Conservative Atheists?

[Revoltingest]

RF has its official definition of "conservatism".....
Conservative (also called classical liberalism): Subscribing to the ideas of fiscal and social conservatism. Policies often include support for limited government, limited taxation, a balanced budget, state rights, and restrictions on abortion, same-sex marriage, social welfare, drug legalization, and public administration of services. People who find themselves in this ideology often identify with political organizations such as: The “Tea” Party, the US Republican Party, The Conservative Party (UK), The Liberal Party of Australia, and the Free Democratic Party of Germany.

 

[The Ardent Atheist]

A lot of people on Stormfront are atheist and they're against gay marriage for non-religious reasons.

 

[Revoltingest]

A lot of people on Stormfront are atheist and they're against gay marriage for non-religious reasons.

Could you bring some here for questioning?

 

[The Ardent Atheist]

Could you bring some here for questioning?

There are non-religious people who flat out think that homosexuality is disgusting. That's their right to hold that opinion.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Oh, I see. I also disagree with sexual displays in oublic, but I strongly believe that if gays aren't allowed to show affection, neither should straight people have.

I am a conservative/atheist/Hindu. Hinduism does not encourage exhibitionism for all people, whether straight or otherwise. As people have said culture, tradition.

 

[Jumi]

Don't have anything against the groups you mention in the OP, but on other topics I can be conservative.

 

[Revoltingest]

There are non-religious people who flat out think that homosexuality is disgusting. That's their right to hold that opinion.

Disgust for something isn't necessarily opposition to it.
There are many things I find disgusting (eg, eating raw oysters), but I wouldn't limit others from partaking.
So this isn't a "conservative" attitude towards them.
It's a matter of personal preference.

 

[Mark e]

Okay, I guess it comes down to what you mean by liberal or conservative. I am atheist and run the spectrum, very much liberal on the things mentioned in the OP but I am a strong constitutionalist and that is often considered conservative.
See, I am all for new rights, or rather recognizing things that should have been rights all along but ultra liberals scare me every bit as much or more as ultra conservatives as all too often they are not just willing but anxious to sacrifice older rights on the alter of newer rights. The right to speak your mind gets sacrificed to the right to not be offended. The right to your privacy gets sacrificed to the right to "feel safe", and so on.

 

[Marsh]

I know some atheists that are conservative(against gay marriage, equal rights to both genders, anti-transexuality, etc) and I'm very confused. If there is just no religion telling you that this or that is right, then what would make an atheist be conservative? I, at least, can't find any reason to think like that without religious dogma. I'm sorry if I'm offending someone. I just want to understand.

I became an atheist at 16 and experienced a blatant attempt by a homosexual to hit upon me just a few years after that. Creeped me right out. I was anti-gay for a number of years afterward. So to answer your question a bad experience might impose a more conservative outlook.

 

[Marsh]

I don't think I know any atheists who are conservative (in the social sense).
So I don't know what would motivate them.

My sons are both socially conservative and both are atheists. My youngest started listening to and then reading Michael Corn, and this led to further reading and a growing anti-liberal sentiment. He then successfully turned his older brother. They both now believe the West is under assault and that the danger goes unrecognized by bleeding-heart liberals who are undermining our cultural at every turn. They are strong supporters of Trump.

 

[Marsh]

We should find some, & interrogate them.
I'll get a soft cushion & the comfy chair.

Christopher Hitchens was one, wouldn't you say.

 

[Revoltingest]

Christopher Hitchens was one, wouldn't you say.

I've never read or listened to him.

 

[Marsh]

I've never read or listened to him.

The man had an incredibly sharp mind. Very entertaining to listen to.

 

[Revoltingest]

The man had an incredibly sharp mind. Very entertaining to listen to.

There are so many things to read, see & hear.
His work just doesn't call to me.

 

[freaknasty]

i am still unsure of what makes the OP think that a relation exists to begin with; somewhat in the gist of what the poster above me stated.

 

[Revoltingest]

There is a rather strong anti-feminist movement with some Atheist (especially atheist activist) communities. Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens both come to mind.

This clip didn't look anti-feminist at all. While he had sexist views about roles for men & women, he clearly stated again & again that women should do what they want, his personal preferences notwithstanding. The interviewer apparently missed this nuance. Is feminism in general not about each person having the ability to choose the role one wants? Moreover, he didn't root his reasoning in atheism at all.

 

[StopS]

I know some atheists that are conservative(against gay marriage, equal rights to both genders, anti-transexuality, etc) and I'm very confused. If there is just no religion telling you that this or that is right, then what would make an atheist be conservative? I, at least, can't find any reason to think like that without religious dogma. I'm sorry if I'm offending someone. I just want to understand.

This topic has been discussed to death and there are still people who are "confused". Why?

A human being is born without knowing a language, a god or how to drive a car. All this is picked up while growing up.
Society and culture in a region teaches a growing child a language, a god and how to drive.
Gods tell their followers to kill and punish - but most people believing gods exist are better than their gods.
Some people don't believe in the Easterbunny, Santa or gods. I am one of those.
Do I love my parents or children less than a believer? No!
Do I kill, enslave or rape? No!
So people who need a god in their lives simply attribute good deeds to their god and bad ones to a devil. That's what they were told and taught. Except we don't really need these gods any more and they are slowly being retired, just like Wotan, Neptune and Thor have been retired.
A human + god-belief = theist
A human + 0 = atheist.

Just like you know nothing about a vegetarian other than their dislike for meat, you know nothing about an atheist except for their non-belief regarding gods.
The rest is emotional baggage added by the clergy to keep their believers in line.

 

[Marsh]

Moreover, he didn't root his reasoning in atheism at all.

He didn't, not in this segment, but if you are familiar with him you know he is an atheist through and through.

 

[Revoltingest]

He didn't, not in this segment, but if you are familiar with him you know he is an atheist through and through.

I don't deny that he's an atheist.
But I point out that atheism doesn't determine our views on things unrelated to belief in gods.
It is just one of his traits, as is his being, a British expat, a male, hirsute, an anti-theist, a journalist, a socialist, an author, a Nader supporter, a husband, a father, etc.
An atheist can be almost anything.
(I recall one even being a priest.)
So not everything one is, will be linked to atheism.
Btw, live long, & prosper.

 

[Marsh]

The first step is understanding that the terms atheism, theism, and agnosticism are very ambiguous. There are two arguments, not proofs, for God's existence that make sense. It is perfectly reasonable to say the arguments are not persuasive. Atheists and agnostics don't say this. They say "I don't know whether of not God exists." They don't know or understand the arguments. They are suffering from cognitive dissonance. They make themselves feel better by believing in irrational things, like socialism, libertarianism, racism, imperialism, etc. Libertarian/atheists think people should be free to abandon their children. Socialist/atheists think the government should run the economy.

I agree with you that simply knowing someone is an atheist does not mean you can predict their their social views, however, as an atheist I would not take the position that, "I don't know whether of not God exists." On the contrary I am quite certain no God or gods exist. I guess I would say I am as certain the Hebrew god does not exist as I am that Quetzalcoatl does not exist. I am sure you have heard others say similar things.