Convince me to vote (seriously!)

[an anarchist]

Yeah, you're not wrong - I took a bit of license there. I'm not usually one for dramatic effect, but this in particular just... ugh.

I for one will just simply call him a “rapist”, dropping the word “convicted”. I don’t think one can argue against that he is one (colloquial definition) unless you think the jury (who are the ones in position to decide using all evidence) are wrong. No need to get technical about whether he is legally a rapist or not.

God, that’s the last I’m saying on this. I hate the topic of SA. I’m so sorry it had to come to bringing that up to convince me to vote against the feller.

 

[Pogo]

Ouch that was out of nowhere, thanks.

You are fundamentally wrong, as most people on this topic. Anarchy means no rulers, not no rules, as I say again for the nth time. But that is well besides the point of the OP, so let’s drop the topic of anarchy.

No rulers is nice, come back to me when you solve the problem of how to decide for more than one what to eat for dinner for a whole week.

 

[an anarchist]

come back to me when…

I don’t think I will…

But that is well besides the point of the OP, so let’s drop the topic of anarchy.

Edit: On second thought I can see its relevance. i.e. anarchy can never work therefore you should vote. (Not that I agree, but is this the angle you are taking?)

 

[Quintessence]

I for one will just simply call him a “rapist”, dropping the word “convicted”. I don’t think one can argue against that he is one (colloquial definition) unless you think the jury (who are the ones in position to decide using all evidence) are wrong. No need to get technical about whether he is legally a rapist or not.

God, that’s the last I’m saying on this I hate the topic of SA. I’m so sorry it had to come to bringing that up to convince me to vote against the feller.

No worries - I'm glad you've been patient and graceful with me because I can get a little... snippy on the topic of forced birth in particular. It's one of those things that makes me really, really angry. Not just because of the personal stake but because I work in an environment where I'm around a lot of people who are disproportionately impacted - a university. It really hit home this semester with the first student who almost dropped out because she couldn't get health care in state. Then I go - oh.... eventually it is going to be the first student who dies because she can't get health care here. $#@%. Just, #$@%. I can't even imagine what the OB/GYNs are going through emotionally...

 

[Pogo]

I don’t think I will…

Edit: On second thought I can see its relevance. i.e. anarchy can never work therefore you should vote. (Not that I agree, but is this the angle you are taking?)

Growing up is sometimes uncomfortable.
.
Don't worry, growing old isn't any better.

 

[an anarchist]

Growing up is sometimes uncomfortable.
.
Don't worry, growing old isn't any better.

Ok, you lost me and then ended with a downer of a remark shall we press forward? Lol

 

[Revoltingest]

Just like a lefty. Vote the way I want or don't vote.

That makes no sense.
Be clear, not coy.
To clarify for those unskilled at reading, I didn't
say if the poster should vote or not.
(The poster found that useful, even though you
didn't.) I don't know if they should, because they
appear to have given little consideration to the
candidates & issues. Combine that with their
belief that voting is violence.

 

[Revoltingest]

Looking forward to reading @Revoltingest 's response to this.

Magas have a very parochial perspective.
They seek to prevent others from voting.
And then accuse others of the same.

 

[Heyo]

Hello. I just checked to see if I am registered to vote and I am. I voted Libertarian in the 2016 US presidential election so I registered that year.

I haven’t voted since then since I view voting as an act of aggression (this is not the thread to debate this point). But I am no pacifist.

@Quintessence brought up the issue of abortion being perhaps their most important issue this election in another thread/conversation with me. It got me thinking about actually voting.

I see voting as an act of aggression like I said but I do believe in using aggression to defend yourself.

So I wanted to start this conversation with asking which issues are the most important to you when it comes to a candidate’s policies? Abortion rights seems to be a pressing issue in many people’s minds. What other important issues are there that perhaps take precedent over other ones?

I live in Arizona so my vote is super important. I say that with sarcastic italics but they say the swing states are what decide the election. AZ went Trump the first time then not Trump the second time.

Care to make one final pitch for your preferred presidential candidate? I swear I am not trolling or anything, I am serious about being willing to vote.

My thoughts so far are this:
Trump: says he’s anti deep state - got shot in sketch circumstances so that sorta gives his claim some juice in my eye.
Harris: nice to immigrants
Please help me out here I live under a rock I was not planning on voting so I haven’t really been looking into their policies or whatever.

I am unsure how I feel about abortion. I’ve created several threads on the topic now and they have been lengthy and my views have fluctuated and are still under consideration.

Anarchists vote?

Yep, I do vote.

I see evolution as the way to anarchism, not revolution. The means have to reflect the goal, you can't have a free society by aggressively taking away freedom.

There are two rational arguments to make for reaching the goal of extended freedom by election.
1. Vote independent. If enough people vote independent, there is a chance that the two party hegemony will be overcome. More choices = more freedom.
2. Vote against authoritarianism. There is a chance that MAGA will turn the US into a dictatorship. Voting for Harris is the only way to prevent that.

As a rational anarchist, you should use the little liberty you have, lest even that will be taken away.

 

[an anarchist]

I see evolution as the way to anarchism, not revolution.

My perspective/outlook has changed over the past two years to more closely align with this view, when it use to be the opposite.

I think of the founding of America. Supposedly, the revolution meant that tyranny was replaced with a freedom loving government. But like any government installed after a successful revolution, it turned authoritarian. Look at the US government now; do you think the founding fathers would be satisfied?

 

[Wirey]

Hello. I just checked to see if I am registered to vote and I am. I voted Libertarian in the 2016 US presidential election so I registered that year.

I haven’t voted since then since I view voting as an act of aggression (this is not the thread to debate this point). But I am no pacifist.

@Quintessence brought up the issue of abortion being perhaps their most important issue this election in another thread/conversation with me. It got me thinking about actually voting.

I see voting as an act of aggression like I said but I do believe in using aggression to defend yourself.

So I wanted to start this conversation with asking which issues are the most important to you when it comes to a candidate’s policies? Abortion rights seems to be a pressing issue in many people’s minds. What other important issues are there that perhaps take precedent over other ones?

I live in Arizona so my vote is super important. I say that with sarcastic italics but they say the swing states are what decide the election. AZ went Trump the first time then not Trump the second time.

Care to make one final pitch for your preferred presidential candidate? I swear I am not trolling or anything, I am serious about being willing to vote.

My thoughts so far are this:
Trump: says he’s anti deep state - got shot in sketch circumstances so that sorta gives his claim some juice in my eye.
Harris: nice to immigrants
Please help me out here I live under a rock I was not planning on voting so I haven’t really been looking into their policies or whatever.

I am unsure how I feel about abortion. I’ve created several threads on the topic now and they have been lengthy and my views have fluctuated and are still under consideration.

Pure self interest.

When I was a young lad, I voted in my first election at the provincial level (Canada). Later that year, the Department of Highways was hiring several young people to clear brush from ditches, to assist with road repairs, to clean up garbage from the sides of the highway, and etc. I, wanting to purchase a shiny new hunting rifle, applied for the job and got it. I found out later that the number one thing that got me selected was that the voter rolls showed that I had voted, encouraging the provincial government to help me succeed so that in the next election I would be happy with my lot and vote for them again. Non-voters were given short shrift.

We've built a system where the politicians are incentivized to behave that way. That system can only be changed by the same politicians, who are further incentivized to be certain that the dissolution of that system never happens. If you ask any politician for assistance, the first thing they check is whether or not you voted. Why waste political capital on some schmuck who isn't going to show up at the polls? Vote. It's in your best interest. Write "Mickey Mouse" on the ballot if you have to, but vote.

 

[PureX]

Hello. I just checked to see if I am registered to vote and I am. I voted Libertarian in the 2016 US presidential election so I registered that year.

I haven’t voted since then since I view voting as an act of aggression (this is not the thread to debate this point). But I am no pacifist.

@Quintessence brought up the issue of abortion being perhaps their most important issue this election in another thread/conversation with me. It got me thinking about actually voting.

I see voting as an act of aggression like I said but I do believe in using aggression to defend yourself.

So I wanted to start this conversation with asking which issues are the most important to you when it comes to a candidate’s policies? Abortion rights seems to be a pressing issue in many people’s minds. What other important issues are there that perhaps take precedent over other ones?

I live in Arizona so my vote is super important. I say that with sarcastic italics but they say the swing states are what decide the election. AZ went Trump the first time then not Trump the second time.

Care to make one final pitch for your preferred presidential candidate? I swear I am not trolling or anything, I am serious about being willing to vote.

My thoughts so far are this:
Trump: says he’s anti deep state - got shot in sketch circumstances so that sorta gives his claim some juice in my eye.
Harris: nice to immigrants
Please help me out here I live under a rock I was not planning on voting so I haven’t really been looking into their policies or whatever.

I am unsure how I feel about abortion. I’ve created several threads on the topic now and they have been lengthy and my views have fluctuated and are still under consideration.

You should not vote.

 

[an anarchist]

Pure self interest.

I like to think I can get behind “pure self interest”. I try to be selfish, though often times I find myself unable to fully commit to selfishness.

 

[an anarchist]

You should not vote.

Why do you say that? Because we disagree with each other sometimes?

 

[an anarchist]

You should not vote.

Nobody should vote.

 

[Heyo]

My perspective/outlook has changed over the past two years to more closely align with this view, when it use to be the opposite.

I think of the founding of America. Supposedly, the revolution meant that tyranny was replaced with a freedom loving government. But like any government installed after a successful revolution, it turned authoritarian. Look at the US government now; do you think the founding fathers would be satisfied?

I think the founding fathers would be flabbergasted by the freedoms you have now that they didn't even contemplate. Abolishment of slavery (with exceptions) and voting rights for women being the most obvious ones.

 

[Heyo]

Nobody should vote.

Nobody should be forced to vote for a representative to decide things one is capable to decide for themselves. Ballot initiatives are more democratic than voting for representatives.

 

[an anarchist]

I think the founding fathers would be flabbergasted by the freedoms you have now that they didn't even contemplate. Abolishment of slavery (with exceptions) and voting rights for women being the most obvious ones.

True true.

It’s easy for me to be pessimistic about the state of society and forget the progress that has been made.

 

[an anarchist]

Nobody should be forced to vote for a representative to decide things one is capable to decide for themselves. Ballot initiatives are more democratic than voting for representatives.

I suppose the lack of nuance in my reply -

Nobody should vote.

was a reflection of the lacking reply I was replying to-

You should not vote.

Though, I often see things black and white. Bad habit though it has its uses me thinks. But yea what you said about voting I find completely agreeable.

 

[Balthazzar]

"Remember the Renaissance" keeps ringing in my ear ... as does: "Remember Arkansas, Maryland, Missouri, North Dakota and South Dakota" who are in play for Marijuana reform legislation in the new NORML world we have found ourselves living in.

We have hemp (industrial) in my State and we've lost millions of dollars in funds and equipment and land in just this aspect of the battle, but that's nothing new ... Farmers have been getting shafted for several decades now, so with that said:

"Remember the farmers" and the families who built America and made a way for us to live in relative peace. The food has been superb over the years.

Who will I be voting for? "Shhhh" is the word and while time flies like a bird, no matter what you've heard I'll believe you heard it. Not that it's true, it's just that if you heard it, it's hearsay and rhetoric and another day in the ring and that's life in America. I've just made purchase of over 20,000 seeds for the planting. It's not hemp.

Shhhh ....