Convergence Of Signs

[InChrist]

It sounds like whoever wrote the article doesn't know the Bible very well.
Jesus never planned to return to earth and that is why there are no Bible verses where Jesus says He is going to return.
Rather, Jesus said that His work was 'finished' in this world and He would be 'no more' in this world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Jesus said that He had to go away to the Father so He could send the Comforter, and we would see Jesus no more.

John 16:9 I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.

Jesus told His disciples He was leaving and they wouldn’t see him any longer, but He clearly said He would return again…

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that-where I am, there you may be also.
John 14:3

Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”
John 21:22

Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:30

And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Revelation 22:12-13

 

[InChrist]

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Notice the specific date.

 

[InChrist]

Five times:

"Camping first predicted that the Judgment Day would occur on or about September 6, 1994.[7][8][9] When it failed to occur, he revised the date to September 29 and then to October 2.[10][11] In 2005, Camping predicted the Second Coming of Christ to May 21, 2011, whereupon the saved would be taken up to heaven in the rapture, and that "there would follow five months of fire, brimstone and plagues on Earth, with millions of people dying each day, culminating on October 21, 2011, with the final destruction of the world."[12][13]

His prediction for May 21, 2011 was widely reported, in part because of a large-scale publicity campaign by Family Radio, and it prompted ridicule from atheist organizations[14] and rebuttals from Christian organizations.[15] After May 21 passed without the predicted events, Camping said he believed that a "spiritual" judgment had occurred on that date, and that the physical Rapture would occur on October 21, 2011, simultaneously with the final destruction of the universe by God.[16] Except for one press appearance on May 23, 2011, Camping largely avoided press interviews after May 21, particularly after he suffered a stroke in June 2011.[17] After October 21, 2011, passed without the predicted apocalypse, the mainstream media labeled Camping a false prophet and commented that his ministry would collapse after the "failed 'Doomsday' prediction".[18]"

Harold Camping - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Okay, five times! I wasn’t aware it was that many. He was definitely a false teacher/ prophet.

 

[InChrist]

You think they're accurate because your religion says they're accurate; not because the prophecies are clearly referring to actual, unpredictable events that have come to pass. And why do you think your religion is accurate? Don't the faithful of every religion "think" their religion true?

First, this is not what you think. it's what you feel.
Thinking involves critical analysis of objective facts. There is none of that here. I'd bet you'd believe in a whole different religion if you'd been born in Arabia or India.

Many of various religious persuasions may think or believe their religion is true. Everyone is prone to think what they believe is true, whether religious or not. That is why I believe humans need an outside source to provide truth and information. I think the Bible proves itself to be that source since it’s information from God, Creator of heaven and earth. I don’t know if any other scriptures which have accurately provided information concerning the nation of Israel.

 

[sun rise]

Didn't the Kali Yuga -- the forth and last -- begin around 3102 BCE, to last 432,000 years, after which the universe will end and a New Yuga cycle begin?

That's one view. Another is that we're at the end of the kali yuga now. And according to some, we are right at the mid-point of the Life of Brahma and in the time of the Kalki Avatar which some have associated with the Christian 2nd Coming, Jewish Messiah, Buddhist Maitreya, Hindu Kalki. Of course each religion believes in it's own vision but to me this is beyond any one religion.

 

[InChrist]

What's the difference between vaguely near vs. Exactly at a certain day? The end's been nigh for more than 2000 years according to Christianity. Longer than that, according to some other religions

I agree, basically the last 2000 years or so since the time of Christ have been the last days… but at some point the last days end and the Day of the Lord begins. Jesus said to watch and pray to be aware of this timeframe and season. Obviously, there’s a big difference between knowing a certain day or seeing indicators that the end is getting close.

 

[Audie]

I think the indications of the soon return of Christ are converging rapidly and it’s time for Christians and especially the unsaved to pay attention.
That’s my perspective anyway, share yours.



The Rush To Divide Israel

The Push For Digital Currencies​

The Threat Of World War III​

UFOs And Aliens​

The UN’s Seven-year Commitment​

Days Of Noah And Lot​

“We most assuredly live in biblical times. The convergence of signs is like that of the grand finale of a fireworks show that noisily illuminates the sky with its bright display of colors. Yet sadly, many believers and pastors turn their heads and walk away from the spectacle telling themselves and others, “There’s nothing to see here.”

I also believe the words of Proverbs 1:20apply here: “Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:”

The myriad of signs, along with the voices of many students of Bible prophecy, sound the alarm regarding the nearness of the Tribulation. Wisdom continues to cry out with the message that Jesus is coming soon, but so few are paying attention.”

https://harbingersdaily.com/the-convergence-of-signs-cry-out-that-jesus-is-coming-soon-but-so-few-are-paying-attention/

Noah? Like world wide flood- and- ark Noah?
Surely you're joking.

 

[Left Coast]

No, Jesus never said He, Jesus, was going to return to earth, not once in the entire New Testament.

Matthew 24:42-44
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

That's a bizarre interpretation, given that the section of Matthew 24 you just quoted started with this question to Jesus from his disciples:

"As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will this be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the close of the age?" Matthew 24:3

And in closing his comments of chapters 24-25, Jesus said:

"When Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said to his disciples, "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of man will be delivered up to be crucified.” Matthew 26:1-2

So it's plainly obvious that Jesus' comments re: the Son of man are third person references to himself. And that's how all his disciples and the earliest Christians whose writings we have access to understood him as well.

 

[Left Coast]

Yes, Jesus said no one would know the day or the hour and that He would come unexpectedly. I certainly believe Him. Yet, He also stressed the importance of watching so as to not be caught in a snare unexpectedly and to counted worthy of escape. What is the point of watching if there is nothing to watch for?


But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Luke 21:34-36

Jesus' point there is that we should always be ready, because the Day is imminent and we want to be counted "worthy of escape."

 

[InChrist]

Noah? Like world wide flood- and- ark Noah?
Surely you're joking.

No, I’m not joking.

 

[F1fan]

I think the indications of the soon return of Christ are converging rapidly and it’s time for Christians and especially the unsaved to pay attention.
That’s my perspective anyway, share yours.



The Rush To Divide Israel

The Push For Digital Currencies​

The Threat Of World War III​

UFOs And Aliens​

The UN’s Seven-year Commitment​

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Yeah, the Bible talks a lot about these specific things. It's amazing how this list is in the Bible and addressed directly. How did they know all these things would happen thousands of years in the future?

Or are fundamentalist Christians just desperate for their time to be significant due to insecurity and boredom?

 

[InChrist]

Jesus' point there is that we should always be ready, because the Day is imminent and we want to be counted "worthy to escape."

I agree and think that Day is imminent. I’m ready are you?

 

[sun rise]

No, I’m not joking.

@Audie is our resident skeptic.

 

[InChrist]

Yeah, the Bible talks a lot about these specific things. It's amazing how this list is in the Bible and addressed directly. How did they know all these things would happen thousands of years in the future?

Or are fundamentalist Christians just desperate for their time to be significant due to insecurity and boredom?

God knows the future thousands of years in advance, that’s why prophetic scriptures are considered revelation… from God to humanity.

I can’t even comprehend how any Christian who has been saved by Jesus Christ, had their life transformed, and know His love everyday could possibly be bored or insecure.

 

[InChrist]

@Audie is our resident skeptic.

Yes, I am aware of that, though there a few others, also, but thanks for the reminder. I know she already knows, I’m serious.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, I am aware of that, though there a few others, also, but thanks for the reminder.

A skeptic is one that follows the evidence. The evidence is extremely clear that there never was a worldwide flood.

 

[InChrist]

A skeptic is one that follows the evidence. The evidence is extremely clear that there never was a worldwide flood.

Oh well, this thread isn’t about a flood, so I’m not going off on that. Anyway, I’m a skeptic myself, that’s how I got out of Catholicism, Mormonism, and various new age beliefs into biblical truth. God used my skeptical tendencies to cause me to question things and led me to Himself.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh well, this thread isn’t about a flood, so I’m not going off on that. Anyway, I’m a skeptic myself, that’s how I got out of Catholicism, Mormonism, and various new age beliefs into biblical truth. God used my skeptical tendencies to cause me to question things and led me to Himself.

You might want to turn up your skepticism a notch. But at any rate, there has been a "convergence" of the signs ever since the time of Jesus and probably before that.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

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I can recall believing what the OP believes regarding the alleged end times. I used to study this topic when I was still a Christian and could explain what I believed without having to consult my research notes or look it up online for assistance. I read and studied the Bible numerous times during the thirty years I was a devout Christian, including extensive study of the Bible and Christian theology while I was training to be an evangelism team leader and extensively studying the Bible and Christian theology while assisting my nephew in his extended theological studies to become an ordained minister.

Truth be told, I essentially studied my way out of believing the Bible, which led to further focused study and research in and out of Christianity. It ultimately led me to disavow my belief in God and my faith in Jesus. Other circumstances also contributed to my decision to renounce my belief in God and abandon Christianity, but I studied my way out of believing in the Bible and God. Ironically, my nephew did as well. He was studying to be a pastor, so it took him longer to admit that he no longer believed in God or in the Bible than it did me, but he finally admitted it. It was hard on him too. He is an agnostic now.

 

[F1fan]

God knows the future thousands of years in advance, that’s why prophetic scriptures are considered revelation… from God to humanity.

Assuming a God exists. We don't see any God acting in our world, so all we are left if you believers trying to back up your fantastioc claims. Since your God is absent, why don't you explain how your exagerated beliefs are true and we should take them serioulsy. Don't forget the history of Christianity that has many hundreds of false predictions, so your track record is very bad. Since your track record is so bad we can't just take your word for it. Where is your absent God?

I can’t even comprehend how any Christian who has been saved by Jesus Christ, had their life transformed, and know His love everyday could possibly be bored or insecure.

Well the Catholics and Lutherans of 1940's Germany had no problem exterminating 6 million Jews, so it's fair to say Christians aren't the most emotionally stable bunch historically. Why do Christians need to believe at all when atheists and Muslims and Hindus get along fine without Christian dogma? Why do fundamentalist Christian need to drag everyone down in their toxic theology? At least atheists don't believe so we are immune to this emotional expoitation. I feel bad for Christian children who are exposed to this toxicity and are emotionally damaged as a result. It borders on abuse.

How about you, do you think it cruel and unnecessary to tell children what you are saying in this thread if it causes them distress?