Convince me that God is loving

[Ebionite]

Kind of like the rest of Christianity.

Thomas means twin, and Didymus means twin.

These are the secret words which the living Jesus spoke, and Didymus Judas Thomas wrote them down.

Gospel of Thomas, Brill edition

https://hosea6.tech/pages/twin.html

 

[Trailblazer]

You need to study what the trinity is.

I know what the Christian version of the Trinity is.
As a Baha'i, I believe in a Trinity, but I have a different version of the Trinity.

The detailed explanation is in this chapter: 27: THE TRINITY

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one in the sense that they are ‘one in Purpose.’ They work together, but they are separate, not ‘part of God.’

In brief, here is how the Baha’i version of the Trinity operates.

God is exalted above anything that can ever be perceived so God remains in His own high place, on His Throne. God never descends to earth. God cannot be divided into parts.

God sent Jesus from heaven and Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit from the womb of Mary into a human body. Later, after Jesus reached a certain age, God sent the Holy Spirit to Him and it descended upon Him like a dove when Jesus was baptized. After Jesus received the Holy Spirit from God the Father, Jesus brought the Holy Spirit to believers and it dwelt in believers.

The Holy Spirit does not enter the body, but rather it has a direct connection to the body through the soul, which is associated with the mind. That is what the indwelling Holy Spirit means to a Baha'i.

And it's not whether or not he was raised, it's about the punishment He endured for us.

I can agree with that but Jesus is not the only one who endured suffering for the sake of humanity. All the Prophets suffered.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I know what the Christian version of the Trinity is.

Trinitarian Christians believe in the hypostatic union, which is the theological belief that Jesus took on human nature yet remained fully God when he lived as a man. It encapsulates the belief regarding his humanity and divinity (two natures) in a single hypostasis, and is in conjunction with the Trinity doctrine.

 

[Ebionite]

I know what the Christian version of the Trinity is.
As a Baha'i, I believe in a Trinity, but I have a different version of the Trinity.

The detailed explanation is in this chapter: 27: THE TRINITY

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one in the sense that they are ‘one in Purpose.’ They work together, but they are separate, not ‘part of God.’

In brief, here is how the Baha’i version of the Trinity operates.

God is exalted above anything that can ever be perceived so God remains in His own high place, on His Throne. God never descends to earth. God cannot be divided into parts.

God sent Jesus from heaven and Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit from the womb of Mary into a human body. Later, after Jesus reached a certain age, God sent the Holy Spirit to Him and it descended upon Him like a dove when Jesus was baptized. After Jesus received the Holy Spirit from God the Father, Jesus brought the Holy Spirit to believers and it dwelt in believers.

The Holy Spirit does not enter the body, but rather it has a direct connection to the body through the soul, which is associated with the mind. That is what the indwelling Holy Spirit means to a Baha'i.

I can agree with that but Jesus is not the only one who endured suffering for the sake of humanity. All the Prophets suffered.

The doctrine of the Trinity conflates the set-apart spirit with the spirit of Elohim. The word holy is a translation of qodesh, which means set-apart.

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:16

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:18

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19

The tripartate baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 is a late addition (Eusebius, early practice).

But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 15:25-26

Psalms 35​
19	Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.

Psalm 35 relates to the Messiah because of the trap of entanglement, the false testimony against him, his behaviour towards Judas Iscariot, the appeal against the boast of his enemies, the symbolism of the serpent, and the righteous servant of Isaiah 53.

 

[Trailblazer]

The doctrine of the Trinity conflates the set-apart spirit with the spirit of Elohim. The word holy is a translation of qodesh, which means set-apart.

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:16

Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Matthew 1:18

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19

The tripartate baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 is a late addition (Eusebius, early practice).

But [this cometh to pass], that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 15:25-26

Psalms 35​
19	Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: [neither] let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.

Psalm 35 relates to the Messiah because of the trap of entanglement, the false testimony against him, his behaviour towards Judas Iscariot, the appeal against the boast of his enemies, the symbolism of the serpent, and the righteous servant of Isaiah 53.

Thanks. A Bible scholar I am not!

 

[Ebionite]

Thanks. A Bible scholar I am not!

You're welcome. The teaching about unjustified hatred from John 15 leads to significant information about the crucifixion.

 

[Unfettered]

Convince me that God is loving without referring to scriptures that say that.

To be convinced is to be persuaded by evidence. So in order to be persuaded by evidence that God is loving, you must experience His love, and recognize that you have experienced it. Perhaps more than once. That would be persuasive.

 

[muhammad_isa]

To be convinced is to be persuaded by evidence. So in order to be persuaded by evidence that God is loving, you must experience His love, and recognize that you have experienced it. Perhaps more than once. That would be persuasive.

Very persuasive..
I know that G-d is All-Loving, because whenever I need Him, and turn to Him,
He has never let me down.

In particular, when I was in my early 20's, and having relationship problems after becoming a father,
I turned to G-d, and He enlightened me and showed me how to go forward.

Would anybody like to go back to darkness after seeing light?
I certainly don't !

 

[Unfettered]

Very persuasive..
I know that G-d is All-Loving, because whenever I need Him, and turn to Him,
He has never let me down.

In particular, when I was in my early 20's, and having relationship problems after becoming a father,
I turned to G-d, and He enlightened me and showed me how to go forward.

Would anybody like to go back to darkness after seeing light?
I certainly don't !

That's a good testimonial. I share your sentiments!