Creation scientists say it was Noah's flood that broke apart the continents. AIG

[Subduction Zone]

I was in Hurricane Hugo and it sure played hell with my whole world.

No doubt about that.

I think that James is avoiding the facts right now. His idea is amazingly wrong and he does not want to discuss that.

First, though a good portion of the northern hemisphere land masses were covered in the ice age. Perhaps as much as a fourth of it, that is nowhere near all of it. Second during an ice age sea level drops. It does not rise. That cannot be the source of a worldwide flood. Second when the ice melts sea level only returns to the current level. That does not help with his claims of the Ark landing in the mountains of Ararat.

 

[james dixon]

At no point did God try to kill Man with a flood.

If God wanted to kill off all humans He would and could; "trying" is not in His playbook.

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[Subduction Zone]

I can tell that you are hell bent on denying the Bible and what is contained therein but this approach will not further your cause.

In my point of view -

One is hardly "denying the Bible" when one points out that certain events in it never happened. You are accusing others of your sins. Let's not do that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If God wanted to kill off all humans He would and could; "trying" is not in His playbook.

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You missed the point. If he tried to do it with a flood he failed. Or else you are claiming that he lied after the fact. You can't have it both ways.

 

[sooda]

No doubt about that.

I think that James is avoiding the facts right now. His idea is amazingly wrong and he does not want to discuss that.

First, though a good portion of the northern hemisphere land masses were covered in the ice age. Perhaps as much as a fourth of it, that is nowhere near all of it. Second during an ice age sea level drops. It does not rise. That cannot be the source of a worldwide flood. Second when the ice melts sea level only returns to the current level. That does not help with his claims of the Ark landing in the mountains of Ararat.

For the people of the ancient Middle East ALL the flood stories prior to Genesis were floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For the people of the ancient Middle East ALL the flood stories prior to Genesis were floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

Yep, we pretty much agree that that was likely the flood that inspired the myth. People were of course living all around the world at that time. That probably started the myth, it was not a worldwide flood that needed an Ark.

 

[james dixon]

That does not help with his claims of the Ark landing in the mountains of Ararat.

Keeping in mind that the verses in the Bible were written by fellow humans; it stands to reason that they used metaphorical words to make their point.

A metaphor is a figure of speech that, for rhetorical effect, directly refers to one thing by mentioning another.[1] It may provide clarity or identify hidden similarities between two ideas. Antithesis, hyperbole, metonymy and simile are all types of metaphor.[2] One of the most commonly cited examples of a metaphor in English literature is the "All the world's a stage" monologue from As You Like It:
Metaphor - Wikipedia

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[sooda]

I can tell that you are hell bent on denying the Bible and what is contained therein but this approach will not further your cause.

In my point of view -

The Bible is didactic literature, not history.. Its the history of the Hebrews.. Its their narrative. Its was never intended as history or science. Its made up of much older myths, stories and poems borrowed from surrounding cultures.

The message is a recurring theme of disobedience, forgiveness, mercy and redemption..

 

[Subduction Zone]

Keeping in mind that the verses in the Bible were written by fellow humans; it stands to reason that they used metaphorical words to make their point.

A metaphor is a figure of speech that, for rhetorical effect, directly refers to one thing by mentioning another.[1] It may provide clarity or identify hidden similarities between two ideas. Antithesis, hyperbole, metonymy and simile are all types of metaphor.[2] One of the most commonly cited examples of a metaphor in English literature is the "All the world's a stage" monologue from As You Like It:
Metaphor - Wikipedia

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Why even have the story? What was it a metaphor for? It did not happen anywhere near to what you read in the Bible. Now it seems like you are saying that it was just a worthless story.

 

[sooda]

Yep, we pretty much agree that that was likely the flood that inspired the myth. People were of course living all around the world at that time. That probably started the myth, it was not a worldwide flood that needed an Ark.

Well, the flood certainly didn't kill off the Canaanites or Egyptians.

 

[james dixon]

For the people of the ancient Middle East ALL the flood stories prior to Genesis were floods in the Euphrates River Basin.

The melting ice dramatically increased the humidity in the atmosphere and this resulted in a lot of rain.

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[james dixon]

Now it seems like you are saying that it was just a worthless story.

This story was told a few thousand years ago and here we are talking about it today.
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[Subduction Zone]

The melting ice dramatically increased the humidity in the atmosphere and this resulted in a lot of rain.

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What? Huh Why?

This sort of unsupported and rather worthless statement only makes it look as if you are grasping at straws.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This story was told a few thousand years ago and here we are talking about it today.
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Yes, because some people insist that it really happened. That does not give it any legitimacy.

 

[james dixon]

Well, the flood certainly didn't kill off the Canaanites or Egyptians.

I didn’t believe God would destroy His own creation until I read this, and after reading this He would if He so chooses to do so and it appears; He does.

Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

In retrospect the above verse does not say He will destroy them, He just says they will no longer be remembered.

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[james dixon]

What? Huh Why?

The major cause of rain production is moisture moving along three-dimensional zones of temperature and moisture contrasts known as weather fronts. If enough moisture and upward motion is present, precipitation falls from convective clouds (those with strong upward vertical motion) such as cumulonimbus (thunder clouds) which can organize into narrow rainbands. In mountainous areas, heavy precipitation is possible where upslope flow is maximized within windward sides of the terrain at elevation which forces moist air to condense and fall out as rainfall along the sides of mountains. On the leeward side of mountains, desert climates can exist due to the dry air caused by downslope flow which causes heating and drying of the air mass. The movement of the monsoon trough, or intertropical convergence zone, brings rainy seasons to savannah climes.

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[sooda]

The melting ice dramatically increased the humidity in the atmosphere and this resulted in a lot of rain.

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Nope.. You might want to look at a topo of Iraq. Snowmelt from the mountains combined with heavy spring rains often cause flooding which built up the delta south of Basra… and that's been going on for thousands of years.

The Persian Gulf was a river with its headwaters in Iraq… that over eons became a shallow lake that ultimately breeched into the Indian Ocean

 

[Subduction Zone]

The major cause of rain production is moisture moving along three-dimensional zones of temperature and moisture contrasts known as weather fronts. If enough moisture and upward motion is present, precipitation falls from convective clouds (those with strong upward vertical motion) such as cumulonimbus (thunder clouds) which can organize into narrow rainbands. In mountainous areas, heavy precipitation is possible where upslope flow is maximized within windward sides of the terrain at elevation which forces moist air to condense and fall out as rainfall along the sides of mountains. On the leeward side of mountains, desert climates can exist due to the dry air caused by downslope flow which causes heating and drying of the air mass. The movement of the monsoon trough, or intertropical convergence zone, brings rainy seasons to savannah climes.

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That did not support your claim.

Try again.

 

[sooda]

I didn’t believe God would destroy His own creation until I read this, and after reading this He would if He so chooses to do so and it appears; He does.

Ezekiel 21:32
Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land; thou shalt be no more remembered: for I the LORD have spoken it.

In retrospect the above verse does not say He will destroy them, He just says they will no longer be remembered.

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The PHOENICIANS are certainly remembered...

Byblos, Baalbek, Tyre and Sidon are certainly remembered.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope.. You might want to look at a topo of Iraq. Snowmelt from the mountains combined with heavy spring rains often cause flooding which built up the delta south of Basra… and that's been going on for thousands of years.

The Persian Gulf was a river with its headwaters in Iraq… that over eons became a shallow lake that ultimately breeched into the Indian Ocean

The Persian Gulf also formed before man came along. Largely due to plate tectonics separating Africa from Arabia.