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Columbia personifies USA

Spiderman

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She looks sorrowful in a subtle way.

Columbia (/kəˈlʌmbiə/; kə-LUM-bee-ə) is the personification of the United States. It was also a historical name used by some Europeans and Americans to describe the Americas, the New World. It is also a name given to the "Spirit of the Frontier" of which was used to illustrate manifest destiny[citation needed] among several other American political causes. It has given rise to the names of many persons, places, objects, institutions and companies, e.g. Columbia University, the District of Columbia (the national capital of the United States) and the ship Columbia Rediviva, which would give its name to the Columbia River.

Images of the Statue of Liberty largely displaced personified Columbia as the female symbol of the United States by around 1920, although Lady Liberty was seen as an aspect of Columbia.[1] The District of Columbia is named after the personification, as is the traditional patriotic hymn Hail Columbia, which is the official vice presidential anthem of the United States Vice President.
Columbia (name) - Wikipedia

Just so everyone knows the woman who personifies the United States. She's tuff! :smileycat:
 

Spiderman

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At the saint Paul Capitol Building there's paintings of her topless. Quite interesting!

She can beat Mother Russia at most things.
 

lewisnotmiller

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I'll hard pass on Columbia if she's anything to do with the 'Spirit of the Frontier' and that includes manifest destiny.
 

lewisnotmiller

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Either, actually!

Hmm....interesting question. Not sure if I can do it justice, since I've studied American history more than Australian. But I'll give you my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.

If I compare US and Australian attitudes (in general terms) there seems to be more similarities than differences.
Much as the Gast painting shown above seems to see westward progress as bringing light to the dark, knowledge (the book) and technology (the telegraph wire) to untamed lands, so too did Australian attitudes centre around western culture being 'better' and representing civilization. And civilization was almost universally seen as 'good'.

Indeed, the Victoria government (back before we were federated) actually used the term 'Manifest Destiny' in a document (late 1800's) in which they proposed annexing Pacific nations (Samoa from memory, might be wrong on that) in order to bring stability and economic growth to the region.

But for a variety of reasons, I don't believe we were ever going to have wholesale frontierism in the way the States seems to have had. Arable land in Australia isn't rare (compared to the small population) and it's almost entirely centered around the edges of the continent, particularly the South East. Outside of that, there are massive tracts of desert, which (to this day) have very limited infrastructure, and are very difficult to survive.

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Looking at that, you more or less can draw a line from Sydney to Melbourne in the green, fertile stretch to the east, while all of Tasmania (the small island to the south) is fertile.
Rather than expansion across a map, our history was more establishment of small colonies on a repeated basis, mostly either by sea, or where gold was found. In some cases the colonies prospered (eg. Perth originated from the Swan River Colony) and in some cases they didn't (eg. Windsor), but it wasn't really possible for an individual to up and leave an established colony to travel across the country to the 'less-developed' lands in the same way one could in the US.

To me, the arguments by Frederick Jackson Turner on American individualism, and the role the frontier played in establishing it are interesting, but I suspect a little overplayed. Still, you guys have ended up celebrating a particular brand of freedom, and individuality we don't subscribe to here, to the same degree. Perhaps our unique geography forced us to rely on mates through our inception?
 

Kirran

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Hmm....interesting question. Not sure if I can do it justice, since I've studied American history more than Australian. But I'll give you my thoughts, for whatever they are worth.

If I compare US and Australian attitudes (in general terms) there seems to be more similarities than differences.
Much as the Gast painting shown above seems to see westward progress as bringing light to the dark, knowledge (the book) and technology (the telegraph wire) to untamed lands, so too did Australian attitudes centre around western culture being 'better' and representing civilization. And civilization was almost universally seen as 'good'.

Indeed, the Victoria government (back before we were federated) actually used the term 'Manifest Destiny' in a document (late 1800's) in which they proposed annexing Pacific nations (Samoa from memory, might be wrong on that) in order to bring stability and economic growth to the region.

But for a variety of reasons, I don't believe we were ever going to have wholesale frontierism in the way the States seems to have had. Arable land in Australia isn't rare (compared to the small population) and it's almost entirely centered around the edges of the continent, particularly the South East. Outside of that, there are massive tracts of desert, which (to this day) have very limited infrastructure, and are very difficult to survive.

rainfall_climate.gif


Looking at that, you more or less can draw a line from Sydney to Melbourne in the green, fertile stretch to the east, while all of Tasmania (the small island to the south) is fertile.
Rather than expansion across a map, our history was more establishment of small colonies on a repeated basis, mostly either by sea, or where gold was found. In some cases the colonies prospered (eg. Perth originated from the Swan River Colony) and in some cases they didn't (eg. Windsor), but it wasn't really possible for an individual to up and leave an established colony to travel across the country to the 'less-developed' lands in the same way one could in the US.

To me, the arguments by Frederick Jackson Turner on American individualism, and the role the frontier played in establishing it are interesting, but I suspect a little overplayed. Still, you guys have ended up celebrating a particular brand of freedom, and individuality we don't subscribe to here, to the same degree. Perhaps our unique geography forced us to rely on mates through our inception?

Thanks lewisnotmiller!

I tend to feel that if there is any country with a culture closest to the UK's, it's Australia.
 

lewisnotmiller

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Thanks lewisnotmiller!

I tend to feel that if there is any country with a culture closest to the UK's, it's Australia.

Makes sense, since we largely originated from there, and didn't do the breakaway thing. I'm both of English heritage and a staunch republican, so I'm not sure where that places me as a culture carrier...lol

I will say, my sense of humour and some of how I carry myself has strong British roots, I would say.
 

Kirran

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Makes sense, since we largely originated from there, and didn't do the breakaway thing. I'm both of English heritage and a staunch republican, so I'm not sure where that places me as a culture carrier...lol

I will say, my sense of humour and some of how I carry myself has strong British roots, I would say.

I'm British and republican. So I think you are on firm ground!

You been to the UK? Ireland?
 
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lewisnotmiller

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I'm British and republican. So I think you are on firm ground!

You been to the UK? Ireland?

Nope. In relation to Europe, I've only been to some of the Nordic countries.
Typical Australian mixed heritage, with German great-grandparents on one branch...but my grandfather was English. Came to Australia when he was a young man, and joined up and served in the Australian Army during WW2.
He was a sergeant-major...I can only imagine how a big, tall, tough Englishman was viewed by the Australian soldiers he served with...lol

Anyway...he held his accent until the end, strangely.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Nope. In relation to Europe, I've only been to some of the Nordic countries.
Typical Australian mixed heritage, with German great-grandparents on one branch...but my grandfather was English. Came to Australia when he was a young man, and joined up and served in the Australian Army during WW2.
He was a sergeant-major...I can only imagine how a big, tall, tough Englishman was viewed by the Australian soldiers he served with...lol

Anyway...he held his accent until the end, strangely.

I guess anyway the Australians never had that break from Britain and Britishness like the Americans did.

Probably around the time your English grandfather (what accent did have - broad Cockney, thick Yorkshire...?) came it was more along the lines of a British region than a country!
 

lewisnotmiller

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I guess anyway the Australians never had that break from Britain and Britishness like the Americans did.

Probably around the time your English grandfather (what accent did have - broad Cockney, thick Yorkshire...?) came it was more along the lines of a British region than a country!

Nah, he's not THAT far back, but definitely more a hybrid than anything.
(We became federated in 1900, and WW1 forced us to become more independent, in some ways. Build our own myths and personality)

He's from the Midlands, so not as extreme as all that. Just very persistent.
 

Kirran

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Nah, he's not THAT far back, but definitely more a hybrid than anything.
(We became federated in 1900, and WW1 forced us to become more independent, in some ways. Build our own myths and personality)

He's from the Midlands, so not as extreme as all that. Just very persistent.

Interesting! Cool country. Might visit.

Hey plenty of Midlanders have an accent quite different to RP!
 
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