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Could Nothingness Be Another Dimension In And Of Itself?

Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
ben d said:
The damner and that damned are not really two separate things....that's just the dualistic mind's maya... haha..just teasing....but still true...:D
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I understand Ben. :) What I just don't get is why Godnotgod insists that the Animating Factor must somehow be separate from the universe, or that interaction must be separate from the universe. It is all one and the same...a total action of the universe.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
Did you miss the part about the mystical experience being beyond Logic, Reason, and Analysis, while leaving no trace? And yet, you persist in your silly demand. So how long have you been a member of the Evidence Nazis?

"Your papers, please!"
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Yes. Please provide evidence. Mystical experience falls kinda short. I will not accept anything as factual if it is beyond reason or logic.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Runewolf1973 said:
I understand Ben. :) What I just don't get is why Godnotgod insists that the Animating Factor must somehow be separate from the universe, or that interaction must be separate from the universe. It is all one and the same...a total action of the universe.
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I get ya...the Eternal Tao of the never ending dance....(of ying and yang)....
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Runewolf1973 said:
As you can see the property of, or in other words the "nature" of the Four Fundamental forces is as follows...
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I've been working with the traditional four elements or properties for a while, those are earth, fire, wind and water. I was mulling over how the theory of interaction would work with those. Elements interacting seems to make more sense than properties interacting. What do you think?
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Spiny Norman said:
Could you say how you think about animism and shamanism then?
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Shamanism to me is about working with forces of nature. Animism to me is not about the supernatural spirits, it is about so-called "inanimate" objects...the sun, the moon, the stars, rocks, rivers, etc...all being animated by natural forces. I also have rather materialistic views regarding reincarnation. So to just to clarify... I do not view animism or shamanism as beyond reason or logic. I believe there is a reasonable or logical explanation for those things we consider unexplained.
 
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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Runewolf1973 said:
Shamanism to me is about working with forces of nature. Animism to me is not about the supernatural spirits, it is about so-called "inanimate" objects...the sun, the moon, the stars, rocks, rivers, etc...all being animated by natural forces. I also have rather materialistic views regarding reincarnation. So to just to clarify... I do not view animism or shamanism as beyond reason or logic. I believe there is a reasonable or logical explanation for those things we consider unexplained.
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Could you say a little about how you work with the forces of nature, practically speaking?

And would you say you're really more of a naturalist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
Spiny Norman said:
Could you say a little about how you work with the forces of nature, practically speaking?

And would you say you're really more of a naturalist? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)
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Yes, it is very much naturalistic. Somehow I am able to look at a person or their picture and I'll see energy patterns which represent illness and I can remotely manipulate them. I honestly don't know how it works, but I am positive there is a natural explanation for it. Sounds wierd I know...:)

Shamanism is for the most part a curiosity of mine. I don't do a great deal of shamanic work. I kinda dabble with it now and them. As far as animism is concerned, I believe everything is animated by natural forces. Our primitive ancestors called them nature spirits which at the time was understandable. Modern day physicists call them the Fundamental Forces.
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
What you percieve as dualities with regards to my theories or my use of terminology are not true dualities. They are seeming dualities. The universe is one undivided whole. The interactions are not separate, nor is the Animating Factor separate. The universe as a singular, all-encompassing unit IS the Animating Factor.
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Therefore, YOU are the Animating Factor and The Universe, all of which are aware.

Story end. And a good time was had by all.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
Shamanism to me is about working with forces of nature. Animism to me is not about the supernatural spirits, it is about so-called "inanimate" objects...the sun, the moon, the stars, rocks, rivers, etc...all being animated by natural forces. I also have rather materialistic views regarding reincarnation. So to just to clarify... I do not view animism or shamanism as beyond reason or logic.
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ha ha ha...

"inanimate" objects...the sun, the moon, the stars, rocks, rivers, etc...all being animated by natural forces."

IOW, the 'animator of the animation', a dualistic view, as well as being a variation of the Artefact View, by which God (the Animating Factor) breathes life into an inanimate clay figure (man).

Holy Pinnochio!

(edit: have you considered, even for a moment, that what you call the 'Animating Factor' and that which is being animated, are actually one and the same? The Hindus express it thus: 'tat tvam asi': 'Thou art That', and Vivekenanda as:

"The Universe IS [none other than] The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation"

I believe there is a reasonable or logical explanation for those things we consider unexplained.
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Of course you do, but the real question is WHY you do.
 
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Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
(edit: have you considered, even for a moment, that what you call the 'Animating Factor' and that which is being animated, are actually one and the same?
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Ummm...yah. Actually that was the point I was trying to make when I said that the Animating Factor IS the totality of the universe.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
Therefore, YOU are the Animating Factor and The Universe, all of which are aware.

Story end. And a good time was had by all.
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All is the Animating Factor, but the Animating Factor is not conscious, it is interactive, ever-changing and omnipresent.
 
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Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
ha ha ha...

"inanimate" objects...the sun, the moon, the stars, rocks, rivers, etc...all being animated by natural forces."

IOW, the 'animator of the animation', a dualistic view, as well as being a variation of the Artefact View, by which God (the Animating Factor) breathes life into an inanimate clay figure (man).
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You are mistaking my view for a dualistic view which it is not. Do you consider mother and father to be a duality? I don't, even though when you speak of them they seem like dualities. Similarly, the Animating Factor or even "interaction" may seem like a dualities to you, but they are not. Do you consider Earth and Sky to be a duality? I don't. Everything is interconnected. Though from a certain vantage point everything seems separate and dualistic, that is not the fact of the matter. Everything is the One acting as the many.

You foolishly mock that which don't understand.

Really my view is not too far off from your own. The difference is I never abandoned logic and reason.
 
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