Cops Love To Bully & Assault Civilians

[Heyo]

eee

Change will be slow, but eventually the job
of being a cop could become a respected
profession. I'd like to see that.

ptimistic:

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm sure all those cop reality shows will deny any wrongdoing by the fine upstanding boys and gals in blue.

 

[Revoltingest]

Even dogs get abused by cops.
Stay safe, @sun rise.
Cop kills puppy for straying into his yard....

 

[wellwisher]

We see it over & over. Cops use any pretext
to beat & arrest people. Doesn't matter if
there's no reasonable suspicion of a crime.
This former cop explains how he was trained,
& why cops escalate matters, intend injury,
& construct a scenario to frame the victim
for a fake crime. Victim has a $75,000
medical bill. Suit is inevitable.

Caution: Physical & verbal abuse of the victim
who is in great pain.

The police are part of a connected set of social behavior; cops and robbers. I use to play cops and robber as kids with kids taking turns being each side of the coin. Many people try to define the police as a separate thing, out of the context of this matching set. This is faux science, like an imaginary monopole, instead of one of the two poles of a magnet; address police but ignoring the rise of criminal behavior.

A criminal has it much easier than a honest person or a police officer, in the sense the criminals do not have play by the rules of peaceful cohabitation. If they need money, that do not have to work, but can prey on honest people like a virus on a healthy cell. The police are like the immune system, that reacts to the invasion of disease, attempting to restore order; part of a set. If there were no criminal virus or disease, there would be no need for a police immune system. They are two sides of one coin.

The irony is the political Left will justify the criminal; soft on crime and even ignore the victims of criminals, but if the police or citizens use the same rules as the criminals, to fight criminals, the sky is falling. The dividing line should not be profession, but the same behavior treated the same for all. Looting is justified for criminals, while victims fighting back is taboo; dual standard of the Left that favors criminals. How else could their bad idea get any traction; lie and cheat.

Criminals has the advantage of there being no rules, just goals. The thief may ask himself how do I take money out of the Bank, that is not mine, and get away with it? The police are expected to play by the rules, which creates a disadvantage; predictable police reactions that the skilled criminal can learn to work around.

The situation is like playing a sport where the referee makes you and your team play by the rules, but allows the other team to cheat in any way they wish. The police would like a fair game, with all playing by the same rules. But since the criminals will not stop cheating, the only fair way to play that game, is for the police to play by the no-rule policy of the criminals. Once the police level the playing field, the Left cries foul for the criminals, while never complaining if the criminal does the same thing.

My guess is the lawyer union is politically connected and needs thecriminals to have the all the advantages, since this creates jobs and money for the lawyer industry. If you reduced the number of criminals and crime, less lawyers jobs will be needed. It is not coincidence that Defense lawyers donate 90% to Left Wing Politicians, who are very soft on criminals, which, in turn, helps lawyer job growth; quid pro quo.

I sort of liked the way the Catholic Church used to do it back in the old days. They understood how evil had the advantage of no rules; lie, cheat, steal, dirty tricks, etc. For Joe the citizen to be structured for good, this put him at a disadvantage. Joe would have to turn the other cheek, while the criminal could punch him again. But being good, like Joe, was much better for culture, since the cooperative structure was more efficient.

The solution to this unfair battle between good and evil, was to allow certain righteous enforcers, to play by the looser rules of evil, and use the rules of evil, against evil. Once the house of evil was divided against itself, it can not stand. This way the majority of people could live in peace, not victimized and/or stressed into evil, by pampering by criminals with a dual standard.

 

[Revoltingest]

The solution to this unfair battle between good and evil, was to allow certain righteous enforcers, to play by the looser rules of evil, and use the rules of evil, against evil. Once the house of evil was divided against itself, it can not stand.

Just give some elite cops the right to ignore the Constitution & laws?
As we've seen, "elite" cops are some of the most incompetent & abusive.

Tyre Nichols beating raises scrutiny on 'elite' police units

Police departments across the country deploy plainclothes squads of officers in unmarked cars to tackle increasing crime rates or get guns off the street

abcnews.go.com

Give the green light to such behavior, & we'll see an increase
in distrust & hatred of cops.

 

[fantome profane]

The police are part of a connected set of social behavior; cops and robbers. I use to play cops and robber as kids with kids taking turns being each side of the coin.

And I think this is the problem. When I was a kid I too played cops and robbers, and probably most of the real cops played cops and robbers. But you know what game nobody played?

No kid ever played cops and innocent people.

A big part of the mentality of many of the real cops today is still cops and robbers. Two kinds of people, and if you are not a cop, you are a robber, a criminal. And that is how they treat people.

If you are thinking about this like two sides of the coin, there is no place for anyone who is neither cop nor robber. No place for people who are just living their lives, and no place for people who need help.

 

[averageJOE]

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear people say things like cops need better "training". As if cops, grown adults, need to be "trained' that if you suffocate someone long enough it will kill them. Cops already have a laundry list of "training" 10 miles long, they just treat is as "check the box" lesson.

End qualified immunity.
Make law enforcement pay for their own liability insurance.
Make a percentage of settlements come from both their pensions and department budgets.

Just these three things by themselves would make police brutality end practically overnight.

 

[averageJOE]

The police are part of a connected set of social behavior; cops and robbers. I use to play cops and robber as kids with kids taking turns being each side of the coin. Many people try to define the police as a separate thing, out of the context of this matching set. This is faux science, like an imaginary monopole, instead of one of the two poles of a magnet; address police but ignoring the rise of criminal behavior.

A criminal has it much easier than a honest person or a police officer, in the sense the criminals do not have play by the rules of peaceful cohabitation. If they need money, that do not have to work, but can prey on honest people like a virus on a healthy cell. The police are like the immune system, that reacts to the invasion of disease, attempting to restore order; part of a set. If there were no criminal virus or disease, there would be no need for a police immune system. They are two sides of one coin.

The irony is the political Left will justify the criminal; soft on crime and even ignore the victims of criminals, but if the police or citizens use the same rules as the criminals, to fight criminals, the sky is falling. The dividing line should not be profession, but the same behavior treated the same for all. Looting is justified for criminals, while victims fighting back is taboo; dual standard of the Left that favors criminals. How else could their bad idea get any traction; lie and cheat.

Criminals has the advantage of there being no rules, just goals. The thief may ask himself how do I take money out of the Bank, that is not mine, and get away with it? The police are expected to play by the rules, which creates a disadvantage; predictable police reactions that the skilled criminal can learn to work around.

The situation is like playing a sport where the referee makes you and your team play by the rules, but allows the other team to cheat in any way they wish. The police would like a fair game, with all playing by the same rules. But since the criminals will not stop cheating, the only fair way to play that game, is for the police to play by the no-rule policy of the criminals. Once the police level the playing field, the Left cries foul for the criminals, while never complaining if the criminal does the same thing.

My guess is the lawyer union is politically connected and needs thecriminals to have the all the advantages, since this creates jobs and money for the lawyer industry. If you reduced the number of criminals and crime, less lawyers jobs will be needed. It is not coincidence that Defense lawyers donate 90% to Left Wing Politicians, who are very soft on criminals, which, in turn, helps lawyer job growth; quid pro quo.

I sort of liked the way the Catholic Church used to do it back in the old days. They understood how evil had the advantage of no rules; lie, cheat, steal, dirty tricks, etc. For Joe the citizen to be structured for good, this put him at a disadvantage. Joe would have to turn the other cheek, while the criminal could punch him again. But being good, like Joe, was much better for culture, since the cooperative structure was more efficient.

The solution to this unfair battle between good and evil, was to allow certain righteous enforcers, to play by the looser rules of evil, and use the rules of evil, against evil. Once the house of evil was divided against itself, it can not stand. This way the majority of people could live in peace, not victimized and/or stressed into evil, by pampering by criminals with a dual standard.

One: your analogy is silly at best. It shows you have no idea how everyday cops operate.
Two: You bring up the "Left". Assuming you mean Democrats (and I'm sure I'm correct), do a little bit of research. The Democrats have passed so much pro-police legislation than the GOP could ever dream of.

 

[Revoltingest]

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear people say things like cops need better "training". As if cops, grown adults, need to be "trained' that if you suffocate someone long enough it will kill them. Cops already have a laundry list of "training" 10 miles long, they just treat is as "check the box" lesson.

Nonetheless, they do need much better & more extensive training.
There is no 10 mile laundry list of training. They get less than is
required of a cosmetologist (1400 to 2000 hours). Cops get far
less, averaging 833 hours....unless fast tracked for affirmative action.

What to expect from police academy training

Considering a career in law enforcement? This is what you can expect to learn in the police academy

www.police1.com

As former cop, Abiyah Israel (of youtube channel We The People)
says, he had no training in the law. He discovered how poor his
training was only after being on the job. He took it upon himself
to learn what he needed to know to avoid violating people's rights.

So who should get the far greater training....one who might
spoil a coiffure, or one with a license to kill?

End qualified immunity.
Make law enforcement pay for their own liability insurance.
Make a percentage of settlements come from both their pensions and department budgets.

Just these three things by themselves would make police brutality end practically overnight.

Good suggestions.
But not enuf.
Dealing with children, elderly, neuro-divergent people requires
special training they currently don't receive. There should be
more non-cops to augment services dealing with them.

 

[averageJOE]

Nonetheless, they do need much better & more extensive training.
There is no 10 mile laundry list of training. They get less than is
required of a cosmetologist (1400 to 2000 hours). Cops get far
less, averaging 833 hours....unless fast tracked for affirmative action.

What to expect from police academy training

Considering a career in law enforcement? This is what you can expect to learn in the police academy

www.police1.com

As former cop, Abiyah Israel (of youtube channel We The People)
says, he had no training in the law. He discovered how poor his
training was only after being on the job. He took it upon himself
to learn what he needed to know to avoid violating people's rights.

So who should get the far greater training....one who might
spoil a coiffure, or one with a license to kill?

Good suggestions.
But not enuf.
Dealing with children, elderly, neuro-divergent people requires
special training they currently don't receive. There should be
more non-cops to augment services dealing with them.

I'm not talking about what "training" they get at the academy, that's beyond a joke. I'm talking about the laundry list of "training" they go through, at the department level, if they are "punished" or to receive a promotion (They don't get SWAT training at the academy. And how many times have you heard of a cop getting "additional training" after a case of brutality). I was 11 years in the Military Police and spent hours upon hours sharing dorms and barracks with cops as well as trained with them. I've listened to one talk laugh about having to take "sensitivity" and "diversity" training for kicking a handcuffed guy in the face. Everyone laughed, told him to go through the motions, and gave him advice on how to write the reports in the future.

Just like the military, all cops do is train. They train on how to be a hammer and treat every situation as a nail. Any other training less that that is treated as a joke, and there is a lot of it. You can't "train" someone to not be a bully or a sociopath. That's just who they are. That's who the job attracts. Cops are arrogant, heavily militarized, impervious to accountability, trained and encouraged to handle situations with brute force, and this culture and attitude is contagious. No amount of training is going to fix that. No amount of training is going to stop a cop from beating you up and throwing you in a cage because you made him feel disrespected.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not talking about what "training" they get at the academy, that's beyond a joke. I'm talking about the laundry list of "training" they go through, at the department level, if they are "punished" or to receive a promotion (They don't get SWAT training at the academy. And how many times have you heard of a cop getting "additional training" after a case of brutality). I was 11 years in the Military Police and spent hours upon hours sharing dorms and barracks with cops as well as trained with them. I've listened to one talk laugh about having to take "sensitivity" and "diversity" training for kicking a handcuffed guy in the face. Everyone laughed, told him to go through the motions, and gave him advice on how to write the reports in the future.

Just like the military, all cops do is train. They train on how to be a hammer and treat every situation as a nail. Any other training less that that is treated as a joke, and there is a lot of it. You can't "train" someone to not be a bully or a sociopath. That's just who they are. That's who the job attracts. Cops are arrogant, heavily militarized, impervious to accountability, trained and encouraged to handle situations with brute force, and this culture and attitude is contagious. No amount of training is going to fix that. No amount of training is going to stop a cop from beating you up and throwing you in a cage because you made him feel disrespected.

Your views are noted.

 

[Revoltingest]

San Jose CA...Cops escalate a situation that was
being resolved, & viciously beat a couple.
Note how not one cop in this group stopped
the beatings.
San Jose cops investigated themselves, & found
they did no wrong. It was all the victims' fault.

 

[Heyo]

The police are part of a connected set of social behavior; cops and robbers. I use to play cops and robber as kids with kids taking turns being each side of the coin. Many people try to define the police as a separate thing, out of the context of this matching set. This is faux science, like an imaginary monopole, instead of one of the two poles of a magnet; address police but ignoring the rise of criminal behavior.

A criminal has it much easier than a honest person or a police officer, in the sense the criminals do not have play by the rules of peaceful cohabitation. If they need money, that do not have to work, but can prey on honest people like a virus on a healthy cell. The police are like the immune system, that reacts to the invasion of disease, attempting to restore order; part of a set. If there were no criminal virus or disease, there would be no need for a police immune system. They are two sides of one coin.

The irony is the political Left will justify the criminal; soft on crime and even ignore the victims of criminals, but if the police or citizens use the same rules as the criminals, to fight criminals, the sky is falling. The dividing line should not be profession, but the same behavior treated the same for all. Looting is justified for criminals, while victims fighting back is taboo; dual standard of the Left that favors criminals. How else could their bad idea get any traction; lie and cheat.

Criminals has the advantage of there being no rules, just goals. The thief may ask himself how do I take money out of the Bank, that is not mine, and get away with it? The police are expected to play by the rules, which creates a disadvantage; predictable police reactions that the skilled criminal can learn to work around.

The situation is like playing a sport where the referee makes you and your team play by the rules, but allows the other team to cheat in any way they wish. The police would like a fair game, with all playing by the same rules. But since the criminals will not stop cheating, the only fair way to play that game, is for the police to play by the no-rule policy of the criminals. Once the police level the playing field, the Left cries foul for the criminals, while never complaining if the criminal does the same thing.

My guess is the lawyer union is politically connected and needs thecriminals to have the all the advantages, since this creates jobs and money for the lawyer industry. If you reduced the number of criminals and crime, less lawyers jobs will be needed. It is not coincidence that Defense lawyers donate 90% to Left Wing Politicians, who are very soft on criminals, which, in turn, helps lawyer job growth; quid pro quo.

I sort of liked the way the Catholic Church used to do it back in the old days. They understood how evil had the advantage of no rules; lie, cheat, steal, dirty tricks, etc. For Joe the citizen to be structured for good, this put him at a disadvantage. Joe would have to turn the other cheek, while the criminal could punch him again. But being good, like Joe, was much better for culture, since the cooperative structure was more efficient.

The solution to this unfair battle between good and evil, was to allow certain righteous enforcers, to play by the looser rules of evil, and use the rules of evil, against evil. Once the house of evil was divided against itself, it can not stand. This way the majority of people could live in peace, not victimized and/or stressed into evil, by pampering by criminals with a dual standard.

This post is ridiculous on so many levels. The criminals don't have the advantage, the cops do. If a (lowly) criminal gets caught, he goes to jail, if a cop gets caught, he may get fired, reprimanded or even promoted.
The cops should not be a team in your analogy, they should be the referees. And if they see a cop playing for one side, they should judge them equally as all players - but they don't.
And for the "left" being soft on crime, have you watched the news lately? Do you know who wants to defund the FBI? (And not for excessive violence but for doing their job.)
Do you know who wants to be above the law (and have their brothers in crime above the law)?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The solution to this unfair battle between good and evil, was to allow certain righteous enforcers, to play by the looser rules of evil, and use the rules of evil, against evil. Once the house of evil was divided against itself, it can not stand. This way the majority of people could live in peace, not victimized and/or stressed into evil, by pampering by criminals with a dual standard.

Stuff like that is why most of the Bill of Rights deals with protections against the state during the entirety of the criminal-justice process.

 

[Revoltingest]

Stuff like that is why most of the Bill of Rights deals with protections against the state during the entirety of the criminal-justice process.

Alas, his views are common. Even on RF, posters
have blamed the victims for being illegally assaulted.
If one is a jerk, emotional, or impaired in some way,
they're fair game for angry cops thumping them.
The Constitution is irrelevant to many people in so
many ways, 1st Amendment, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 14th....

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Alas, his views are common. Even on RF, posters
have blamed the victims for being illegally assaulted.
If one is a jerk, emotional, or impaired in some way,
they're fair game for angry cops thumping them.
The Constitution is irrelevant to many people in so
many ways, 1st Amendment, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 14th....

Yup. Unfortunately not mant realize J Edgar Hoover's unconstitutional means fighting the mob failed in the long run. There was some success, of course, but the risk to ordinary citizens who did nothing more than be in close proximity to a bad cop is just too great. Then we're back to ages past where nothing more than a suspicion can get you hanged on the spot without trial or evidence to support your guilt.

 

[Orbit]

That's needed for the mental health field, but some areas in California have tried that and failed. It's an overall image issue. The cops are corrupt and dirty overall, and it turns out good, upstanding, honest people just aren't interested. People don't really wanna be cops anymore. They'd rather work with people not known for violence and bullying.

It's actually kind of sad. I work with (some) students who want to be cops. They want to live in CSI or are inspired by other cop shows to declare a major in Criminal Justice. They like guns. They think it's ok that jails/prisons are brutal. Some manage to become criminals before they graduate (I kid you not). The psychology of it is interesting, if tragic.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's actually kind of sad. I work with (some) students who want to be cops. They want to live in CSI or are inspired by other cop shows to declare a major in Criminal Justice. They like guns. They think it's ok that jails/prisons are brutal. Some manage to become criminals before they graduate (I kid you not). The psychology of it is interesting, if tragic.

It seems to me the cops need disempowered so the job doesn't attract authoritarians and bullies. Perhaps something like a consent model in England is needed here?
Amd what I find wild about English police, is their how many ever points for good policing, though it's been around for awhile it reads like it's a direct response to how bad American cops are amd a means to prevent it from happening there.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems to me the cops need disempowered so the job doesn't attract authoritarians and bullies. Perhaps something like a consent model in England is needed here?
Amd what I find wild about English police, is their how many ever points for good policing, though it's been around for awhile it reads like it's a direct response to how bad American cops are amd a means to prevent it from happening there.

Brits have their bad cops too.
But it appears they manage the problem better.

 

[Revoltingest]

FL cop brake checks a motorcyclist, causing an accident.
(Biker is lucky to be alive.) Brake checking is illegal, &
cops will ticket you for it.
(For the unfamiliar, "brake checking" is to rapidly stop
in front of another vehicle, forcing them to brake hard
or crash.)
If the cop wanted to initiate a traffic stop, he should've
properly pulled him over, not cause a crash.
(It wasn't really an accident, was it.)

Fortunately, the police department is investigating itself.
I'm sure the cop will be ticketed for reckless driving &
causing the accident.