COVID-19: God's Punishment for Homosexuality?

[URAVIP2ME]

Since God decides what is wrong or not, the point is moot. He can kill whoever he wants and call it justice can he not?

Jesus gave us a New Commandment at John 13:34-35.
In God's Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18 we are to love neighbor as self.
In Jesus' New commandment we are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self, more than the Golden Rule.
God knows who wants to have self-sacrificing love for Him and others.
So, it is only the 'wicked' who will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7

 

[epronovost]

Jesus gave us a New Commandment at John 13:34-35.
In God's Golden Rule of Leviticus 19:18 we are to love neighbor as self.
In Jesus' New commandment we are to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor ' more ' than self, more than the Golden Rule.
God knows who wants to have self-sacrificing love for Him and others.
So, it is only the 'wicked' who will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7

The passage you quoted is a paradox. Your deities says to love others more than yourself, to be ready to sacrifice everything for others and at the same time does not follow his own instruction by "destroying the wicked", thus not loving others more than himself. Plus, this doesn't address any of the problems underlined in this thread abot divine justice and responsability.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Then whence comes the need for punishment and justice? That rule, by its structure, is optionnal.

So, to me then that means we are Not free to be law breakers.
We are free to act responsibly toward God in that we are Not forced to be responsible people.
However, to act irresponsibly and become wicked then we will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7
This is why we are told at 2 Peter 3:9 to ' repent ' so as Not to ' perish ' ( be destroyed ) .
Jesus taught that humble meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5. - Psalms 37:9-11.
So, Earth was Not created for wicked people.
God will bring to ruin those who bring ruin to Earth as per Revelation 11:18 B.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The passage you quoted is a paradox. Your deities says to love others more than yourself, to be ready to sacrifice everything for others and at the same time does not follow his own instruction by "destroying the wicked", thus not loving others more than himself. Plus, this doesn't address any of the problems underlined in this thread about divine justice and responsability.

By warning the wicked to repent is loving because God does Not want any to be destroyed. - 2 Peter 3:9
God will Not allow the wicked to destroy the righteous. There would be No justice for upright people.
This is why the 'good news of God's kingdom' (Daniel 2:44) is now being declared on a grand international scale as never before in history as per Jesus instructions found at Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8.

 

[epronovost]

So, to me then that means we are Not free to be law breakers.
We are free to act responsibly toward God in that we are Not forced to be responsible people.
However, to act irresponsibly and become wicked then we will be ' destroyed forever ' - Psalms 92:7
This is why we are told at 2 Peter 3:9 to ' repent ' so as Not to ' perish ' ( be destroyed ) .
Jesus taught that humble meek people will inherit the Earth - Matthew 5:5. - Psalms 37:9-11.
So, Earth was Not created for wicked people.
God will bring to ruin those who bring ruin to Earth as per Revelation 11:18 B.

I'm asking because when someone says "you are free to do X", that means that they can do X if they want not that they must. What you say is that your deity has given us one rule: "you must act responsibly toward me". This is also known as "do what I say". How is someone following such a rule perfectly different from a robot already?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm asking because when someone says "you are free to do X", that means that they can do X if they want not that they must. What you say is that your deity has given us one rule: "you must act responsibly toward me". This is also known as "do what I say". How is someone following such a rule perfectly different from a robot already?

Choices, voluntary choices.
I like that motto found at McSorley's in New York City to ' Be Good or Be Gone '.
If one chooses Not to be good it brings badness to others.
Earth was Not created for bad people to cause trouble for good people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Only two possible conclusions, for the minister, I'm afraid. If he's right, then either he is gay or God's aim has deteriorated over the millenia...

He did have to send a hurricane to New Orleans. And he just keeps punishing us. And punishing us. Hasn't he learned we're a bunch of masochist and he's just exciting us?

 

[epronovost]

Choices, voluntary choices.

They aren't volontary if they come with a threat. How volontary is your choice to repair my house if I promise to kill your most beloved pet if you don't?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

So if I believed everything your weakling of a deity was the hottest stuff ever made and imagined, I would believe he is the hottest stuff ever... you, sir, have really mastered the art of tautology, but failed to realise how ridiculous this is. I can only hope you have a sliver more strength than your God or, failling that, that you are never placed in a situation where your judgement could have grave consequences.

I don't expect you to believe it. It is what I believe as recorded in the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Which is PRECISELY why the monstrous god you depict is not worthy of the worship of anyone with even a modicum of morality. Slaughtering the innocent along with the guilty is no better than the Germans during WWII who'd round up and execute a hundred innocent citizens, just because the French Resistance killed a single German soldier. What a warped sense of justice you must have to defend such behavior.

He is worthy of my worship, and receives it. He is worthy of everyone's worship but at this time does not receive it. But He will one day, according to the Bible.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[epronovost]

He is worthy of everyone's worship but at this time does not receive it. Good-Ole-Rebel

He isn't worthy of me. I basically surpass him in almost much every domain and so do most people so it's not exactly a hard bar to clear. At that speed I'd rather worship you than your deity since I have an incling you surpass it too in most domain, but are a bit to shy or humble to actually realise it.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

He isn't worthy of me. I basically surpass him in almost much every domain and so do most people so it's not exactly a hard bar to clear. At that speed I'd rather worship you than your deity since I have an incling you surpass it too in most domain, but are a bit to shy or humble to actually realise it.

I read in a Christian book not to long ago, but I can't remember which one, where a man made a point that I had never considered. He said throughout the Bible you will never find satan, or his angels, or demons, mock or say disparaging words about God or Christ. The only creature in the universe that does so, is puny insignificant fallen man.

Thus I have payed attention as I read through the Bible constantly, and so far I must agree with him. I have found no irreverent remarks by satan or his angels or demons. Just from fallen mankind do we hear them.

You say you 'surpass God'. Yet the Scripture says even satan knew that such a goal was impossible as he only desired to be 'like God'. There is no greater than God...according to the Bible. (Is. 14:14)

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[epronovost]

You say you 'surpass God'. Yet the Scripture says even satan knew that such a goal was impossible as he only desired to be 'like God'. There is no greater than God...according to the Bible. (Is. 14:14)

Good-Ole-Rebel

Aren't your scripture your deity's sales pitch and book? You know, the book written by him and his cronies. I wouldn't expect your little deity to write a lot of embarrassing things though some did slip by the editors like that time he and his gang got their *** handed to them by the Hittites and their iron chariots to name just one.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Aren't your scripture your deity's sales pitch and book. You know, the book written by him and his cronies. I wouldn't expect your little deity to write a lot of embarassing things though some to slip by the editors like that time he and his gang got their *** handed to them by the Hittites and their iron chariots to name just one.

Yes, the Bible declares to be the Word of God and God used man in the writing of it. And of course I believe it.

You will need to be specific about the battle of the Hittites you are talking about.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[epronovost]

Yes, the Bible declares to be the Word of God and God used man in the writing of it. And of course I believe it.

You will need to be specific about the battle of the Hittites you are talking about.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Judge 1: 19. It's a short snipet about how the people of Judah, supported by your deity, managed to installed themselves on the hills, but failed to conquer the plains because their enemy had iron chariots. Iron chariots were an invention of the Hittites who did dominate the region.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Judge 1: 19. It's a short snipet about how the people of Judah, supported by your deity, managed to installed themselves on the hills, but failed to conquer the plains because their enemy had iron chariots. Iron chariots were an invention of the Hittites who did dominate the region.

When you read the whole chapter you will see that there were many of the Canaanites that were not driven out. (Judges 1:21-36) All of which was disobedience to the LORD. The Israelites defeats were products of their moving away from God. (Judges 2:1-3). See (Joshua 7:1-5)

Thus you have this reoccurring theme in the book of (Judges). The Israelites turn away from God, and God raises up an enemy against them who are of those they failed to conquer in the land. They in turn, turn back to God and God delivers them through a judge as they had no king at that time.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[epronovost]

When you read the whole chapter you will see that there were many of the Canaanites that were not driven out. (Judges 1:21-36) All of which was disobedience to the LORD. The Israelites defeats were products of their moving away from God. (Judges 2:1-3). See (Joshua 7:1-5)
Good-Ole-Rebel

Congratulation, you have just realised your deity is a poor general and an even worst sovereign and leader. He failed to secure his first victories before attempting new ones leading to the defeat of his forces. That's a rookie's mistake. Your deity basically spent centuries back tracking because he was too foolish to secure his successes.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Congratulation, you have just realised your deity is a poor general and an even worst sovereign and leader. He failed to secure his first victories before attempting new ones leading to the defeat of his forces. That's a rookie's mistake. Your deity basically spent centuries back tracking because he was too foolish to secure his successes.

Let's see, Israel is in the land last time I read the news.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[epronovost]

Let's see, Israel is in the land last time I read the news.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Indeed and about 30% of its population isn't Jewish would you look at that (and not at its biblical size neither is it a theocracy or a kingdom for that matter). Then again, they had "iron chariots" and more this time around.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Indeed and about 30% of its population isn't Jewish would you look at that (and not at its biblical size neither is it a theocracy or a kingdom for that matter). Then again, they had "iron chariots" and more this time around.

Don't worry. God is not finished yet.

Good-Ole-Rebel