Subduction Zone
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Shhh! Ixnay on the Yretay. No need to bring up another failed prophecy of the Bible.
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Creation scientists say it was Noah's flood that broke apart the continents. AIG
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Shhh! Ixnay on the Yretay. No need to bring up another failed prophecy of the Bible.
Subduction Zone, you skipped over my question, care to answer it now?
Just asking----
You can say that it is none of my business & I will accept your answer
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sooda
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Probably. The Red Sea is still getting wider caused by volcanic activity on it floor .. .. and of course the whole Arabian peninsula is tipping to the East.
Subduction Zone
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Rude questions are ignored.Subduction Zone, you skipped over my question, care to answer it now?
Just asking----
You can say that it is none of my business & I will accept your answer
Subduction Zone
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An inability to understand another aspect of science does not help you.It's called gravity
Subduction Zone
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No mispellings there. I guess it worked.Don't you have spell checker-?
slow down, cool off, then post your reply
OK
The Hebrews were not the only people who believed there was a great flood.
The flood myth is found among many cultures as seen in the Mesopotamian flood stories, Deucalion and Pyrrha in Greek mythology, the Genesis flood narrative, Pralaya in Hinduism, the Gun-Yu in Chinese mythology, Bergelmir in Norse mythology, in the lore of the K'iche' and Maya peoples in Mesoamerica, the Lac Courte Oreilles Ojibwa tribe of Native Americans in North America, the Muisca, and Cañari Confederation, in South America, and the Aboriginal tribes in southern Australia.
Flood myth - WikipediaFlood myth - Wikipediathe same thing?
You must ask yourself, is this just a coincidence that all these cultures believed the same thing or could it be they all witnessed the same thing?
Many places in the world were under water at some point of geological history. So, it is fairly common to find sea shells far inland, as well as fossil fish and other fossils that are clearly from a marine environment. These could easily have been found by people who then tried to explain their findings. Also, most people who could ived by rivers that flooded at least occasionally.
Given that, the speculation of a flood would not be too surprising. That alone could explain many of the flood stories. When you see fossils of water animals in the mountains, it seems like a natural guess of what happened.
But, that doens't mean there was a global flood when humans were around.
sooda
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The Himalayas are still getting taller.. so plate tectonics probably account for shells and fossils being found on mountain tops.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
They do, as when during the time whereas all the ice was gone on earth, the sea level never got even remotely close to their current height.
You claim to be a geologist, so please comment on this------------
Flood or erosion
Not only does the rate of erosion fail to match up with what we see in the geologic column, especially on mountain ranges throughout the world, but the pattern of erosion does not seem to match up either. As mentioned earlier, erosion generally forms very uneven surfaces. Now, look again at the pictures of the Grand Canyon in this paper and notice the crisp parallel lines between each layer. Many claim that there are evidences of erosion in lower layers, evidences of rivers, streams, rain, etc. However, these are generally isolated findings such as one might expect if they were formed rapidly, such as occurs with the rapid runoff of waters after a catastrophic flooding event.
After this formation, a massive amount of water was suddenly released in a huge runoff that covered several states, flowing from east to west. All of the sediment over the Grand Canyon region, above the Kaibab, was removed very rapidly by an extremely wide sheet of rapidly running water. Cedar Ridge was one massive waterfall. One can visualize this by looking from the Lake Powell region toward the Grand Canyon region in the satellite photo to the right. Notice that there is a distinct V-shaped formation at the tip where the eastern Grand Canyon begins - pointing toward Lake Powell. One can also recognize the deep punched-out appearance of the Canyon itself from the satellite photo as well as many of the other Canyon photos presented here. In other photos one can see the massive cliff-like faces that form a very wide valley where, in the middle, the Grand Canyon has been formed. The Grand Canyon is actually the baby canyon in comparison to the canyon in which is sits.
It seems that the sheet of rushing water dissipated before it could remove all of the elevated features, such as the various flat-topped buttes, in the GC region - which still remain as isolated islands sticking up above the relative flatness of the surrounding landscape. Also, as the water rapidly dissipated and the sheet of water narrowed, the "steps" of the Grand Staircase were formed.
The Geologic Column
Subduction Zone, what say you?
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HonestJoe
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You've still not established exactly who those witnesses were. Quoting the Bible doesn't identify the witnesses since the OT doesn't have established authors.
But the fact remains that the creationist "scientists" refereed to in the OP are arguing for the total global flood actually happening as described in the Bible, not regional flooding that could have been wrongly perceived as such.
Subduction Zone
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Correct. Once again during a major glaciation sea level drops. It never rises. The reason is twofold First the fact that water expands on freezing would not raise sea level one iota. People who observe that forget that ice floats and it displaces the same volume of water whether solid, with part of its volume above the surface therefore not affecting sea level, or liquid, where all of its volume displaces water. It is why the melting of the Arctic Ice cap is not a major problem for sea level rise in global warming. What we are concerned with are the ice sheets on land that are melting on Greenland and Antarctica. And that brings us to the second point. Ice sheets take water out of the ocean dropping sea level. That was the source of the land bridge between northeast Asia and Alaska. The sea level dropped until bare land was exposed. When those ice sheets melt they only raise sea level to its former levels.
Subduction Zone
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Try finding a science based source. Someone that does not understand geology is not a reliable source. You might as well have posted a paper by a Dentist on how to tune a car.You claim to be a geologist, so please comment on this------------
Flood or erosion
Not only does the rate of erosion fail to match up with what we see in the geologic column, especially on mountain ranges throughout the world, but the pattern of erosion does not seem to match up either. As mentioned earlier, erosion generally forms very uneven surfaces. Now, look again at the pictures of the Grand Canyon in this paper and notice the crisp parallel lines between each layer. Many claim that there are evidences of erosion in lower layers, evidences of rivers, streams, rain, etc. However, these are generally isolated findings such as one might expect if they were formed rapidly, such as occurs with the rapid runoff of waters after a catastrophic flooding event.
After this formation, a massive amount of water was suddenly released in a huge runoff that covered several states, flowing from east to west. All of the sediment over the Grand Canyon region, above the Kaibab, was removed very rapidly by an extremely wide sheet of rapidly running water. Cedar Ridge was one massive waterfall. One can visualize this by looking from the Lake Powell region toward the Grand Canyon region in the satellite photo to the right. Notice that there is a distinct V-shaped formation at the tip where the eastern Grand Canyon begins - pointing toward Lake Powell. One can also recognize the deep punched-out appearance of the Canyon itself from the satellite photo as well as many of the other Canyon photos presented here. In other photos one can see the massive cliff-like faces that form a very wide valley where, in the middle, the Grand Canyon has been formed. The Grand Canyon is actually the baby canyon in comparison to the canyon in which is sits.
It seems that the sheet of rushing water dissipated before it could remove all of the elevated features, such as the various flat-topped buttes, in the GC region - which still remain as isolated islands sticking up above the relative flatness of the surrounding landscape. Also, as the water rapidly dissipated and the sheet of water narrowed, the "steps" of the Grand Staircase were formed.
The Geologic Column
Subduction Zone, what say you?
Your knee jerk reaction surprises me, but then again, I doubt if you even looked at the article.
Still, carry on, you are entertaining and maybe, just maybe you will post something that characterizes a real geologist.
I can only hope
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Undoubtedly. But such isn't something that has happened since humans have been on the scene. Those fossils are much older than humans.
You claim to be a geologist, so please comment on this------------
Flood or erosion
Not only does the rate of erosion fail to match up with what we see in the geologic column, especially on mountain ranges throughout the world, but the pattern of erosion does not seem to match up either. As mentioned earlier, erosion generally forms very uneven surfaces. Now, look again at the pictures of the Grand Canyon in this paper and notice the crisp parallel lines between each layer. Many claim that there are evidences of erosion in lower layers, evidences of rivers, streams, rain, etc. However, these are generally isolated findings such as one might expect if they were formed rapidly, such as occurs with the rapid runoff of waters after a catastrophic flooding event.
After this formation, a massive amount of water was suddenly released in a huge runoff that covered several states, flowing from east to west. All of the sediment over the Grand Canyon region, above the Kaibab, was removed very rapidly by an extremely wide sheet of rapidly running water. Cedar Ridge was one massive waterfall. One can visualize this by looking from the Lake Powell region toward the Grand Canyon region in the satellite photo to the right. Notice that there is a distinct V-shaped formation at the tip where the eastern Grand Canyon begins - pointing toward Lake Powell. One can also recognize the deep punched-out appearance of the Canyon itself from the satellite photo as well as many of the other Canyon photos presented here. In other photos one can see the massive cliff-like faces that form a very wide valley where, in the middle, the Grand Canyon has been formed. The Grand Canyon is actually the baby canyon in comparison to the canyon in which is sits.
It seems that the sheet of rushing water dissipated before it could remove all of the elevated features, such as the various flat-topped buttes, in the GC region - which still remain as isolated islands sticking up above the relative flatness of the surrounding landscape. Also, as the water rapidly dissipated and the sheet of water narrowed, the "steps" of the Grand Staircase were formed.
The Geologic Column
Subduction Zone, what say you?
Again, not something that is so unusual. If anything, the scablands in the northwest are an even more dramatic example of what can happen when an ice dam breaks.
But, again, that doens't lend credence to the idea of a universal flood as described in the Bible.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You used a source that had no clue about geology. He does not understand erosion at all. In fact erosion frequently causes flat surfaces to be formed, especially in areas where deposition will eventually occur.. It was all ignorant idiocy that can be refuted with the wave of a hand. Tell me, have you ever been to Fargo North Dakota? That is an erosional surface since. Tell me how uneven it is.Your knee jerk reaction surprises me, but then again, I doubt if you even looked at the article.
Still, carry on, you are entertaining and maybe, just maybe you will post something that characterizes a real geologist.
I can only hope
Your knee jerk reaction surprises me, but then again, I doubt if you even looked at the article.
Still, carry on, you are entertaining and maybe, just maybe you will post something that characterizes a real geologist.
I can only hope
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Subduction Zone, Oh Wise one, where are your sources?
Just asking
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