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Comparison of Christianity and Judaism
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"Jesusless." Wow! Frubals for the "industry term." :clap
so my question stands firm: what would it have happened, if Caiaphas hadn't crucified Jesus?
I guess that Jesus would have realized that his crystal ball needed to be fixed
NOBODY can predict the future. Not even God. Not even Jesus
This is witchcraft and magic doesn't exist-
roger1440
I do stuff
How is it that when we turn from the last page in the Old Testament to the first page of the New Testament all the allegory and symbolism ends and everything is to be taken literality? Has anyone given any thought to the same style of writing spills into the New Testament from the Old? Has anyone given any thought that the newness of the New Testament comes from how it is presented?
The primary purpose of the canonical Gospels is to present the New Covenant to its readers. It does this by using the concept of the Jewish Messiah and the death and resurrection of Jesus. Without an understanding of Jeremiahs New Covenant nothing in the canonical Gospels would make any sense. Therefore a prerequisite is Jeremiahs New Covenant. That MUST be the starting point.
The primary purpose of the canonical Gospels is to present the New Covenant to its readers. It does this by using the concept of the Jewish Messiah and the death and resurrection of Jesus. Without an understanding of Jeremiahs New Covenant nothing in the canonical Gospels would make any sense. Therefore a prerequisite is Jeremiahs New Covenant. That MUST be the starting point.
31 "The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenantwith the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them, " declares the LORD. 33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD. "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
roger1440
I do stuff
If, LOL. If is a pretty big word. If my father had breasts, he would have been my mother.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
If it's not omniscient, then it's not G-d.
roger1440
I do stuff
If the events described in the gospels are allegory, they may not be events in the past but a spiritual event that can happen to us in the present. The stories in the Bible are written with at least two interpretations. One is the literal, the other is the mystical. Or to put it another way, one is the esoteric the other is the exoteric. The mystical is with us now. The literal is the past.
God can never know what you are gonna do tomorrow, because there is freewill.
he knows what you'll probably do
but he can never know what you are actually going to do.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
That's not what freewill means. Also, you're anthropomorphizing G-d b/c you assume He "thinks" like a corporeal being.
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sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
So, God doesn't transcend time? Doesn't that limit God? And force God into non-omniscience?
Well...you probably think that actions are a deterministic consequence of other actions. Determinism is an idiotic vision, because we can decide what we want to.
If you slap me, you can predict that I will slap you back.
But I won't slap you back, because I use my freewill and I never react to violence, because I decide not to do it. freewill
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God is not omniscient.
because he didn't know that Satan would rebel.
Satan rebelled by using his freewill.
As lots of people on a daily basis do evil because they want to do evil.
They use their freewill...and they will never be saved in the afterlife
God is omniscient. He exists outside of time and does not experience past, present and future in a linear fashion. The best we can understand it is that He experiences time as past, present and future happening at once in one eternal moment. He knows everything and knew it all before the creation of the universe(s).
However, His infinite knowledge doesn't limit our free will in any way. He knew Satan would rebel and He knew that humans would rebel, too. Which is why He already had a plan in place to save us and reconcile us to Himself. Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundations of the world because the plan was already in place before the world was created.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
Again, how does this disprove the notion that G-d is omniscient? It's your decision to not react in a violent way, not G-d's. In fact, G-d gives us the capacity to response anyway we'd like, I would argue.
roger1440
I do stuff
According to the Bible, its only when we do the will of God that we are totally free. Until then we are held in bondage to whatever keeps us from God.
"and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will." (2 Timothy 2:2)
roger1440
I do stuff
"For he looks to the ends of the earth
and sees everything under the heavens"
and sees everything under the heavens"
This passage sounds devilish. Because our freewill is more powerful than the devil. we can have evil thoughts (and people say that it's Satan who tempts us)
but there is a big difference between thinking something and put it into action.
so thinking about killing someone is not the same thing as actually doing it.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
If God is All, then God has self-knowledge and, hence, knowledge of All. Omniscience. How do you know "God didn't know that Satan would rebel?"
roger1440
I do stuff
Yes, there is a difference between thinking something and and putting it into action. But it is the thinking that plants the seed for our actions.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"If a man looks lustfully at a woman, he has already committed adultery..."
Jesus seems to disagree with you here. (Matt. 5:28)