COL 2:16 And The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?

[Muffled]

And I believe Jesus said in the new covrnrnt that we should "keep the commandments".

And I do keep the commandment of the sabbath by worshiping on Sunday. However I do not consider avoiding shellfish one of the ten commandments and I don't stone adulterers.

 

[Muffled]

These: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments) ?

I believe I see it as only ten.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So summary of this thread is COLOSSIANS 2:16 is in reference to the annual ceremonial sabbaths in feast days of the old covenant and not God's 4th commandment weekly seventh day Sabbath that is one of God's 10 commandments that gives us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11.

God bless.

That's your summary. Obviously many people have disagreed with you at various points in the thread. Most of us have tired of your inability to accept documentation.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

And I do keep the commandment of the sabbath by worshiping on Sunday. However I do not consider avoiding shellfish one of the ten commandments and I don't stone adulterers.

I have to unfortunately disagree on this one. I say unfortunately, because I do have an issue with sabbatarians that they are *obligated* to a seventh day sabbath worship. If they were only voluntarily keeping the seventh day, I would have no problem. But at least, if they opt to keep the commandment, they are keeping it on the correct day.

The church originally decided to create a new holy day -- the Day of the Lord, which was on the eighth day (the day Jesus supposedly rose). I have no problem with Christians keeping this day. It is, after all, your religion. It is only later in your history that you began arguing that the solemnity of the Sabbath was changed to Sunday -- this I cannot agree with, since it changed God's eternal laws.

But, as I began to say, the Sabbath law was given to Israel, not to the Gentile church. So whatever your reasoning for Sunday, worship and rest and more power to you.

 

[metis]

I believe I see it as only ten.

Did you open it up to where the 613 are located in the Torah, Genesis through Deuteronomy?

If you read where Moses in Exodus comes down from Mt. Sinai with the first 10 on stone tablets, keep reading because he continues on with more of the remaining 603 Commandments. It's right there in black & white.

In both the OT and the NT, this is what's referred to as the "Law", and there's many references to that in the remainder of the OT and then the NT.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Did you open it up to where the 613 are located in the Torah, Genesis through Deuteronomy?

If you read where Moses in Exodus comes down from Mt. Sinai with the first 10 on stone tablets, keep reading because he continues on with more of the remaining 603 Commandments. It's right there in black & white.

In both the OT and the NT, this is what's referred to as the "Law", and there's many references to that in the remainder of the OT and then the NT.

You hit the nail on the head.

Metis, have I ever told you that you are a very interesting fellow?

 

[metis]

You hit the nail on the head.

Metis, have I ever told you that you are a very interesting fellow?

Is that good or bad?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

And I do keep the commandment of the sabbath by worshiping on Sunday. However I do not consider avoiding shellfish one of the ten commandments and I don't stone adulterers.

Do you consider Sunday to be the first day of the week or the seventh? The idea behind the sabbath is that God rested on the seventh day and wants people to honor that day.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Is that good or bad?

Oh definitely good in my book. Boring is the kiss of death LOL.

 

[3rdAngel]

That's your summary. Obviously many people have disagreed with you at various points in the thread. Most of us have tired of your inability to accept documentation.

I doubt it what documentation have you provided that proves COLOSSIANS 2:16 is talking about the Sabbath. I am sorry I am not here to promote your agenda.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I doubt it what documentation have you provided that proves COLOSSIANS 2:16 is talking about the Sabbath. I am sorry I am not here to promote your agenda.

With you, the documentation is never documentation.

 

[3rdAngel]

Did you open it up to where the 613 are located in the Torah, Genesis through Deuteronomy?

If you read where Moses in Exodus comes down from Mt. Sinai with the first 10 on stone tablets, keep reading because he continues on with more of the remaining 603 Commandments. It's right there in black & white.

In both the OT and the NT, this is what's referred to as the "Law", and there's many references to that in the remainder of the OT and then the NT.

Heres a simply question that will help the conversation. How many commandments do the scriptures say are there in God's 10 commandments? Is there 9, 10 or 613?

Here let me help...

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them on two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke to you in the mount out of the middle of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them to me.

Yep seems like there are only 10 commandments that were written with the finder of God on tables of stone where God's 4th commandment sits.

 

[3rdAngel]

With you, the documentation is never documentation. That's why people get weary of arguing with you and leave.

Yet here we are nearly 12,000 posts latter? For me its best to use the scriptures. I believe only God's Word is the true test of what is true or not and we should believe and follow it over man-made traditions and teachings that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is hard to kick against the pricks and ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. I believe the scriptures teach God's Word will become our judge come judgement day *JOHN 12:47-48. Many are called but few will be chosen.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Heres a simply question that will help the conversation. How many commandments do the scriptures say are there in God's 10 commandments? Is there 9, 10 or 613?

Here let me help...

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them on two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke to you in the mount out of the middle of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them to me.

Yep seems like there are only 10 commandments that were written with the finder of God on tables of stone where God's 4th commandment sits.

This is an inane question. It is more than obvious to ANY reader that there are more than ten commandments.

Exodus 34:27
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

 

[3rdAngel]

This is an inane question. It is more than obvious to ANY reader that there are more than ten commandments. How many times does it say, "And the LORD said to Moses, speak to the Children of Israel, saying...X." That's the giving of a commandment, or a group of commandments. No way to get around it.

Why? Which of the scripture shared with you did you not believe telling you that there is only 10 Commandments in God's 10 Commandments? Was it *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13 of DEUTERONOMY 10:4?

How many commandments do the scriptures say there are in God's 10 commandments that were written on the two tables of stone by the finger of God? Is there 9, 10 or 613?

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them on two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke to you in the mount out of the middle of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them to me.

Yep seems according to the scriptures that there is 10 commandments all right that were written on the two tables of stone with the finger of God *EXODUS 32:16 and God's Word disagrees with you. I believe God's Word how about you dear friend?

The MOSIAC book of the law written by MOSES is not God's LAW written by God on two tables of stone that are the 10 words or 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of Good and evil; Sin and Righteousness.

Hope this helps.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Yet here we are nearly 12,000 posts latter? For me its best to use the scriptures. I believe only God's Word is the true test of what is true or not and we should believe and follow it over man-made traditions and teachings that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4. It is hard to kick against the pricks and ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear. I believe the scriptures teach God's Word will become our judge come judgement day *JOHN 12:47-48. Many are called but few will be chosen.

Sometimes the scriptures show nothing one way or the other. Sometimes you need to check regular historical documentation. And there is nothing wrong with that. After all, you accept that George Washington existed? So I know that you DO accept historical documentation.

 

[3rdAngel]

This is an inane question. It is more than obvious to ANY reader that there are more than ten commandments.

Exodus 34:27
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

Sometimes the scriptures show nothing one way or the other. Sometimes you need to check regular historical documentation. And there is nothing wrong with that. After all, you accept that George Washington existed? So I know that you DO accept historical documentation.

Well pretty clear to me. What is it you do not understand in these scriptures showing that God wrote 10 Commandments on two tables of stone?

EXODUS 32:16, And the tables were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God, graven on the tables.

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them on two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke to you in the mount out of the middle of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them to me.

Yep that is pretty clear to me. I believe that the scriptures do teach though, that sometimes we only see what we want to see *ISAIAH 6:9-10.

There is nothing wrong with the scriptures.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Why? Which of the scripture shared with you did you not believe telling you that there is only 10 Commandments in God's 10 Commandments? Was it *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13 of DEUTERONOMY 10:4?

How many commandments do the scriptures say there are in God's 10 commandments that were written on the two tables of stone by the finger of God? Is there 9, 10 or 613?

EXODUS 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote on the tables the words of the covenant, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

DEUTERONOMY 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them on two tables of stone.

DEUTERONOMY 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the TEN COMMANDMENTS, which the LORD spoke to you in the mount out of the middle of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them to me.

Yep seems according to the scriptures that there is 10 commandments all right that were written on the two tables of stone with the finger of God *EXODUS 32:16 and God's Word disagrees with you. I believe God's Word how about you dear friend?

The MOSIAC book of the law written by MOSES is not God's LAW written by God on two tables of stone that are the 10 words or 10 Commandments that give us the knowledge of Good and evil; Sin and Righteousness.

Hope this helps.

I need only this one verse:
Exodus 34:27
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

God says this after giving explicit instructions (commandments) that are not part of the ten, such as Thou shalt not boil a kid in its own mother's milk.

I'm not saying that these laws apply to non-Jews. I'm simply saying that there are far more than 10 laws.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well pretty clear to me. What is it you do not understand in these scriptures showing that God wrote 10 Commandments on two tables of stone?

What is it that you don't understand about the fact that there were many more commandments given by God that were spoken to Moses to give to Israel? (Which were written down.)

 

[3rdAngel]

I need only this one verse:
Exodus 34:27
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

God says this after giving explicit instructions (commandments) that are not part of the ten, such as Thou shalt not boil a kid in its own mother's milk.

I'm not saying that these laws apply to non-Jews. I'm simply saying that there are far more than 10 laws.

I see so you provide a verse talking about the Mosaic book of the law and you believe this deletes the scriptures showing that Gods' LAW which are the 10 commandments written with the finger of God on two tables of stone no longer exist? For me I believe all the scriptures and when God's Word (not mine) says that God wrote 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin and righteousness are on two tables of stone that is what God's Word says. They are Gods' Word not mine and EXODUS 34:27 does not delete *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4