Communism

[Augustus]

kind of like cock ups after kateina?

No, nothing like that. A famine occurs over a very long period of time and can easily be alleviated.

Also, no one is arguing that the response to Katrina wasn't grossly incompetent.

Yes some counties get aid... So?

If a government has held power for decades by means of brutal oppression, during which they have never been able to feed their people without handouts purely because of the policies they chose to adopt, it's kind of their fault if people starve to death when the handouts stop.

Almost every other country that needs to import food to survive manages it no problem, but hey 'they were just a bit unlucky with the weather so it's not really their fault'.

Oh, that was the reason? Wow you should write a history book

Its big bad americas fault for bombing a country back to the stone age

And you should read one

USSR invaded NK, then NK invaded SK. But we'll just give them a pass like Kim Il Sung/Jong Il and blame everything on the Yanks and the weather.

Can't blame the commies for invading, they were just protecting the "peaceful Buddhists" from the evil Yankees and their UN lapdogs after all.

 

[Jollybear]

No. A state can have a huge amount of state control and still not have a high rate of taxation.
North Korea doesn't have income tax, doesn't make them libertarian lol.

The very moment you create regulation, you just created bueracrasy to audit and inforce it. How is that bueracrasy supported? Taxes. Common sense. Therefore, the more regulation and control, the more bueracrasy, the more taxes.

As for north korea, if they have no income tax, then in THAT tiny area, yes, they are libertarian. But are they libertarian on all issues? Of course not.

 

[Prometheus85]

No im not using them interchangably. Your not listening to me. But, thats because you dont want to listen.

interchangeably is defined as something that can be used in the same manner as something else without any important differences.

By you saying socialism is a step below communism is you comparing to the two therefore using both interchangeably

 

[Prometheus85]

If it wernt for the "stinky ritch" youd not have your computer in order to send me your stinky message.

So according to your logic, rich people build computers?

 

[Jollybear]

interchangeably is defined as something that can be used in the same manner as something else without any important differences.

By you saying socialism is a step below communism is you comparing to the two therefore using both interchangeably

No, if i said they wer the same, then id be saying they wer the same.

If i say one is a steo below. Im saying there not the same.

Also i conceded your differences. Then said im just streaght to the point.

 

[Jollybear]

So according to your logic, rich people build computers?

Entrepreneurs invent and innovate. They build a business. Thats how they get ritch. So, its due to the ritch that he and you send messages over your computer.

 

[Prometheus85]

No, if i said they wer the same, then id be saying they wer the same.

If i say one is a steo below. Im saying there not the same.

Also i conceded your differences. Then said im just streaght to the point.

Ok let me ask u this.

Why are you saying socialism is one step below communism? What’s your reason for saying that?

 

[Jollybear]

Always surprising when capitalists try to argue that bourgeois classes are responsible for productive output.

Dominos didn't make my pizza last night. Their employee "Mike" did. The capitalist mode of production just ensures he is not compensated properly for his labour.

Mike did not make or build tge doninos business or provide the ingrediants or equipment or training to make your pizza, either.

 

[Jollybear]

Ok let me ask u this.

Why are you saying socialism is one step below communism? What’s your reason for saying that?

My reason for saying that is because there slightly different, by degree. You gave some of those differences, which i conceded to them.

 

[Jollybear]

Correct

Correct

Correct

What did he do? Mike sold his labour-power to the business owner. Mike transformed the ingredients using the equipment owned by the Boss into a Pizza. Mike created value, the business owner merely owned the machines.

Correct.

 

[ChristineM]

No, nothing like that. A famine occurs over a very long period of time and can easily be alleviated.

Also, no one is arguing that the response to Katrina wasn't grossly incompetent.



If a government has held power for decades by means of brutal oppression, during which they have never been able to feed their people without handouts purely because of the policies they chose to adopt, it's kind of their fault if people starve to death when the handouts stop.

Almost every other country that needs to import food to survive manages it no problem, but hey 'they were just a bit unlucky with the weather so it's not really their fault'.



And you should read one

USSR invaded NK, then NK invaded SK. But we'll just give them a pass like Kim Il Sung/Jong Il and blame everything on the Yanks and the weather.

Can't blame the commies for invading, they were just protecting the "peaceful Buddhists" from the evil Yankees and their UN lapdogs after all.

It is still a natural disaster that by your reckoning, all governments should be 100% prepared for.

Once again. The government did not create drought. They did respond poorly, as you have just admitted, other countries also respond poorly to natural disasters.

Ok, insults over i am done with your abusing me through ignorance and stupidity. Ignored

 

[Prometheus85]

My reason for saying that is because there slightly different, by degree. You gave some of those differences, which i conceded to them.

My reason for saying that is because there slightly different, by degree. You gave some of those differences, which i conceded to them.

Your reason for comparing socialism and communism is because they’re slightly different by "degree"

What does that even mean?

And if you "conceded" to some of the differences, why do you still say socialism is one step below communism?

 

[Jollybear]

Your reason for comparing socialism and communism is because they’re slightly different by "degree"

What does that even mean?

It means there slightly different.

And if you "conceded" to some of the differences, why do you still say socialism is one step below communism?

Because although they have differences, they also have similarities.

 

[Prometheus85]

Entrepreneurs invent and innovate. They build a business. Thats how they get ritch. So, its due to the ritch that he and you send messages over your computer.

Not only are u ignorant on the differences between socialism and communism, but you’re also ignorant on the differences between invention and innovation.

In its purest sense, invention can be defined as the creation of a product or introduction of a process for the first time. Innovation, on the other hand, occurs if someone improves on or makes a significant contribution to an existing product, process or service.

Consider the microprocessor. Someone invented the microprocessor. But by itself, the microprocessor was nothing more than another piece on the circuit board. It's what was done with that piece -- the hundreds of thousands of products, processes and services that evolved from the invention of the microprocessor -- that required innovation.

And who’s responsible for that innovation? not one person but PERSONS!

 

[Prometheus85]

It means there slightly different.



Because although they have differences, they also have similarities.

What are those differences and similarities?

 

[Jollybear]

Not only are u ignorant on the differences between socialism and communism, but you’re also ignorant on the differences between invention and innovation.

In its purest sense, invention can be defined as the creation of a product or introduction of a process for the first time. Innovation, on the other hand, occurs if someone improves on or makes a significant contribution to an existing product, process or service.

Consider the microprocessor. Someone invented the microprocessor. But by itself, the microprocessor was nothing more than another piece on the circuit board. It's what was done with that piece -- the hundreds of thousands of products, processes and services that evolved from the invention of the microprocessor -- that required innovation.

And who’s responsible for that innovation? not one person but PERSONS!

Make it about me.

Make it about you.

That equals, not make it about the subject.

 

[Jollybear]

What are those differences and similarities?

You already mentioned them and i conceded them.

 

[Augustus]

This is a completely rediculous conception of the involvement of the USSR in Korea.

You realize the PRK was destabilized before the DPRK formed, right?

Eastern Europe was 'destabilised' before the USSR altruistically helped stabilise it into a network of vassal states.

Stalin was a very kind man who loved all people of the world.

I wonder why the DPRK might be having issues with imports... hmmm....

Food imports? Because it was oppressive, corrupt, incompetent, bankrupt and the Kims preferred to run it as their own personal fiefdom instead of attempting to reform things to help the people.

 

[Augustus]

Ok, insults over i am done with your abusing me through ignorance and stupidity. Ignored

Pot/kettle