand residents and little power. But the next couple centuries uncovered a newfound strength. The growing importance of the papacy revived the city and rejuvenated its power. ... By the sixteenth century, the Catholic Church had accumulated extensive wealth and was therefore criticized by other reformed religions. Displays of grandeur and extravagance by the papal court contrasted vividly with the poverty of the people." [Online Encyclopedia; Junior Worldmark Encyclopedia of World Cities (2000); Rome] - Rome | Encyclopedia.com
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sooda
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Nobody thought the Catholic church was the Whore of Babylon until Martin Luther. That's how he attacked the church.
As you know Jerusalem sits on 7 hills.
Seven hills of Jerusalem are Mount of Olives, Mount Scopus, Mount of Corruption,Mount Ophel,the Original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the Hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.
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Yeah, that is not accurate, at all:
"... Arnulf (991), the Bishop of Orleans, proclaimed the Pope as the Antichrist, sitting in the temple of God, and showing himself as God.
Gherbert of Rheims (1000) said; the Pope was the antichrist sitting in the temple of God.
In the book of Waldensian Pastor Leger called “Treatise on Antichrist” written in 1120, said “That treatise brands the Romish Church as the harlot Babylon, and the Papacy as the “man of sin” and antichrist.”
Berenger (1200) said the Roman see to be not the apostolic seat, but the seat of Satan.
Eberhard II (1240), archbishop of Salzburg, affirmed that the Pope was the antichrist.
Waldensian Reinerius Saccho asserted “that the Romish church is not the church of Jesus Christ, but a church of malignants and that it apostatized under Sylvester—and that the Church of Rome is the harlot in the apocalypse.”
Michal of Cesena (1270-1342), who came out of the Franciscan Order of the Catholic Church, declared the Church of Rome to be the Whore of Babylon.
John Wycliffe (1330-1384) Who translated the Latin Vulgate Bible into English, said Antichrist, the head of all these evil men, is the pope of Rome.
Walter Brute (1391), a noted scholar, prophetic expositor and associate of Wycliffe; was martyred for saying the Pope is the Antichrist.
Matthias of Janow (a fourteenth-century Bohemian ecclesiastical writer.) said the Pope is the most wicked Christian, falsely styling himself by that name.
John Purvey (1354–1414), one of the leading followers of the English theologian and reformer John Wycliffe; said the Papacy was the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Sir John Oldcastle (1417), a follower of Wycliffe, proclaimed the Pope as the great Antichrist, the Son of Perdition, the open Adversary of God, and the Abomination standing in the holy place.
William White, a follower of John Wycliffe; said that the pope… is nothing else but a devilish estate and heavy yoke of antichrist, and therefore he is an enemy unto Christ’s truth.
John Huss (1372-1415), a well-educated man from Bohemia, who came under the influence of Wycliffe’s writings, which caused him to break with the church of Rome; proclaimed the Antichrist has been revealed in the Pope for which he was burned to death.
John Purvey, (1354-1428), who was a close associate of John Wycliffe, published a commentary on the Apocalypse in 1390 based on Wycliffe’s sermons; rightly and truly pronounced the Pope as Antichrist.
William Tyndale (1493-1536) was an English scholar who became a leading figure in Protestant Reformation; said the Pope is the antichrist and his doctrine sprung of the devil.
Huldreich Zwingli (1484-1531) was a great Swiss Reformer; proclaimed the might and power of the Devil, that is, of the Antichrist… the Papacy has to be abolished.
John Calvin (1509-1564) was an influential French theologian and pastor during the Protestant Reformation; said we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. ..." - Historical Witnesses Against Antichrist Summary
Gherbert of Rheims (1000) said; the Pope was the antichrist sitting in the temple of God.
In the book of Waldensian Pastor Leger called “Treatise on Antichrist” written in 1120, said “That treatise brands the Romish Church as the harlot Babylon, and the Papacy as the “man of sin” and antichrist.”
Berenger (1200) said the Roman see to be not the apostolic seat, but the seat of Satan.
Eberhard II (1240), archbishop of Salzburg, affirmed that the Pope was the antichrist.
Waldensian Reinerius Saccho asserted “that the Romish church is not the church of Jesus Christ, but a church of malignants and that it apostatized under Sylvester—and that the Church of Rome is the harlot in the apocalypse.”
Michal of Cesena (1270-1342), who came out of the Franciscan Order of the Catholic Church, declared the Church of Rome to be the Whore of Babylon.
John Wycliffe (1330-1384) Who translated the Latin Vulgate Bible into English, said Antichrist, the head of all these evil men, is the pope of Rome.
Walter Brute (1391), a noted scholar, prophetic expositor and associate of Wycliffe; was martyred for saying the Pope is the Antichrist.
Matthias of Janow (a fourteenth-century Bohemian ecclesiastical writer.) said the Pope is the most wicked Christian, falsely styling himself by that name.
John Purvey (1354–1414), one of the leading followers of the English theologian and reformer John Wycliffe; said the Papacy was the kingdom of the Antichrist.
Sir John Oldcastle (1417), a follower of Wycliffe, proclaimed the Pope as the great Antichrist, the Son of Perdition, the open Adversary of God, and the Abomination standing in the holy place.
William White, a follower of John Wycliffe; said that the pope… is nothing else but a devilish estate and heavy yoke of antichrist, and therefore he is an enemy unto Christ’s truth.
John Huss (1372-1415), a well-educated man from Bohemia, who came under the influence of Wycliffe’s writings, which caused him to break with the church of Rome; proclaimed the Antichrist has been revealed in the Pope for which he was burned to death.
John Purvey, (1354-1428), who was a close associate of John Wycliffe, published a commentary on the Apocalypse in 1390 based on Wycliffe’s sermons; rightly and truly pronounced the Pope as Antichrist.
William Tyndale (1493-1536) was an English scholar who became a leading figure in Protestant Reformation; said the Pope is the antichrist and his doctrine sprung of the devil.
Huldreich Zwingli (1484-1531) was a great Swiss Reformer; proclaimed the might and power of the Devil, that is, of the Antichrist… the Papacy has to be abolished.
John Calvin (1509-1564) was an influential French theologian and pastor during the Protestant Reformation; said we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. ..." - Historical Witnesses Against Antichrist Summary