Comrade Trumpsky: The rise of Russian Influence in the USA.

[Scuba Pete]

Tis best to avoid all the speculation, & instead focus upon things Trump actually effects.

Why be on a forum if you want to avoid all the speculation?

I've learned in life and in Scuba particularly, that the best rescue is the one you avoid by vigilance. In this case an ounce of prevention is worth several thousand Rubles of cure. компрома́т is real and it's in play now. It's очень ясно (very clear) that the Russians hacked into the DNC with a purpose. The RNC proudly proclaims how they were not hacked. They weren't asked to be hacked. Putin wanted Comrade Trumpsky to win and he got what he wanted. So what's the vig here? What aren't we seeing? What should we be looking for in this Putin administration? Snap! Did I write Putin? I really meant Comrade Trumpsky, but I think they're one in the same now. How much Russian influence are we going to allow? This kind of foriegn influence is "unpresidented" in American History. Why would any American patriot not want to mitigate and even neutralize this influence? Will the nuclear codes be handed off in trade for their help? What's the vig? What are they getting out of this, because you know they didn't do that for free.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why be on a forum if you want to avoid all the speculation?

At some point, it's good to support one's speculations.
That's what separates them from fantasy.

I've learned in life and in Scuba particularly, that the best rescue is the one you avoid by vigilance.

Tis one thing to be vigilant...watching for trouble signs.
But it's another entirely to adopt a conspiracy theory as fact.

In scuba diving....is it standard practice to see a possibility,
& treat it as inerrant fact because it's possible?

In this case an ounce of prevention is worth several thousand Rubles of cure. компрома́т is real and it's in play now. It's очень ясно (very clear) that the Russians hacked into the DNC with a purpose. The RNC proudly proclaims how they were not hacked. They weren't asked to be hacked. Putin wanted Comrade Trumpsky to win and he got what he wanted. So what's the vig here? What aren't we seeing? What should we be looking for in this Putin administration? Snap! Did I write Putin? I really meant Comrade Trumpsky, but I think they're one in the same now. How much Russian influence are we going to allow? This kind of foriegn influence is "unpresidented" in American History. Why would any American patriot not want to mitigate and even neutralize this influence? Will the nuclear codes be handed off in trade for their help? What's the vig? What are they getting out of this, because you know they didn't do that for free.

I'm not swayed by sexual innuendos & sprinklings of Russian words.
Got anything of substance?

 

[Quetzal]

I'm not swayed by sexual innuendos & sprinklings of Russian words.
Got anything of substance?

To be fair, I think these questions are good to think about:

How much Russian influence are we going to allow?

Why would any American patriot not want to mitigate and even neutralize this influence?

A few of the others are bit out there, though.

I'm not swayed by sexual innuendos

 

[Revoltingest]

To be fair, I think these questions are good to think about:

But that's the crux of the matter.....
Are there only questions, the asking of which in such a manner impugn without merit?
Or is there some substance to address?

Silly analogy time....
Where's the proof you've stopped running a puppy mill supplying Chez Rogier?
Have you stopped stealing me unlaundered kilts?
These are open questions.

 

[Quetzal]

Or is there some substance to address?

Sure, let's take small bites of this:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

From the document:

We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign then focused on undermining her expected presidency.

It is a lengthy doc, but this is where most allegations are rooted.

 

[habiru]

Why be on a forum if you want to avoid all the speculation?

I've learned in life and in Scuba particularly, that the best rescue is the one you avoid by vigilance. In this case an ounce of prevention is worth several thousand Rubles of cure. компрома́т is real and it's in play now. It's очень ясно (very clear) that the Russians hacked into the DNC with a purpose. The RNC proudly proclaims how they were not hacked. They weren't asked to be hacked. Putin wanted Comrade Trumpsky to win and he got what he wanted. So what's the vig here? What aren't we seeing? What should we be looking for in this Putin administration? Snap! Did I write Putin? I really meant Comrade Trumpsky, but I think they're one in the same now. How much Russian influence are we going to allow? This kind of foriegn influence is "unpresidented" in American History. Why would any American patriot not want to mitigate and even neutralize this influence? Will the nuclear codes be handed off in trade for their help? What's the vig? What are they getting out of this, because you know they didn't do that for free.

He should be the one to know.

 

[Scuba Pete]

At some point, it's good to support one's speculations.
That's what separates them from fantasy.

What have I 'speculated'? Let's list the FACTS.

• Russia hacked the DNC
• Russia didn't hack the RNC
• Comrade Trumpsky has vociferously defended Putin and the gang.
• Putin has vigorously supported Comrade Trumpsky throughout the election.
• Comrade Trumpsky has even called for closer 'ties' with Russia.
• Putin has posited that things will go better with Comrade Trumpsky in the White House.
• компрома́т is real and it's in play now. If you don't understand it, you certainly can't protect yourself from it and it's effects. Ignorance will not defend our government from foreign interlopers.
• It's OK to cite a conspiracy when it presents itself so obviously.
• Revoltingest doesn't like any post that is negative about Comrade Trumpsky. Just pointing this out. I don't think he ever wants to talk about these issues. It would appear by his acts that his intent is merely to derail the discussion and troll for effect. It's censorship by intimidation. Comrade Trumpsky would be proud.

 

[Revoltingest]

What have I 'speculated'? Let's list the FACTS.

• Russia hacked the DNC
• Russia didn't hack the RNC
• Comrade Trumpsky has vociferously defended Putin and the gang.
• Putin has vigorously supported Comrade Trumpsky throughout the election.
• Comrade Trumpsky has even called for closer 'ties' with Russia.
• Putin has posited that things will go better with Comrade Trumpsky in the White House.
• компрома́т is real and it's in play now. If you don't understand it, you certainly can't protect yourself from it and it's effects. Ignorance will not defend our government from foreign interlopers.
• It's OK to cite a conspiracy when it presents itself so obviously.

Those aren't facts.
They're opinions, some of which are based upon speculations by "experts" who don't claim certainty.

• Revoltingest doesn't like any post that is negative about Comrade Trumpsky. Just pointing this out. I don't think he ever wants to talk about these issues. It would appear by his acts that his intent is merely to derail the discussion and troll for effect. It's censorship by intimidation. Comrade Trumpsky would be proud.

You find me intimidating?
You feel censored?
That is one weird ad hominem argument.
You do realize that this is the internet, & you are anonymous?
There's nothing to fear....not even gaslighting.

As to the trolling accusation, you should read your own posts with some detachment.
You might be surprised.

 

[Quetzal]

No one is talking about my source! If we wanna have a troll/mud slinging fest, I'm game! Just let me know before I look up sources. I hate reading and I am lazy.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hate reading and I am lazy.

And you're intimidating.

 

[Quetzal]

And you're intimidating.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is fake news.

 

[esmith]

Just one question....well maybe probably not.
Would you rather have an administration that at least can talk to an adversary that might respects you or have an administration that your adversary has contempt or even outright hostility toward?
I have always have believed in the idea of "talk soft but carry a big stick" philosophy in your dealings with other countries

Now I look at it this way as far as Russia favoring President-elect Trump over Hillary
It is obvious that Russia had little or no respect for the Obama administration and twisted the U.S. tail ever chance it got knowing that nothing would happen.
Now I don't think Putin sees the new administration in the same light. Look who President-elect Trump has selected for his cabinet. Hillary was basically a loose cannon and it is possible that Putin would rather deal with a sensible administration that understands power vice an administration that was prone to making decisions based on Hillary's past record. In addition Putin associated Hillary with Obama and from every indication that I have read about or watched Putin despised Obama. It is my opinion that anything that Putin could do to embarrass Obama he would do and to him an attempt to undermine Hillary was a direct shot against Obama.
In addition President-elect Trump is a businessman and I really don't think too many of those he dealt with took advantage of him. Most successful business persons surrounds themselves with smart people that have more experience in various fields, listens to them then makes a decision based on those inputs. I would rather have a person in charge that knows they don't know everything but is willing to admit it and take the advice of those they have hired to give that advice.

I have yet seen any proof that President-elect Trump is a puppet of Russia. You can respect an adversary and still attempt to thwart them. History has shown that if you don't respect the capabilities or tactics of and adversary you are putting yourself and those you lead in a serious disadvantage.

 

[Quetzal]

Would you rather have an administration that at least can talk to an adversary that might respects you or have an administration that your adversary has contempt or even outright hostility toward?

To be honest, this is the one area I knew a potential Clinton administration would flounder at.

I have yet seen any proof that President-elect Trump is a puppet of Russia.

Not a puppet, true. But I am curious of your take on the document I linked above. Here it is again:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

 

[Revoltingest]

Not a puppet, true. But I am curious of your take on the document I linked above. Here it is again:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Perusing your link, I'm surprised at there being no concrete information
supporting anything other than the claim that they prefer Trump to Hillary.
I'll accept that. (I already thought so.) But to claim more would require faith.
The government appears to be waging a public relations campaign rather
than an objective investigation.

 

[esmith]

To be honest, this is the one area I knew a potential Clinton administration would flounder at.


Not a puppet, true. But I am curious of your take on the document I linked above. Here it is again:
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Perusing your link, I'm surprised at there being no concrete information
supporting anything other than the claim that they prefer Trump to Hillary.
I'll accept that. (I already thought so.) But to claim more would require faith.
The government appears to be waging a public relations campaign rather
than an objective investigation.

I'll go with the Rev, he expressed my opinion to your question Qetzal better than I could

Question. My computer literacy is not what it used to be. I keep seeing members address as @xxxx and for the life of me I can't figure out how it is done. HELP????

 

[Quetzal]

Perusing your link, I'm surprised at there being no concrete information
supporting anything other than the claim that they prefer Trump to Hillary.
I'll accept that. (I already thought so.) But to claim more would require faith.
The government appears to be waging a public relations campaign rather
than an objective investigation.

I was also disappointed without documentation, you know? Sources, interviews, etc. But they were absent for the most part.

 

[Quetzal]

I'll go with the Rev, he expressed my opinion to your question Qetzal better than I could

Yeah, I am on board with you both at the moment.

Question. My computer literacy is not what it used to be. I keep seeing members address as @xxxx and for the life of me I can't figure out how it is done. HELP????

RF members?

 

[Revoltingest]

Question. My computer literacy is not what it used to be. I keep seeing members address as @xxxx and for the life of me I can't figure out how it is done. HELP????

If I type "@ esmith", but without the space, then that will alert you that I mentioned you.

 

[Parchment]

I use the EZ eyes approach to keyboards, bigger keys, glow in the dark letters.

 

[Quetzal]

If I type "@ esmith", but without the space, then that will alert you that I mentioned you.

Like that one time I told @Revoltingest about that dum-dum @esmith.