Comparitive Politics of RF Members.

[Terrywoodenpic]

Government is always difficult.

On reflection the reason for my surprise is that my sense of the centre is to the left and down of where it is on that diagram. I am out of touch, basically. The other thing is I can imagine becoming much more anarchic & communitarian than I currently am so having so little space on the graph to cover seems odd.

The graph could be extended to infinity, your view would then seem centrist.
The number of divisions they provide is arbitrary, but covers most usual outcomes.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

No...my beliefs need no confirmation. I think my changes serve a common understanding.
LIbertarians are all about social & economic liberty, which is the lower right corner.
I suspect the authors of that chart don't understand us well. I prefer this one:

Google Image Result for http://www.danburkholder.com/Media/LargeImages/bio_info/political_chart.gif

Libertarians as you describe are neither left or right wing, they come in all varieties.
You see yourself as right wing. so your inclination is to put yourself in the right bottom corner.

However the answers you must have given, show your opinions to be more left wing than you are comfortable admitting.

The alternative graph you have shown is identical in formulation to this one except that it is transposed top to bottom. on that one,a leftwing libetarian would show top left.

 

[Revoltingest]

Libertarians as you describe are neither left or right wing....

We (libertarians) have something in common with both wings, but we are neither.

You see yourself as right wing.

No, I don't.

....so your inclination is to put yourself in the right bottom corner.

Actually, my answers to the questions put me there.

However the answers you must have given, show your opinions to be more left wing than you are comfortable admitting.

No discomfort here....except with the chart's interpretive inadequacy.
It has some socialist types in the forum describing themselves as libertarian - now, that makes me uncomfortable.

The alternative graph you have shown is identical in formulation to this one except that it is transposed top to bottom. on that one,a leftwing libetarian would show top left.

No. My preferred chart has the libertarian axis at + 45 degrees to yours. That's because we don't consider economic authoritarianism to be libertarian at all.
A chart should show the libertarian vector to be the direction of maximum social & economic liberty, since that's who we are.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

We (libertarians) have something in common with both wings, but we are neither.

No, I don't.

Actually, my answers to the questions put me there.



No discomfort here....except with the chart's interpretive inadequacy.
It has some socialist types in the forum describing themselves as libertarian - now, that makes me uncomfortable.

No. My preferred chart has the libertarian axis at + 45 degrees to yours. That's because we don't consider economic authoritarianism to be libertarian at all.
A chart should show the libertarian vector to be the direction of maximum social & economic liberty, since that's who we are.

I suppose the main problem is the word libertarian. a European would prefer the original word and philosophy as Liberal. and of course liberal is the diametric opposite to authoritarianism, both social and economic. ( it does not distinguish between the two). However it presupposes a society that believes in fairness and cooperation and even necessary degree of democratic compulsion (Laws)to achieve that.

 

[Darkness]

We (libertarians) have something in common with both wings, but we are neither.

No, I don't.

Actually, my answers to the questions put me there.



No discomfort here....except with the chart's interpretive inadequacy.
It has some socialist types in the forum describing themselves as libertarian - now, that makes me uncomfortable.

No. My preferred chart has the libertarian axis at + 45 degrees to yours. That's because we don't consider economic authoritarianism to be libertarian at all.
A chart should show the libertarian vector to be the direction of maximum social & economic liberty, since that's who we are.

Most political scientists consider libertarianism to be right-wing, because they are in favour of the social stratification created by the free-market. Leftist ideologies are all about egalitarianism.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

Haha. I had to take this test over and over for my ethics and values class. We had to take it until we could place our coordinates on each of the four corners of the graph. It took forever. I think there's one question that messes with both axis so it is really tricky.

 

[Revoltingest]

Most political scientists consider libertarianism to be right-wing, because they are in favour of the social stratification created by the free-market. Leftist ideologies are all about egalitarianism.

We favor social stratification? Huh...we didn't know that.
It would be more correct to say that we find it an acceptable side effect.

 

[Darkness]

We favor social stratification? Huh...we didn't know that.
It would be more correct to say that we find it an acceptable side effect.

Your wording is better than mine. :yes:

 

[dust1n]

We favor social stratification? Huh...we didn't know that.
It would be more correct to say that we find it an acceptable side effect.

Yeah, businesses call them externalities.

 

[Crystallas]

I don't need a mislabeled test LOL.

I'm a Consequential Libertarian, 100%.

 

[dust1n]

I don't need a mislabeled test LOL.

I'm a Consequential Libertarian, 100%.

It's these kind of assured proclamations that scare me the most about politics.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's these kind of assured proclamations that scare me the most about politics.

People who use big words right next to each other scare me even more.
I like the word "libertarian" to sit all by itself....just like us at parties.

 

[dust1n]

People who use big words right next to each other scare me even more.
I like the word "libertarian" to sit all by itself....just like us at parties.

All 'Consequential Libertarianism' means is a libertarian who thinks the constant progress of 'liberty' would create utilitarian environments and that force is acceptable when trying to achieve libertarianism due to its beneficial (perceived to be, at least) consequences.

So to be 100% of that is particularly scary outside the '100% undistinguished libertarian'.

 

[Revoltingest]

All 'Consequential Libertarianism' means is a libertarian who thinks the constant progress of 'liberty' would create utilitarian environments and that force is acceptable when trying to achieve libertarianism due to its beneficial (perceived to be, at least) consequences.

So to be 100% of that is particularly scary outside the '100% undistinguished libertarian'.

Thanx! I'll stay undistinguished then.

 

[dust1n]

Thanx! I'll stay undistinguished then.

Well, you could distinguish yourself from the Consequentialists by claiming to be Deontological. That would be agreeable to me, but even then certainty is a scary thing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well, you could distinguish yourself from the Consequentialists by claiming to be Deontological. That would be agreeable to me, but even then certainty is a scary thing.

Using an unfamiliar word might just muddy the waters & even make more of a distinction than I'd intend.

 

[dust1n]

Using an unfamiliar word might just muddy the waters & even make more of a distinction than I'd intend.

That is true, but the water is already muddy, as 'libertarian' can mean a lot of different things. I trust you will decide to add the appropriate (hopefully familiar, too) word when the time comes. But even then, I hope that is not 100%.

 

[Revoltingest]

That is true, but the water is already muddy, as 'libertarian' can mean a lot of different things. I trust you will decide to add the appropriate (hopefully familiar, too) word when the time comes. But even then, I hope that is not 100%.

I plan to rely upon discussion to explore my libertarianism.
It's similar to my being an "atheist", as opposed to a "weak atheist" or "middl'n atheist".
Being a Revoltifarian & a Revoltistanian is harder to convey.

 

[dust1n]

I plan to rely upon discussion to explore my libertarianism.
It's similar to my being an "atheist", as opposed to a "weak atheist" or "middl'n atheist".
Being a Revoltifarian & a Revoltistanian is harder to convey.

Could you possibly try to convey?

 

[Revoltingest]

Could you possibly try to convey?

Revoltifarian:
No dogma
No church
No tithing
Anyone can join.
Any member can leave at any time...the only sanction is a going away party

Revoltistanian:
A citizen of Revoltistan.