COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[sooda]

Yeah, that is not accurate, at all:

"... Arnulf (991), the Bishop of Orleans, proclaimed the Pope as the Antichrist, sitting in the temple of God, and showing himself as God.

Gherbert of Rheims (1000) said; the Pope was the antichrist sitting in the temple of God.

In the book of Waldensian Pastor Leger called “Treatise on Antichrist” written in 1120, said “That treatise brands the Romish Church as the harlot Babylon, and the Papacy as the “man of sin” and antichrist.”

Berenger (1200) said the Roman see to be not the apostolic seat, but the seat of Satan.

Eberhard II (1240), archbishop of Salzburg, affirmed that the Pope was the antichrist.

Waldensian Reinerius Saccho asserted “that the Romish church is not the church of Jesus Christ, but a church of malignants and that it apostatized under Sylvester—and that the Church of Rome is the harlot in the apocalypse.”

Michal of Cesena (1270-1342), who came out of the Franciscan Order of the Catholic Church, declared the Church of Rome to be the Whore of Babylon.

John Wycliffe (1330-1384) Who translated the Latin Vulgate Bible into English, said Antichrist, the head of all these evil men, is the pope of Rome.

Walter Brute (1391), a noted scholar, prophetic expositor and associate of Wycliffe; was martyred for saying the Pope is the Antichrist.

Matthias of Janow (a fourteenth-century Bohemian ecclesiastical writer.) said the Pope is the most wicked Christian, falsely styling himself by that name.

John Purvey (1354–1414), one of the leading followers of the English theologian and reformer John Wycliffe; said the Papacy was the kingdom of the Antichrist.

Sir John Oldcastle (1417), a follower of Wycliffe, proclaimed the Pope as the great Antichrist, the Son of Perdition, the open Adversary of God, and the Abomination standing in the holy place.

William White, a follower of John Wycliffe; said that the pope… is nothing else but a devilish estate and heavy yoke of antichrist, and therefore he is an enemy unto Christ’s truth.

John Huss (1372-1415), a well-educated man from Bohemia, who came under the influence of Wycliffe’s writings, which caused him to break with the church of Rome; proclaimed the Antichrist has been revealed in the Pope for which he was burned to death.

John Purvey, (1354-1428), who was a close associate of John Wycliffe, published a commentary on the Apocalypse in 1390 based on Wycliffe’s sermons; rightly and truly pronounced the Pope as Antichrist.

William Tyndale (1493-1536) was an English scholar who became a leading figure in Protestant Reformation; said the Pope is the antichrist and his doctrine sprung of the devil.

Huldreich Zwingli (1484-1531) was a great Swiss Reformer; proclaimed the might and power of the Devil, that is, of the Antichrist… the Papacy has to be abolished.

John Calvin (1509-1564) was an influential French theologian and pastor during the Protestant Reformation; said we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. ..." - Historical Witnesses Against Antichrist Summary​

What do you think?

 

[coconut theology]

What do you think?

I think you'll say anything to justify transgression of the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) in its specific words.

Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.​

 

[coconut theology]

...As you know Jerusalem sits on 7 hills.

Seven hills of Jerusalem are Mount of Olives ...

Mt. Olivet is to the east of Jerusalem, about a Sabbath days journey, and therefore Jerusalem isn't sitting on it in any way:

Act_1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.​

I think you like to make stuff up.

 

[sooda]

I think you'll say anything to justify transgression of the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) in its specific words.

Rom_8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.​

Well, the Catholic church has certainly had some corrupt priests and popes.. but so has every other church right up to the present day.

As for the Sabbath.. What was the first day of creation ? Was it a Monday?

 

[coconut theology]

Well, the Catholic church has certainly had some corrupt priests and popes.. but so has every other church right up to the present day.

As for the Sabbath.. What was the first day of creation ? Was it a Monday?

God said when the sabbath was in Genesis, and again in Exodus and again in the days of Jesus (for he sinned not), etc.

What day did Jesus rise from the dead, that Christians supposedly celebrate? The day before is the Sabbath, the 7th day (Luke 23:54,56).

 

[sooda]

Mt. Olivet is to the east of Jerusalem, about a Sabbath days journey, and therefore Jerusalem isn't sitting on it in any way:

Act_1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey.​

I think you like to make stuff up.

You have never been there, have you?

 

[sooda]

God said when the sabbath was in Genesis, and again in Exodus and again in the days of Jesus (for he sinned not), etc.

What day did Jesus rise from the dead, that Christians supposedly celebrate? The day before is the Sabbath, the 7th day (Luke 23:54,56).

Really? How many calendars do you think there have been in the last 2500 years.. Did Exodus say Saturday?

 

[coconut theology]

You have never been there, have you?

Notice, Mt Olivet is not within the confines of Jerusalem. Never was, never will be. The boundary was the Kidron. New Jerusalem will settle on Mt. Olivet (Zechariah 14; Revelation 20).

 

[coconut theology]

Really? How many calendars do you think there have been in the last 2500 years.. Did Exodus say Saturday?

"Saturday" is pagan Roman time. It is not Bible time. Non-sequitur. Red-Herring. Straw man. Exodus said, "the seventh day". God spoke those words. He didn't stutter and God is the wonderful numberer.

Jesus said:

Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.​

 

[3rdAngel]

sooda said: ↑ I think calling churches "Satanic" is pretty sick.

Response...

What do you think AntiChrist means and do you think the false prophets and false Christs fortold by JESUS in the last days are inspired by God? For me I believe God's people are in every Church. That does not mean that the teachings of every Church are biblical and inspired by God. According to the scriptures the hour is coming and now is that God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God back to the pure Word of God.

Antichrists persecuted Christians.. like Nero and Domitian.

Response..

Anti = opposite; opposed to or against
Christ = the Word; the Messiah; Saviour; God

Antichrist therefore is anything; anyone or any teaching or any church that is opposed to or opposite of or against; the Word of God; JESUS and God

Your response...

In the first century when it was written it was about Nero and Domitian.. Some Christians called the Pope and JFK and Obama antichrist.

The scriptures says...

1 JOHN 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist shall come, EVEN NOW ARE THERE MANY ANTICHRISTS; WHEREBY WE KNOW THAT IT IS THE LAST TIME.

Your not following the conversation or the scriptures Soda (please read above) and try responding again.

Only provided as a help to the conversation you do not seem to be following it very well.

 

[sojourner]

"Saturday" is pagan Roman time. It is not Bible time. Non-sequitur. Red-Herring. Straw man. Exodus said, "the seventh day". God spoke those words. He didn't stutter and God is the wonderful numberer.

Jesus said:

Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.​

So, what you're saying is that we can't know which day is the 7th day because of the Roman calendar??

 

[coconut theology]

So, what you're saying is that we can't know which day is the 7th day because of the Roman calendar??

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Which churches are "Satan inspired"?

All that teach things that are different from what Jesus taught.

 

[sooda]

All that teach things that are different from what Jesus taught.

What Paul said Jesus taught, or Luke ?

 

[Ebionite]

What Paul said Jesus taught, or Luke ?

What about what Paul said when he was speaking for himself?

Galatians 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[sooda]

God said when the sabbath was in Genesis, and again in Exodus and again in the days of Jesus (for he sinned not), etc.

What day did Jesus rise from the dead, that Christians supposedly celebrate? The day before is the Sabbath, the 7th day (Luke 23:54,56).

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[coconut theology]

What about what Paul said when he was speaking for himself?

Galatians 5
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22
35 Then one of them, [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Love God:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:​

Ten Commandments, context of Deuteronomy 6:1-6, etc is Deuteronomy 5.

Love Neighbour:

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.​

In the context of "sin", which is transgression of God's Law and name/character.

 

[sooda]

Love God:

Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deu 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:​

Ten Commandments, context of Deuteronomy 6:1-6, etc is Deuteronomy 5.

Love Neighbour:

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.​

In the context of "sin", which is transgression of God's Law and name/character.

The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

 

[3rdAngel]

The 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

Here let me help. How many commandments are there in God's 10 Commandments that were written and spoken by God alone that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken?

Are there 9, 10 or 613? The answer to this question is found in the scriptures here.. *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4-5.

Do you know the difference between Gods eternal Law (10 Commandments) that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law that defines all the sanctuary laws, ceremonial laws, sacrificial laws for sin offerings, annual feastivals, Levitical priesthood as well as all the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL under the old covenant?

Just trying to help the discussion

 

[sooda]

Here let me help. How many commandments are there in God's 10 Commandments that were written and spoken by God alone that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken?

Are there 9, 10 or 613? The answer to this question is found in the scriptures here.. *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4-5.

Do you know the difference between Gods eternal Law (10 Commandments) that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law that defines all the sanctuary laws, ceremonial laws, sacrificial laws for sin offerings, annual feastivals, Levitical priesthood as well as all the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL under the old covenant?

Just trying to help the discussion

Moses is very likely a literary device since there is no evidence for the Exodus.

Exodus was written more than 800 years after Moses.

This would be the likely source.

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The sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi, enacted the code. A partial copy exists on a 2.25-metre-tall (7.5 ft) stone stele. It consists of 282 laws, with scaled punishments, adjusting "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" (lex talionis) as graded based on social stratification depending on social status and gender, of slave versus free, man versus woman.