comments on the Qur'an whether good or bad

[Jabar]

Mate, it is you who claim that God crippled us to test us or whatever. And you cant answer why God would discriminate poor crippled individuals. The guy gets his testicles smashed and he cant even find solace in the church.

If there is no answer that's fine, but humbly I tell you, that you are circumventing.

That's fine.

You say my God cripples us to test us. Let me tell you plainly, the answer is no. God does not cripple us.

Any good that befalls you is due to God, and any evil that befalls you is due to yourself. We have sent you as a messenger to the people and God is enough as a witness. - Quran 4:79

They say 1 out of 30 babies born in this world has a birth defect. In the U.S its 1 out of 33. During a woman's pregnancy, taking folic acid and getting enough iodine in the food can help prevent some types of birth defects. But it's also important to realize that most babies born with birth defects are born to two healthy parents with no obvious health problems or risk factors. In most cases, doctors don't know what caused a baby's birth defect. When the cause is known, it might be environmental (such as a baby's exposure to chemicals or viruses while in the womb), a problem with the fetus' genes, or a combination of these things. There are many genetic causes too. Doctors don't know what causes most disabilities, and certainly God doesn't cause it.

But the fact in the Quran is that all are equal in salvation. Just because you are crippled, that does not have any weight in your salvation.

Nevertheless, your question would be "Why does God allow it"? The counter question would be, should God disallow it. This is why I explained about God in a long post. This requires a full exegesis. A whole book. The day I am done, Ill send you a copy.

Exactly.

 

[Yasin-shalal]

Elaborate on 2, what do you mean it was our choice?

I'd better know what your religion is and what exactly your sect is (curious!).
I am going to use Quranic verses and the Hadith collection of Shia Muslims to explain.
Description:
This world is not the first world which we have experienced. We have met God before coming to this world. We saw how precious "Amanat" (A close meaning is Trust) is; hence, we admitted to take the test to achieve high degrees. All the creatures refused but the human wanted to take the chance.

Quran 33:72
Indeed, we offered the Trust (Amanat) to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant.

We were creatures but not like we are now. We were Human in its perfect meaning. Not limited in flesh. we all promised God to bear Amanat and not to follow Satan.

Quran 36:60-62
Did I not enjoin upon you (Did I not make pact with you), O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy - And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path. And he had already led astray from among you much of creation, so did you not use reason?

We took some tests before this world, some of us admitted to accept some things and some of us rejected some humans by our own choices. According to the test results and our choices some humans got high degrees and became prophets; some other people became disbelievers ;some humans Christians; some humans Muslims and some ....

Now we are here to pass the last test in a world full of limitation. In fact this is a fake world with full of limitations. We are prisoners in time and flesh. The time is not real for us. Nothing is real here.

Quran 23:112
[ Allah ] will say, "How long did you remain on earth in number of years?"
They will say, "We remained a day or part of a day; ask those who enumerate."
He will say, "You stayed not but a little - if only you had known.

 

[anonymous9887]

Some people are tested differently.

God never created us to be perfect, we repent and learn from our sins.

Makes much sense actually.

That is not correct, if one is on the old covenant only then one can or reject the new covenant. You cannot have both of them.
Where is Jehovah mentioned by Jesus. The Christian-Jesus had got nothing to do with Jehovah.
Regards

This is why I can't trust what yous say, because you don't know.
1. Jesus quoted many passages from the Hebrew scriptures for example mark 13:29 love YHWH your god with all your heart.

 

[anonymous9887]

I'd better know what your religion is and what exactly your sect is (curious!).
I am going to use Quranic verses and the Hadith collection of Shia Muslims to explain.
Description:
This world is not the first world which we have experienced. We have met God before coming to this world. We saw how precious "Amanat" (A close meaning is Trust) is; hence, we admitted to take the test to achieve high degrees. All the creatures refused but the human wanted to take the chance.

Quran 33:72
Indeed, we offered the Trust (Amanat) to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant.

We were creatures but not like we are now. We were Human in its perfect meaning. Not limited in flesh. we all promised God to bear Amanat and not to follow Satan.

Quran 36:60-62
Did I not enjoin upon you (Did I not make pact with you), O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy - And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path. And he had already led astray from among you much of creation, so did you not use reason?

We took some tests before this world, some of us admitted to accept some things and some of us rejected some humans by our own choices. According to the test results and our choices some humans got high degrees and became prophets; some other people became disbelievers ;some humans Christians; some humans Muslims and some ....

Now we are here to pass the last test in a world full of limitation. In fact this is a fake world with full of limitations. We are prisoners in time and flesh. The time is not real for us. Nothing is real here.

Quran 23:112
[ Allah ] will say, "How long did you remain on earth in number of years?"
They will say, "We remained a day or part of a day; ask those who enumerate."
He will say, "You stayed not but a little - if only you had known.

I am a Jehovah's Witness.
You provided the best answer. Not convinced but I'll give you it was a good answer. ☺

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
That is not correct, if one is on the old covenant only then one can or reject the new covenant. You cannot have both of them.
Where is Jehovah mentioned by Jesus. The Christian-Jesus had got nothing to do with Jehovah.
Regards

This is why I can't trust what yous say, because you don't know.
1. Jesus quoted many passages from the Hebrew scriptures for example mark 13:29 love YHWH your god with all your heart.

I never asked you to trust us.
We were asking you about the Christian-Scripture that was never Authored by a Christian-Jesus because Jesus was always a Jew and he never got converted to Christianity. Since, Jesus was a Jew so sure he could quote from the scripture he believed that is OT-Bible. But is not ethically or morally appropriate to quote from a Jewish scripture. Just binding OT and NT in one volume does not make it a Christian scripture. It is a sort of high-handedness with the Jews.
So, please put your questions to your own scriptures and give us answers where Jesus-Christian-god spoke about them in the same, and no spoon-feeding to him, please. Let Jesus speak for himself. Please
Please also quote from the Christian-scripture NT where Jesus spoke the word Jehovah from his mouth about himself clearly.
Then of course I will give the answers to your valid questions, if any, from Quran and G-d, please rest assured.
Regards

 

[anonymous9887]

I'd better know what your religion is and what exactly your sect is (curious!).
I am going to use Quranic verses and the Hadith collection of Shia Muslims to explain.
Description:
This world is not the first world which we have experienced. We have met God before coming to this world. We saw how precious "Amanat" (A close meaning is Trust) is; hence, we admitted to take the test to achieve high degrees. All the creatures refused but the human wanted to take the chance.

Quran 33:72
Indeed, we offered the Trust (Amanat) to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant.

We were creatures but not like we are now. We were Human in its perfect meaning. Not limited in flesh. we all promised God to bear Amanat and not to follow Satan.

Quran 36:60-62
Did I not enjoin upon you (Did I not make pact with you), O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy - And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path. And he had already led astray from among you much of creation, so did you not use reason?

We took some tests before this world, some of us admitted to accept some things and some of us rejected some humans by our own choices. According to the test results and our choices some humans got high degrees and became prophets; some other people became disbelievers ;some humans Christians; some humans Muslims and some ....

Now we are here to pass the last test in a world full of limitation. In fact this is a fake world with full of limitations. We are prisoners in time and flesh. The time is not real for us. Nothing is real here.

Quran 23:112
[ Allah ] will say, "How long did you remain on earth in number of years?"
They will say, "We remained a day or part of a day; ask those who enumerate."
He will say, "You stayed not but a little - if only you had known.

1. First off who is "we" when it says "we" offered this trust to the heavens, the earth, and the mountains?
2. How can the mountains and heavens have any consciousness?
3. So if we existed before in heaven what was the purpose of god creating every creature?
What was his purpose in creating us.
4. So just to confirm in this world we agreed to this suffering and testing?
5. If god is all knowing why didn't he tell the people who went gonna make it not to?

 

[anonymous9887]

paarsurrey said: ↑
That is not correct, if one is on the old covenant only then one can or reject the new covenant. You cannot have both of them.
Where is Jehovah mentioned by Jesus. The Christian-Jesus had got nothing to do with Jehovah.
Regards

I never asked you to trust us.
We were asking you about the Christian-Scripture that was never Authored by a Christian-Jesus because Jesus was always a Jew and he never got converted to Christianity. Since, Jesus was a Jew so sure he could quote from the scripture he believed that is OT-Bible. But is not ethically or morally appropriate to quote from a Jewish scripture. Just binding OT and NT in one volume does not make it a Christian scripture. It is a sort of high-handedness.
So, please put your questions to your own scriptures and give us answers where Jesus-Christian-god spoke about them in the same, and no spoon-feeding to him, please. Let Jesus speak for himself. Please
Then of course I will give the answers to your valid questions, if any, from Quran and G-d.
Regards

Do you not understand that Jesus and God are not the same. Jesus is God's mightiest instrument ever.

 

[anonymous9887]

paarsurrey said: ↑
That is not correct, if one is on the old covenant only then one can or reject the new covenant. You cannot have both of them.
Where is Jehovah mentioned by Jesus. The Christian-Jesus had got nothing to do with Jehovah.
Regards

I never asked you to trust us.
We were asking you about the Christian-Scripture that was never Authored by a Christian-Jesus because Jesus was always a Jew and he never got converted to Christianity. Since, Jesus was a Jew so sure he could quote from the scripture he believed that is OT-Bible. But is not ethically or morally appropriate to quote from a Jewish scripture. Just binding OT and NT in one volume does not make it a Christian scripture. It is a sort of high-handedness.
So, please put your questions to your own scriptures and give us answers where Jesus-Christian-god spoke about them in the same, and no spoon-feeding to him, please. Let Jesus speak for himself. Please
Then of course I will give the answers to your valid questions, if any, from Quran and G-d.
Regards

By the way in other threads I asked you to answer my question about John 10:30 and when Jesus son of man must be put to death.

If you don't answer questions or have a conversation then you don't deserve an answer. Your bringing up points with out answering the charges I bring. So please leave me alone unless you want to have a conversation.

 

[anonymous9887]

I'd better know what your religion is and what exactly your sect is (curious!).
I am going to use Quranic verses and the Hadith collection of Shia Muslims to explain.
Description:
This world is not the first world which we have experienced. We have met God before coming to this world. We saw how precious "Amanat" (A close meaning is Trust) is; hence, we admitted to take the test to achieve high degrees. All the creatures refused but the human wanted to take the chance.

Quran 33:72
Indeed, we offered the Trust (Amanat) to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertook to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant.

We were creatures but not like we are now. We were Human in its perfect meaning. Not limited in flesh. we all promised God to bear Amanat and not to follow Satan.

Quran 36:60-62
Did I not enjoin upon you (Did I not make pact with you), O children of Adam, that you not worship Satan - [for] indeed, he is to you a clear enemy - And that you worship [only] Me? This is a straight path. And he had already led astray from among you much of creation, so did you not use reason?

We took some tests before this world, some of us admitted to accept some things and some of us rejected some humans by our own choices. According to the test results and our choices some humans got high degrees and became prophets; some other people became disbelievers ;some humans Christians; some humans Muslims and some ....

Now we are here to pass the last test in a world full of limitation. In fact this is a fake world with full of limitations. We are prisoners in time and flesh. The time is not real for us. Nothing is real here.

Quran 23:112
[ Allah ] will say, "How long did you remain on earth in number of years?"
They will say, "We remained a day or part of a day; ask those who enumerate."
He will say, "You stayed not but a little - if only you had known.

So is there humans in heaven right now with god making a pact with him?

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you not understand that Jesus and God are not the same. Jesus is God's mightiest instrument ever.

Please quote from the Christian-scripture NT Gospels where Jesus said in so many words that he is/was an "instrument", again please no putting words into the mouth of Jesus that he never spoke. Please don't make Jesus a dumb person, he never was like this.
Regards

 

[anonymous9887]

Wow its all over the book of john. Lol

 

[anonymous9887]

Please quote from the Christian-scripture NT Gospels where Jesus said in so many words that he is/was an "instrument", again please no putting words into the mouth of Jesus that he never spoke. Please don't make Jesus a dumb person, he never was like this.
Regards

Wow its all over the book of John

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Please quote from the Christian-scripture NT Gospels where Jesus said in so many words that he is/was an "instrument", again please no putting words into the mouth of Jesus that he never spoke. Please don't make Jesus a dumb person, he never was like this.
Regards

Wow its all over the book of John

John is not Jesus. Please quote from him chapter:verse.
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

By the way in other threads I asked you to answer my question about John 10:30 and when Jesus son of man must be put to death.
If you don't answer questions or have a conversation then you don't deserve an answer. Your bringing up points with out answering the charges I bring. So please leave me alone unless you want to have a conversation.

John 10:30(NIV)
30 I and the Father are one.

Jesus had no father literally and physically. Pleas name the name of Jesus' father from his mouth, and please don't spoon feed him, let him speak for himself.
Regards

 

[Yasin-shalal]

I am a Jehovah's Witness.
You provided the best answer. Not convinced but I'll give you it was a good answer. ☺

I'd be glad if I can answer your questions.
Interesting sect of Christianity. To be frank it's the first time that I have done research on such a sect "Jehovah's Witness".
All my information on your sect is limited to internet which is not a reliable source. Do you really believe in the following statements:
1- You reject Trinitarianism and you think that God is one, never divided into three.
2- You prefer to have a theocracy in the society and you regard secular governments, as the government of Satan.

 

[Yasin-shalal]

So is there humans in heaven right now with god making a pact with him?

Bro, you cannot use "now" for God. God is not limited in time. I think we have some parallel worlds. Not sure if you understand what I mean or not! I mean our brains cannot understand any thing out of time. While there might be facts which are not limited in time.

 

[anonymous9887]

I'd be glad if I can answer your questions.
Interesting sect of Christianity. To be frank it's the first time that I have done research on such a sect "Jehovah's Witness".
All my information on your sect is limited to internet which is not a reliable source. Do you really believe in the following statements:
1- You reject Trinitarianism and you think that God is one, never divided into three.
2- You prefer to have a theocracy in the society and you regard secular governments, as the government of Satan.

Yes I do.

 

[anonymous9887]

I'd be glad if I can answer your questions.
Interesting sect of Christianity. To be frank it's the first time that I have done research on such a sect "Jehovah's Witness".
All my information on your sect is limited to internet which is not a reliable source. Do you really believe in the following statements:
1- You reject Trinitarianism and you think that God is one, never divided into three.
2- You prefer to have a theocracy in the society and you regard secular governments, as the government of Satan.

I meant I reject the trinity.
We are supposed to be United as a loving group, Jesus said by this all will know you are my disciples if you have love among yourselves.
Yes the government is heavily influenced by satan, later on there will be an attack on false religion first then on God's people, then God will step in. We obey the government but not if they try to prohibit any type of worship.

 

[anonymous9887]

Bro, you cannot use "now" for God. God is not limited in time. I think we have some parallel worlds. Not sure if you understand what I mean or not! I mean our brains cannot understand any thing out of time. While there might be facts which are not limited in time.

Jw.org we have it available in 800 languages.

 

[paarsurrey]

I am a Jehovah's Witness.
You provided the best answer. Not convinced but I'll give you it was a good answer. ☺

Jesus neither mentioned of Christianity nor of any denomination Jehovah's Witness. Did he? Please quote from Jesus, if he even mentioned it.
Regards