Counterfeit Twenties

[Fool]

does anyone realize?
Floyd was being arrested for passing fake twenties

isn't that a crime?

yes but the policeman used overkill. the man was falling down drunk. why does it take three men and a knee on the neck to hold down a falling drunk. there is a form of tribalism among some police; wherein a drunk driver, police officer and/or soldier, by profession are simply given a ride home.


maybe they should just shoot drunks passing counterfeit bills?


innocent, until proven guilty


we don't know that he knew the bill was counterfeit


it's not a police problem. it's a human problem in treating people different under the law. that is perverting the law. lady justice is blind for a reason

 

[Wu Wei]

Did Floyd deserve to die for what he allegedly had done? No
Was the Police officer justified in putting his knee on his neck? No
Should there be protests about police over use of force "in this situation"? Yes
Was Floyd a hero? No
Was Floyd a convicted criminal? Yes

And meanwhile, why is absolutely no one saying one damn thing about Martin Gugino?

 

[Thief]

I think the knee to the neck
holds the arrested in place
while the situation around the police is accounted for

as I said a moment ago.....
I would expect the officer to hold his position
until he is certain the developing crowd around him is not going to be a problem

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

does anyone realize?
Floyd was being arrested for passing fake twenties

isn't that a crime?

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[Nimos]

It's interesting that the US is the country with this problem. You don't see it in the UK or France, for example.

Why is that?

Because criminals are handled like this?

 

[bobhikes]

does anyone realize?
Floyd was being arrested for passing fake twenties

isn't that a crime?

It was one fake twenty and I can't find anything about him passing more or that he knew it was fake. Unless he knew it was fake it is not a crime. I have accidentally passed a few in my life, never were the cops called. They just keep the bill.

Supposedly there were a few fakes being passed around in the neighborhood. Nobody knows who and some store's have said they have not had a problem with fakes. If you have other information please provide a link.

 

[Wu Wei]

I think the knee to the neck
holds the arrested in place
while the situation around the police is accounted for

as I said a moment ago.....
I would expect the officer to hold his position
until he is certain the developing crowd around him is not going to be a problem

Even Police and police chiefs are stating the knee on the neck was excessive use of force. I've done a lot of restraints in my younger days in security for hospital and state government. He was down, in cuffs and not all that hard to control without the knee. Add to that there were 3 more officers there for crowd control. It was excessive. Does that make all police bad? Not by a long shot. Is defunding police because of this a good idea? Not by a long shot. Defunding Police in a place like LA with the gangs issues they have there and you end up with Snake Plissken and escape from LA.

 

[Nimos]

I think the knee to the neck
holds the arrested in place
while the situation around the police is accounted for

as I said a moment ago.....
I would expect the officer to hold his position
until he is certain the developing crowd around him is not going to be a problem

Wouldn't it be rather sensitive logic for the police to only apply force if they are threaten? I mean the man is already in handcuffs, what exactly is he going to do?

 

[Thief]

Wouldn't it be rather sensitive logic for the police to only apply force if they are threaten? I mean the man is already in handcuffs, what exactly is he going to do?

I say.....it was the crowd that killed Floyd

he would have been in the car a lot quicker
if the cops didn't have to be wary of their surroundings

really.....

don't point your fingers at cops and yell at them

it's very distracting

and you could end up on your face for interfering

 

[ChristineM]

and I am certain.....if it was MY face on the pavement

NOTHING I say will get the cop off.....
if he is distracted by ANY thing nearby

he will not give an inch until he feels sure he can do so
without giving ANY advantage away

Or the victim dies, whichever comes first

 

[Polymath257]

and I am certain.....if it was MY face on the pavement

NOTHING I say will get the cop off.....
if he is distracted by ANY thing nearby

he will not give an inch until he feels sure he can do so
without giving ANY advantage away

So you are blaming the crowd?

Have you watched the video? The cop with his knee on the neck was NOT agitated. He was NOT distracted by a crowd. He was deliberately killing another person without cause.

 

[Revoltingest]

does anyone realize?
Floyd was being arrested for passing fake twenties

isn't that a crime?

It's not a crime if he was unaware they're fake.
You & I both prolly passed one in our long long history of spending money.

 

[Thief]

So you are blaming the crowd?

Have you watched the video? The cop with his knee on the neck was NOT agitated. He was NOT distracted by a crowd. He was deliberately killing another person without cause.

I saw the cop looking around him

not sure about one thing......was he prepared to draw his weapon?

likely so

 

[ChristineM]

It's interesting that the US is the country with this problem. You don't see it in the UK or France, for example.

Why is that? Well, partly it is a police culture that is precisely what you are describing. And that culture needs to change.

Actually french police have something of a reputation for violent arrests. Not quite up to the high standards of violence of the US police but not good. However France is doing something about it

France said on Monday it would ban the controversial chokehold method used to detain suspects, after the death in custody of George Floyd in the United States intensified anger over the behaviour of French police.​

France police to ban chokehold arrest as protest anger mounts - France 24

 

[Thief]

Or the victim dies, whichever comes first

bear that in mind

if ever you are close enough to witness an arrest

DON'T run over to the scene and start yelling at the cop

 

[BSM1]

yes but the policeman used overkill. the man was falling down drunk. why does it take three men and a knee on the neck to hold down a falling drunk. there is a form of tribalism among some police; wherein a drunk driver, police officer and/or soldier, by profession are simply given a ride home.


maybe they should just shoot drunks passing counterfeit bills?


innocent, until proven guilty


we don't know that he knew the bill was counterfeit


it's not a police problem. it's a human problem in treating people different under the law. that is perverting the law. lady justice is blind for a reason

Not trying to take sides, but have you ever tried to control even a small drunk woman, let alone a large drunk man? Don't try this at home...

 

[ChristineM]

bear that in mind

if ever you are close enough to witness an arrest

DON'T run over to the scene and start yelling at the cop

If the cop is deliberately killing a restrained suspect then yes, i would intervene and i would hope anyone with a modicum of moral decency would be there with me.

Murder of a captive person is as low and cowardly as it gets

 

[Thief]

If the cop is deliberately killing a restrained suspect then yes, i would intervene and i would hope anyone with a modicum of moral decency would be there with me.

Murder of a captive person is as low and cowardly as it gets

oh........so you are certain

it was cold blooded and intentional homicide?

 

[Thief]

Not trying to take sides, but have you ever tried to control even a small drunk woman, let alone a large drunk man? Don't try this at home...

as a martial artist......

the school of discipline was that of submission
not a point ...tag.....I got you

as the study work unfolded it was noted repeatedly
FAR easier to do serious bodily harm

controlling the struggle while NOT harming the opponent is next to impossible

so we have the 'tap out' gesture
and unlike the MMA version of fluttering fingers
it was more like firm and rapidly repeating slaps

unfortunately
the scheme of arrest does not have a tap out.....let me go......
plea

no such plea

no let go

and the crowd yelling the same thing wont work either

 

[David1967]

does anyone realize?
Floyd was being arrested for passing fake twenties

isn't that a crime?

It is. But until trial, it is an "alleged" crime. The question arises as to how he came by the bill. By accident or on purpose. But regardless of that, passing a counterfeit bill is not a crime that carries the death penalty. And on top of that, the police officers' job is not to be judge, jury, and executioner, but rather to bring the individual in. The man was in handcuffs for crying out loud.