Is it true or not true that to make a disciple is to correct his thinking? Please don't be shy.
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Communicating through time
- Thread starter savagewind
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You all might have me thinking I am on ignore.
I think no one can say that to make a disicple does not involve changing a person's thinking. Jesus said to make disciples. (this is according to you and not to me). Is he telling us with that command that even though the disciple maker's thinking process isn't perfect it is his job to make another person's thinking all right?
outhouse
Atheistically
No it is not.
There may have only been 3 or 4 original disciples, the 12 is most likely fictional to match the 12 mythical tribes of Israel.
We know about his inner circle, and that was probably it, his fishermen friends.
When Jesus died his Aramaic Judaism died with him.
The mythology of his martyrdom only spread in the Roman Empire within Hellenistic communities. Paul as an example.
We see almost no transliterations of Aramaic to Koine in the gospels or Paul. If we did, that would be evidence of possible Galilean origins. And we have stories like the Passion compiled into marks gospel that are very early by our best knowledge, it is Koine as well.
Do you think the 70 disciples is fiction?
But better yet why are you reading Matthew out of context when that statement was directed at Galileans as stated?
outhouse
Atheistically
Only means "student" of a teacher in context.
In this case Jesus students are his disciples.
Are you yourself not a student of the teachings of jesus??????????
It is all context
s2a
Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Not really, NO. Authors of science fiction, speculation, and sometimes pure guesswork have done so and more.
"People" What people? Have their existed many "prophets", "mystics", "soothsayers", "mentalists"? Sure.
Did some "believe" what they wrote about? Sure. Were many simple frauds? Sure. What is the crucible of test then are we too look upon as the arbiter of the two?
"People say". Oh, "the people".
Some "people" claim that Bigfoot, Nessie, ghosts, the Abominable snowman, and UFO alien visitors are REAL!
Undeniable FACT!
Witnessed...firsthand!
Um...evidence?
Well, if you can't/don't/won't accept "my" claims....you just don't have the needed faith to believe! Shhh, you're supposed to look at that shiny object!
Oh, and, the Scriptures fail to make any mention of electronic telephony.
Hmmm....
Still waiting for that direct phone line to any Almighty for prayer beseeching/fulfillment.
Hmmm...
Originally Posted by savagewind View Post
Is it true or not true that to make a disciple is to correct his thinking? Please don't be shy.
Yes it is. He was dead already according to the account. Or maybe you think it is possible to follw a dead man? To follow a dead man is to think like he would have taught. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. Romans 8:5-6
Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. Colossians 3:2
We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ 2 Corinthians 10:5
So you are saying those people gathered at the (true or false) gathering imagining the dead Jesus back to talk to them and only them and someone wrote it down. WHY? If the message "go and make disciples" was only for them why write it down? Surely you know writing was not an easy task back then. AND you seem to agree with those smart fellows who tell us what is true and what is false that the words were written down way after the occurrence. That was not smart of that writer to write down a command that was long ago made void at the death of them who (are said to have) heard him say it.
I do not think it is fiction. Do you?
Actually it was extremely irresponsible for the scribe to write down a command that was only intended for the hearing audience and they were dead too.
Oh! A scribe acting as a historian. Not good I say. History has come a long way. No?
Oh! A scribe acting as a historian. Not good I say. History has come a long way. No?
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OK What does this have to do with making disciples means correcting thoughts?
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Nope, you have no right to talk down to me. I am stating fact that you can't accept. That is because you are blind. You have no right to be on this forum. It is a religious forum. Why do you come here? It is good therapy for you eh.
That is laughable. It just shows your mind set. Where does it say they will be scientific evidence. That is absurd, and is why it is pointless talking to people who haven't got a clue, which is what the NT tells you and you eginore. Time for you to grow up and go somewhere and do something. Take up gardening say, why argue about something you don't belive in anyway?? Interesting I think.
There is no point talking anymore to you, you have nto got a clue, but arrognatly think you do. Have a nice life.
Imagine! An historian who believes what he doesn't know doesn't exist and who believes everything people of 2000 years ago said but nothing of what present people say. THEY knew what they were talking about but we don't. :sorry1:
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
I am not sure what you mean by this. They knew? Ok. No problem. They knew what they meant and we do not understand as well. But it is spiritually discerned as Paul tells us... thus atheists won't understand, and to a degree, we won't understand, which is why we all don't agree. We might ask better, why it is we do not all see the same thing.
I would say because it is because we are part of our own consciousness within the divine. Thus I expect to see difference. Some will be right now and some won't. You will have to expand if you wish more.
Sister
I am not sure what you mean by this. They knew? Ok. No problem. They knew what they meant and we do not understand as well. But it is spiritually discerned as Paul tells us... thus atheists won't understand, and to a degree, we won't understand, which is why we all don't agree. We might ask better, why it is we do not all see the same thing.
I would say because it is because we are part of our own consciousness within the divine. Thus I expect to see difference. Some will be right now and some won't. You will have to expand if you wish more.
He listens to historians tell us what early man thought. That means he (the historical poster here) believes scholars know about the minds of men 2000 years ago. We are living witnesses and he cares NOTHING for what we say. It is because we didn't go to college and write a thesis that got accepted into mainstream thought.
He thinks he pictures perfectly life 2000 years ago but I know for a fact he is blind to today's world. It's weird. Weird enough to make me laugh it is. I suppose some people are sent to be funny so someone else can have a jolly good time with them.
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Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
The end line is a good quote!
Again!
It is absurd, I agree. They argue from Scripture that plainly tells them they are deluded and won't understand it, and that it is spiritually discerned... something that appears to go right over their heads.
outhouse
Atheistically
Mythology may go over your head, not mine.
If you don't know any of the cultural anthropology of then, you have no context to place the books in.
Its why for almost all of time, people go to those who know to learn from on Sundays, they were not allowed to wing it! like your doing.
outhouse
Atheistically
Its only fanaticism and fundamentalism to refuse cultural and social anthropology.
Its OK science is immune from fanaticism
Stuff you find on the ground and in the dirt can tell you how they lived but NOT what they thought.
outhouse
Atheistically
The bible is a great source in anthropology.
And the ignorance displayed not having a clue what their cultures were like back then, so you can place the NT in context, is noted.
outhouse
Atheistically
maybe you lack the knowledge to understand anthropology is not archeology??? :slap:
The bible is a great source in anthropology.
And the ignorance displayed not having a clue what their cultures were like back then, so you can place the NT in context, is noted.
You won't stop saying you know what they all thought. BORING!