Comey's Testimony

[leibowde84]

Congress just has to vote to impeach the president. It's a political game. Impeachment is not a matter of justice. It's just a way to remove someone who was voted into office.

They don't have to justify his removal. As long as their in office. You've been voted in, you've been given power. Between elections the public have very little control over what happens in Washington.

What happens with Trump now is up to the politicians in Washington. I wonder how many Trump can buy off?

Well, if he tries to "buy off" anyone, that will surely be obstruction of justice. But, since the Republicans control all of congress, I think it will be really tough finding anything they would impeach him on.

 

[leibowde84]

How?
Assuming you or I can hold a politician accountable between elections.

The truth is IMO politicians are not held accountable. They get elected in, do whatever crappy job they do, then they leave. That's pretty much the end of the story.

Even during elections it's a popularity contest. Never who'd most qualified, it's however can get the most votes.

The most accountability you're going to get is Trump will be removed from office at the whim of Washington politicians and Pence will take over. Big deal. Trump will go on with his life, maybe, well if you're impeached you can't run for office again, but if he resigns, then runs and wins as a Democrat, that would be hilarious.

It will never happen? That's how silly I think politics are.

If Trump committed a crime, he wouldn't just get removed from office. He would be criminally prosecuted. It would be political suicide if a crime is proven and the Republicans try to block prosecution.

 

[Revoltingest]

If Trump committed a crime, he wouldn't just get removed from office. He would be criminally prosecuted. It would be political suicide if a crime is proven and the Republicans try to block prosecution.

That would depend upon the crime.
Presidents commit them regularly, so the questtion is whether
it's a crime which large enuf bodies would pursue or block.
We don't know....yet.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, if he tries to "buy off" anyone, that will surely be obstruction of justice. But, since the Republicans control all of congress, I think it will be really tough finding anything they would impeach him on.

There are lots of ways to buy off politicians. Support their bill support their reelection, support their appointment or the appointment of their buddy. Doesn't necessarily rise to the level of obstruction.

But yes I agree, unless Democrats somehow take over.

 

[Nakosis]

If Trump committed a crime, he wouldn't just get removed from office. He would be criminally prosecuted. It would be political suicide if a crime is proven and the Republicans try to block prosecution.

If he was convicted of a crime I doubt the republicans would have any choice except to impeach him.

 

[columbus]

If he was convicted of a crime I doubt the republicans would have any choice except to impeach him.

Which is why I expect them to obstruct instead of having to deal with it.
Although Trump has plenty of enemies on the red side. Who knows what they might do in the way of sabotaging the obstruction?
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Tom

 

[Nakosis]

Which is why I expect them to obstruct instead of having to deal with it.
Although Trump has plenty of enemies on the red side. Who knows what they might do in the way of sabotaging the obstruction?
Politics makes strange bedfellows.
Tom

Well, I'm not arguing, except I don't think it is strange. It's just SOP for politics IMO.

 

[leibowde84]

If he was convicted of a crime I doubt the republicans would have any choice except to impeach him.

I think impeachment would necessarily come first.

 

[Nakosis]

I think impeachment would necessarily come first.

Looks like you're right.

No clear legal answer exists to the question of whether a sitting President can be indicted and prosecuted. The Attorney General’s Office of Legal Counsel has considered this issue in depth twice in the past half-century – in 1973, in connection with President Richard Nixon’s role in Watergate, and again in 2000, after President Bill Clinton was acquitted of impeachment charges. On both occasions, federal lawyers in the Attorney General’s office apparently determined that the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President was impermissible and unconstitutional because it would undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/inside...-allegations-of-past-misconduct/#1a219d04491b

 

[Ben Dhyan]

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[tytlyf]

If he was convicted of a crime I doubt the republicans would have any choice except to impeach him.

Oh, but here's the rub. The GOP would be more than happy to sign on to impeach him. They're the ones leaking information and getting all this stuff out. The GOP didn't want Trump to be president long before the election.
If you listen to Rush, who himself is an insider deep state GOP elitist, he warned before the election that the GOP would sabotage him. Rush is a GOP establishment insider, he's paid very well to target heartland America.
And that's what we're seeing. Democrats don't have anything on the GOP and what they're doing.

 

[Nakosis]

Oh, but here's the rub. The GOP would be more than happy to sign on to impeach him. They're the ones leaking information and getting all this stuff out. The GOP didn't want Trump to be president long before the election.
If you listen to Rush, who himself is an insider deep state GOP elitist, he warned before the election that the GOP would sabotage him. Rush is a GOP establishment insider, he's paid very well to target heartland America.
And that's what we're seeing. Democrats don't have anything on the GOP and what they're doing.

I suppose they'll be happy to get Pence in place.

 

[tytlyf]

I suppose they'll be happy to get Pence in place.

There's a reason the 'never Trumpers" exist. Those 'conservatives' are bought and paid for by the GOP.

Stop Trump movement - Wikipedia

 

[leibowde84]

Oh, but here's the rub. The GOP would be more than happy to sign on to impeach him. They're the ones leaking information and getting all this stuff out. The GOP didn't want Trump to be president long before the election.
If you listen to Rush, who himself is an insider deep state GOP elitist, he warned before the election that the GOP would sabotage him. Rush is a GOP establishment insider, he's paid very well to target heartland America.
And that's what we're seeing. Democrats don't have anything on the GOP and what they're doing.

Rush is also a blatant liar with an absolute disregard for the truth ... almost a hatred for it. I listen to him quite a bit, just to get a sense of what the ultra-far right is thinking, and it is mostly untrue.

If you think politicians are dishonest, Rush puts them to shame.

That being said, I can't say for sure, but many in the GOP are bending over backwards to try to defend trump. I mean, look at Paul Ryan ... "he's new at this". Give me a break.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Congress just has to vote to impeach the president. It's a political game. Impeachment is not a matter of justice. It's just a way to remove someone who was voted into office.

Impeachment does not remove and official from office. Rather, it is the process of formally charging the official with a crime. Removing them from office is another process and another vote.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If Trump committed a crime, he wouldn't just get removed from office.

Clinton was impeached, but not removed from office.

 

[tytlyf]

Rush is also a blatant liar with an absolute disregard for the truth ... almost a hatred for it. I listen to him quite a bit, just to get a sense of what the ultra-far right is thinking, and it is mostly untrue.

If you think politicians are dishonest, Rush puts them to shame.

That being said, I can't say for sure, but many in the GOP are bending over backwards to try to defend trump. I mean, look at Paul Ryan ... "he's new at this". Give me a break.

Whenever I'm in the car between noon and 3, I listen to Rush. I listen to Hannity after that and Beck before the 2. It's entertaining. But definitely not something to take seriously. They lie all day long, but the GOP has to use these outlets to convince people to support the GOP. It's tough to get a lot of people voting for corporate policy.
Rush is a very smart individual, he just uses that intellect as a 'job'.
Paul Ryan, Newt Gingrich, John Boehner.....all the same. Heavy GOP establishment. Karl Rove, Reince Priebus, Devin Nunes, Jason Chaffetz, Trey Gowdy. Fox hires a lot of GOP establishment, but that's supposed to be a secret.

 

[leibowde84]

Clinton was impeached, but not removed from office.

OK ... what does that have to do with anything?