I don't have to be a moderator to remind myself and others of the rules. Again, if you are not a Muslim, stop posting. Your posts contain much confusion and inaccurate stuff and give wrong impressions. People come here to educate themselves about Islam, it's not for non Muslims to state their views.
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Considering Islam
- Thread starter Nerthus
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And what if I am a liberal reformist, Muslim (like our good friend Bulleh Shah)? What do the rules say about that? Or do you find Bulleh confusing too?
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I believe answers to these questions are not so simple. For example, do you think Bulleh is Muslim, if he writes against Shariah?
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This is interesting. All this not to answer a question if you are a Muslim or not. If anyone asked me if I am a Muslim, I should ask them first what they think of me or of a person X or I should ask them first if they are moderators. Hmmm...
If you are not a Muslim, stick to the rule and if you are, I don't think there is anyone pointing his gun towards your head if you said "yes, I am a Muslim". I don't think answering the question either way need tremendous effort. God!!
If you are not a Muslim, stick to the rule and if you are, I don't think there is anyone pointing his gun towards your head if you said "yes, I am a Muslim". I don't think answering the question either way need tremendous effort. God!!
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Perhaps there is some cultural differences between us, that is creating some difficulty. as an American I consider my religious identity a private thing. For example, there is no mention of my religion on my passport etc. In contrast, I suppose in the ME it is common to ask upfront another person's religious id. since it is on your national ids and passports etc. The main rule here is no debating and I am not debating whether your religion is right or not.
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Nice dodging. The rule says if you are not a Muslim, respectful questions are allowed. Your posts indeed lead to debate as they go against Islam and its concepts. I think the best way is to leave this to the moderators and they can take care of the issue as it appeared you want to argue for nothing.
where did I ask you any disrespectful questions on Islam? It is you who has has started this dialogue by asking me personal questions. I was talking to OP not you. So, I broke no rules, even if I were not a Muslim. Although, I think my posts indicate that I am a reform oriented, liberal muslim, with views that coincide with those of Sufi Bulleh Shah among other Muslims. I think the OP has already figured this out. I guess, for what ever reason, you have not.
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Very well, there is a progress. You could give that answer earlier and when Fatima asked you instead of your previous ramblings. Apparently, your posts contain much deviance and indeed it need replies so that the Islamic position become clear. And if it's necessary it can be moved to the same faith debate. ISA, I will reply to some of them.
A-ManESL
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The words of those intoxicated by God's love should be treated differently as those of others in a sober state as Imam Ghazali said:
Many Sufis such as Moinuddin Chishti were staunch followers of the Shariat but according to their interpretation of Shariat, music etc was allowed for it helped them to come near to God. (It is also said that Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) appeared in a dream to him and granted him explicit permission because the place where Moinuddin Chisti lived was such that music was an intertwined with people's lives and was part of the culture.)
Regards
I think you should focus on answering questions from OP rather than discussing whether my liberal Islamic point of view is a deviance or not. This thread is not for discussing or debating whose religion is a deviance and whose is not. You can ask me what I believe as a liberal Muslim, respectfully, without judging under a new topic. It is not fair to hijack this thread from OP. I do not need to know whether you think I am a deviant because it is very rude to suggest these things.
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What is the "orthodxy" and what is the "liberal Muslim"?
I am sure there are Muslims (scholars and average Muslims) out there who don't find a problem with the good music, would find it self-contradictory to use something like "liberal Muslim". And they also think they don't have to classify those who agrees with their view as "liberal" and who disagree with them as "orthodoxy" and blind followers of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Because they know that as long as there is disagreement between the scholars, every one can choose any of the opinions. They are all Muslims and followers of the Qur'an and the Sunnah. There is no need to make up a division between them where there is not.
A-ManESL
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There is no orthodoxy but there are Muslims with varying degrees of knowledge. Quran 49:14 clarifies the same. This certainly classifies Muslims.
It may be a certain person X believes certain things on account of his different understanding of Islam based on knowledge then person Y who is on a different level. I think J2hapydyna is referring to the fact that he understands things differently then some other Muslims and is aware of the fact.
It may be a certain person X believes certain things on account of his different understanding of Islam based on knowledge then person Y who is on a different level. I think J2hapydyna is referring to the fact that he understands things differently then some other Muslims and is aware of the fact.
God's Shari'a and way doesn't obscure but it purify the Muslim and raises him in his road to perfectness. God's Shari'a is to give us peace of mind and to achieve justice among ourselves and the entire universe.
Only replying to your posts in this thread. No worries.
I guess you disagree with Bulleh Shah. So do you have a question here?
That is why issuing fatwas is the job of the specialized scholars...people who study the language, the Qur'an, the hadith and principles of Fiqh.
Our friend used some labels and I think he should define what they mean. Doesn't the Muslim seek to follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah, after all? People who disagree on the music issue seek to follow them as well. Creating division and the need to label them by anything other than Muslim should have no place in this issue and there was no need for it.
Hi Nerthus
What do you think your family/partner/friends would think or say? Have you discussed it with them (Hope I haven't missed that above)?
Nerthus
Wanderlust
They probably wouldn't be too happy with it initially, because they only know what they hear in the media about Islam. But, religion for me is not about what my family will think about it. I won't make myself believe in something just to make them happy.
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Yes, it is something I have considered a few times too. Islam has some beautiful aspects. Such a shame that politics and God cannot be divided. Thanks for the reply.