Confusing

[Thermos aquaticus]

Does anybody else find reality confusing with all the religious, atheistic, scientific, etc, claims.....all wanting agreement from the student?

Students are taught knowledge they will need to know in order to pursue a career in those fields. It isn't about trying to find agreement. We don't determine what is and isn't a well supported scientific theory by what 9th graders agree to.

 

[paarsurrey]

It depends on how deep you delve.
Maybe I have a simple mind.
Do you understand all poetry?

I may understand it, please.
Regards

 

[ChristineM]

Does anybody else find reality confusing with all the religious, atheistic, scientific, etc, claims.....all wanting agreement from the student?

Reality? No. What i find confusing is the plethora of religions denying reality... Why?

 

[paarsurrey]

Reality? No. What i find confusing is the plethora of religions denying reality... Why?

The non-religions also deny many realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

I may understand it, please.
Regards

One person feels the elephants tail.
Another, the leg.
Another the tusk.
Another the trunk.
Another the ear.

 

[Cockadoodledoo]

One person feels the elephants tail.
Another, the leg.
Another the tusk.
Another the trunk.
Another the ear.

Who designed the leg, the tusk, the trunk, the ear? The elephant or the feelers?

 

[Thermos aquaticus]

One person feels the elephants tail.
Another, the leg.
Another the tusk.
Another the trunk.
Another the ear.

Those people get together and pool the evidence allowing them to reconstruct the whole elephant. Another person comes along and claims that the scientists are all wrong because they have a holy book that says elephants don't exist.

What to do?

 

[Anna Therese]

Does anybody else find reality confusing with all the religious, atheistic, scientific, etc, claims.....all wanting agreement from the student?

Not at all. The supernatural faith of Jesus Christ (the Catholic Faith) sets a person free from a multitude of opinions and falsities.

 

[paarsurrey]

One person feels the elephants tail.
Another, the leg.
Another the tusk.
Another the trunk.
Another the ear.

It is the disability of person and his perception, not of the reality, please.
Regards

 

[ChristineM]

The non-religions also deny many realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

Do they?

Please identify some of these realities you are suggesting

 

[Audie]

Does anybody else find reality confusing with all the religious, atheistic, scientific, etc, claims.....all wanting agreement from the student?

I dont even know where we are
They tell us we're circling a star
Well I'll take their word for I don't know
But I'm dizzy so maybe that's so

Emmylou Harris Lyrics - Defying Gravity

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
The non-religions also deny many realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

Do they?

Please identify some of these realities you are suggesting

The non-religions deny G-d, the creator of all realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

 

[ChristineM]

paarsurrey said: ↑
The non-religions also deny many realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

The non-religions deny G-d, the creator of all realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

All you need to do is provide evidence of god and non belief will become history. To date, after around 10000 years of worshiping many and varied gods, literally billions of people have failed to provide such evidence.

Thus showing that god is not reality, which is what we were discussing.

Faith is not reality despite your personal beliefs, if it were real it would not be faith.

 

[paarsurrey]

All you need to do is provide evidence of god and non belief will become history. To date, after around 10000 years of worshiping many and varied gods, literally billions of people have failed to provide such evidence.

Thus showing that god is not reality, which is what we were discussing.

Faith is not reality despite your personal beliefs, if it were real it would not be faith.

G-d is Evident so needs no evidence,please.
Regards

 

[ChristineM]

G-d is Evident so needs no evidence,please.
Regards

That is faith, not reality.

 

[paarsurrey]

That is faith, not reality.

That is one's incorrect perception, G-d is the fountain of reality. Sorry, I differ with one.
It is one's right to have any faith or no-faith, any perception or no perception with reasons and arguments, if any, please.
Regards

 

[Valjean]

Reality is not confusing. Right, please?
Regards

Reality can be very confusing when it clashes with the subjective reality cobbled together in our own minds.

The non-religions deny G-d, the creator of all realities. Don't they, please?
Regards

How are you defining "non-religions?" Bricklaying and metallurgy are non-religions, and they don't deny God.

G-d is Evident so needs no evidence,please.
Regards

"Evident" implies evidence, and, no, God is not evident. If He/She/It were evident the world would be in general agreement, as it is with scientific facts. We wouldn't have thousands of different religions. There would be no controversy.

One person feels the elephants tail.
Another, the leg.
Another the tusk.
Another the trunk.
Another the ear.

And if they were religious persons you'd end up with five different descriptions and interpretations of 'elephant'.

If they were scientists they would realize their discoveries were not those of a complete animal; they would seek further.
They would test their findings. They would compare their findings with those of others. They would try to disprove their findings, They would invite others to critique their findings. This is the scientific method.

Eventually they would publish a provisional description of 'elephant', pending further evidence
All scientific theories are provisional -- pending further evidence.

Who designed the leg, the tusk, the trunk, the ear? The elephant or the feelers?

This is a false dilemma. It assumes only two possibilities. It assumes discrediting one confirms the other.
What if the leg, tusk, trunk &c were not consciously designed. What if they were natural phenomena; the products of ordinary, undirected chemical and biological processes?

 

[Valjean]

That is one's incorrect perception, G-d is the fountain of reality. Sorry, I differ with one.
It is one's right to have any faith or no-faith, any perception or no perception with reasons and arguments, if any, please.
Regards

It's one's right to believe there are pink unicorns on the moon, but that does not make it a reasonable belief. Not all beliefs are equal.

 

[ChristineM]

That is one's incorrect perception, G-d is the fountain of reality. Sorry, I differ with one.
It is one's right to have any faith or no-faith, any perception or no perception with reasons and arguments, if any, please.
Regards

And still faith is not reality. I value honesty move than anything else

 

[InChrist]

Sorry, but how does Christ clarify? Was there some research project I missed? Were the results tested and peer reviewed?
I don't think this christian clarity is a product of critical analysis. I think it's a matter of faith -- belief without evidence.

The OP did not ask for a research project or test results. I have expressed my experience of finding the many religious claims/philosophies in this world confusing... before finding clarification through Jesus Christ. This goes along with the scriptures which indicate that unless someone is saved by Christ they are spiritually blind and do not understand reality. The fact is that belief in Jesus Christ is not based on faith without evidence, it is faith based on historical events, facts, and reality.

In fact, actual evidence this Christ even existed is pretty thin; His teachings even more so.

The evidence for the life of Christ is actually much stronger than many historical figures which you probably believe existed without question. Most reputable, even secular historians do not deny that Jesus Christ lived.

"What is the historical evidence that Jesus Christ lived and died?
Today some claim that Jesus is just an idea, rather than a real historical figure, but there is a good deal of written evidence for his existence 2,000 years ago

How confident can we be that Jesus Christ actually lived?

The historical evidence for Jesus of Nazareth is both long-established and widespread. Within a few decades of his supposed lifetime, he is mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians, as well as by dozens of Christian writings. Compare that with, for example, King Arthur, who supposedly lived around AD500. The major historical source for events of that time does not even mention Arthur, and he is first referred to 300 or 400 years after he is supposed to have lived. The evidence for Jesus is not limited to later folklore, as are accounts of Arthur."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cal-evidence-that-jesus-christ-lived-and-died
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"The Gospels, Acts and most of the Epistles were written while multitudes were still alive who would have disproved any account that deviated from the facts as they knew them. Imagine attempting, in the small country of Israel and so soon after the supposed events, to publish a fictitious account of alleged miracles, naming persons and places. Multitudes of people who were still alive from those days and from those regions would have rejected such tales as lies.

Remember, Christianity began in Jerusalem. It was based upon the claim that this Jesus, who was hailed by multitudes as the Christ and whose miracles were spoken of all over Israel and whom the Romans had crucified, had risen from the dead the third day. The very fact that 3,000 converted on the day of Pentecost in the heart of Jerusalem, and that thousands more continued day after day to join this "new faith," is indisputable evidence that these events really happened. The opposition did not deny the facts. Christianity was opposed only because it contradicted the authority and teachings of the rabbis.

Christianity was not a religious movement based upon ideology but upon events which had to have actually happened. The claims could not have been presented right there in Jerusalem and throughout Judea (that Jesus of Nazareth had healed the sick, opened blind eyes, raised the dead and Himself resurrected, leaving behind an empty tomb) unless the events had verifiably occurred. For that reason Jesus told His disciples to begin their preaching in Jerusalem, to establish the church there first of all."
https://www.thebereancall.org/content/defense-faith