Creation vs evolution

[shunyadragon]

Well you are silly, to think you have to test something to know if it's true.

If you hold evolution as being true, then why do you have to test it.

That's why Christians do not have to test the bible, because we know it's true.

The question has been answered many times. It is problematic not to test scientific hypothesis, because you believe they are true.

It is equally problematic for believers to accept their scripture on faith alone, and claim it is true without any justified scrutiny and comparison of alternative understandings. Particularly even within Christianity when you claim to have the only one and only understanding of the scriptures.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

If you believe evolution is true, than why do have to test it. To know if it's true.

That's like saying, I know it's true, if i let the air out of the tire it will go flat, but let me test it by letting the air out. To see if it's true.
But why do you have to test it, you knowing it's true ?

And just how would you know air was in the tire if you didn't test it?

The testing is how we get to the knowing. You really have no clue what 'know' means do you?

 

[Looncall]

You overlook the fact that people can be mistaken. It's actually quite easy to wind up holding something as true that is in fact balderdash. That's how religions work, after all.

 

[Jean Valjean]

So let move on from creation to Noa... God told Noa that he should build the Arc... along with the second commandment God gave men after the forbidden fruit. The second commandment God gave men (I am adressing the noacian commandment and not the ten commandments) was "...whoever shed mans blood by man his blood shall be shed for in the likness of God, God created men. For every animal I will demand a reckoning and for every man I will demand a reckoning..."

 

[Faithofchristian]

The question has been answered many times. It is problematic not to test scientific hypothesis, because you believe they are true.

It is equally problematic for believers to accept their scripture on faith alone, and claim it is true without any justified scrutiny and comparison of alternative understandings. Particularly even within Christianity when you claim to have the only one and only understanding of the scriptures.

Well so far that's how it's turns out.
I've presented many question, but yet to get answer back on them. I'll ask again.

In the book of Matthew 24:5, Jesus speaking of temple buildings, said there shall not be one stone left upon another.

But yet over in Israel the Jews calls a wall that is part of the tempel building, The Wailing Wall.
Now here's the question, What happens that brings this temple wall down, to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus given, there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Here I'll even make it a little more easier.
The answer to this is found in the books of Revelation;11, Acts 1, Matthew 24,

By this will show just how much Christians do know their bible better than anyone else.

Here's another question, in the book of
Mark 13:17, What does Jesus mean by --"But wow to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"

Now this takes place during what Jesus calls the Tribulation. So what does Jesus mean by this ?

 

[Darkstorn]

I find it cute you think this is some kind of Bible circle and not a proper debate. Well... If you think you have a chance, go for it. I'm always rooting for people who fight windmills.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I find it cute you think this is some kind of Bible circle and not a proper debate. Well... If you think you have a chance, go for it. I'm always rooting for people who fight windmills.

I see you find it awful funny to what I posted, but yet you given no answers to it, So who's the funny one ?

It amazes me how people puts funny faces, to what someone has posted, But yet themselves can not answer to what is posted.
This shows their lack of knowledge about anything that's being ask. So who's the funny one ?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

A person may say whatever they may want, and what stops them, showing themselves that whatever they may say, doesn't line up to what the bible will say.

Again, why should I act like the bible is the only source of truth? The bible says that the wicked are punished by God. The Book of Job, also in the bible, shows an innocent man being punished by God. Both concepts are in the bible. It doesn't even line up with itself, much less reality.

Your unbelievable, you show yourself of not having any knowledge or understanding what Jesus ment by Judge a tree by it's fruit.

The fruit of the tree has been left to rot and per its own story, the disciples never really understood Jesus anyway. He goes on and on and on about how they don't understand him, so why are we supposed to trust their ideas? You don't get your information for your research paper from the guy who flunked his class. That's just common sense.

You do seeing you have no knowledge or understanding about what the Bible confirms.

I asked God about that 2000 is the apocalypse thing. He told me He didn't say half that stuff in the bible and when He speaks, all of nature will know it. He's been pretty right so far. You keep listening to your idolatrous spirit and I'll keep listening to God. Thanks.

Maybe if you get an understanding as to who guided those, to have certain books put to complete the Bible, So that it would be a beneficial to those who read the Bible.

The canon books have also contributed to such unbelievable evil that we MUST conclude the fruit is bad on the tree.

Again you show yourself as ignorant of the fact, that the bible as being God's word.

God told me it's not. Now what?

The bible is here, to help people to know what God expects and want people to know why certain things were done.

If you're an ancient Middle Eastern Jew through a certain limited time frame. If God cared about everyone everywhere, why doesn't the bible mention anyone outside the Mediterranean? What were the Native Americans up to? The Chinese? South Africans? Those guys on Easter Island? Gentiles are 99% of the time treated like crap in the bible and I doubt you descend from Roman-era Jews in Israel, so the bible isn't for you either.

So what your saying is, that if you went to buy a new car, you would never look at the owners manual to see what the manufacture of the car, has to say how to keep the car in it's good running state.

If I'm making a major purchase, I not only read what the manufacturer has to say but also reviews by customers and people like Consumer Reports, because it's not enough to hear the manufacturer talk about how awesome their product is. I want PROOF. I'm not going to go to all that trouble if I buy a pen, of course, but something more substantial? Yeah. If my salvation is predicated on knowing the Truth, I feel it's only common sense to verify I HAVE IT.

Without the bible, how would you know how to judge the tree by its fruit ?

The scientific method, which I got in elementary school. It's basically the same thing, just a more developed thought.

It seems your double talking yourself, to say you don't need the Bible, but yet you quote things from the bible, that you say you don't need. What's up with all that Go Figure.

It's to show you don't know the bible as well as you think you do. I am a fan of irony.

If I were to get a message I'd want to know who is exactly is giving the message. Is it from God himself or is it from the false god that leads people astray. Of not checking to see who exactly is giving the message first. Is it God himself or the false god ?

How is that so? You claim God must be slave to the bible. You say it is the bible that must be listened to. Gideon didn't test God by making God quote something from the bible. He chose things that, to him, anyway, would've been proof of supernatural objective evidence. God didn't strike him dead over it, making "thou shalt not test the Lord thy God" message rather stupid in hindsight. Clearly you CAN test God and He won't be mad about it. You aren't willing to see if the spirit giving you this idolatrous message is correct, because you assume it is correct and thus it shouldn't be tested.

Again you show your ignorance. Jesus never criticized the old testament, why would Jesus criticize his own word.

You're an expert in the bible and you've NEVER seen Jesus say "You have seen it written blah blah blah, but truly I tell you blah blah blah"? He spends his ENTIRE time telling people they are wrong up until he dies.

Why would a True Christian criticize Jesus words.

Because friends don't let friends speak nonsense about God. God can make butt-kissers out of rocks. It is not group identity that saves us.

And the other is the spirit of the word, which Jesus spoke about. Which is not written down, but takes Spiritual awareness to see and understand,
What is written down.

Jesus needed to talk about spiritual meanings because most of his followers and probably Jesus himself had questionable literary skills. I, on the other hand, can read rather well. I see religious figures banking on the ignorance of the congregations.

So when does that wall come down,
to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus gave there shall not be one stone left upon another ?

So Jesus was wrong in his prophecy that every stone would be torn down. Clearly it wasn't. What's the test of a false prophet again? Getting stuff wrong?

And, you say, there's no useful definition of 'truth', so there's no test for 'truth'
so there's no remedy for the problem you outline, right?

We will never know everything, no. However, "Truth" is mostly obtainable. You just have to *cough* "seek and you shall find" *cough*.

Let's say the bible says that if I believe "Fact A", I will get "Result A1". It doesn't happen. It has been falsified, no? I will never be able to prove what a god is (there are so many definitions and you can see part of the evolution to an almost deistic entity by the end of the bible, as God goes from a person who can hang out with you physically to a voice from heaven to an angel speaking for God to a prophet speaking for an angel speaking for God) or what He or She ate last Thursday or anything, but I CAN see if someone lived in a particular place at a particular time thanks to archaeology and I CAN study human behavior with psychology to see if biblical claims about people being utterly immoral are true, etc.

Now here's the question, What happens that brings this temple wall down, to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus given, there shall not be one stone left upon another.

It means the Temple wasn't built by the awesome people who built the pyramids. You get what you pay for, I guess.

 

[Darkstorn]

So who's the funny one ?

You, hence the smiley.

So who's the funny one ?

Still you.

As for the reason why I haven't answered your questions, a wise man once said "there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers."

I disagree. You yourself wouldn't give answers to a paranoid schizophrenic asking nonsensical questions either, right? I'm not saying you are one but you get the point.

 

[Polymath257]

So let move on from creation to Noa... God told Noa that he should build the Arc... along with the second commandment God gave men after the forbidden fruit. The second commandment God gave men (I am adressing the noacian commandment and not the ten commandments) was "...whoever shed mans blood by man his blood shall be shed for in the likness of God, God created men. For every animal I will demand a reckoning and for every man I will demand a reckoning..."

A nice myth derived from Babylonian myths. But not history, I am afraid.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You, hence the smiley.



Still you.

Let me take a guess, you must be w

Again, why should I act like the bible is the only source of truth? The bible says that the wicked are punished by God. The Book of Job, also in the bible, shows an innocent man being punished by God. Both concepts are in the bible. It doesn't even line up with itself, much less reality.


The fruit of the tree has been left to rot and per its own story, the disciples never really understood Jesus anyway. He goes on and on and on about how they don't understand him, so why are we supposed to trust their ideas? You don't get your information for your research paper from the guy who flunked his class. That's just common sense.


I asked God about that 2000 is the apocalypse thing. He told me He didn't say half that stuff in the bible and when He speaks, all of nature will know it. He's been pretty right so far. You keep listening to your idolatrous spirit and I'll keep listening to God. Thanks.


The canon books have also contributed to such unbelievable evil that we MUST conclude the fruit is bad on the tree.


God told me it's not. Now what?


If you're an ancient Middle Eastern Jew through a certain limited time frame. If God cared about everyone everywhere, why doesn't the bible mention anyone outside the Mediterranean? What were the Native Americans up to? The Chinese? South Africans? Those guys on Easter Island? Gentiles are 99% of the time treated like crap in the bible and I doubt you descend from Roman-era Jews in Israel, so the bible isn't for you either.


If I'm making a major purchase, I not only read what the manufacturer has to say but also reviews by customers and people like Consumer Reports, because it's not enough to hear the manufacturer talk about how awesome their product is. I want PROOF. I'm not going to go to all that trouble if I buy a pen, of course, but something more substantial? Yeah. If my salvation is predicated on knowing the Truth, I feel it's only common sense to verify I HAVE IT.


The scientific method, which I got in elementary school. It's basically the same thing, just a more developed thought.


It's to show you don't know the bible as well as you think you do. I am a fan of irony.


How is that so? You claim God must be slave to the bible. You say it is the bible that must be listened to. Gideon didn't test God by making God quote something from the bible. He chose things that, to him, anyway, would've been proof of supernatural objective evidence. God didn't strike him dead over it, making "thou shalt not test the Lord thy God" message rather stupid in hindsight. Clearly you CAN test God and He won't be mad about it. You aren't willing to see if the spirit giving you this idolatrous message is correct, because you assume it is correct and thus it shouldn't be tested.


You're an expert in the bible and you've NEVER seen Jesus say "You have seen it written blah blah blah, but truly I tell you blah blah blah"? He spends his ENTIRE time telling people they are wrong up until he dies.


Because friends don't let friends speak nonsense about God. God can make butt-kissers out of rocks. It is not group identity that saves us.


Jesus needed to talk about spiritual meanings because most of his followers and probably Jesus himself had questionable literary skills. I, on the other hand, can read rather well. I see religious figures banking on the ignorance of the congregations.


So Jesus was wrong in his prophecy that every stone would be torn down. Clearly it wasn't. What's the test of a false prophet again? Getting stuff wrong?


We will never know everything, no. However, "Truth" is mostly obtainable. You just have to *cough* "seek and you shall find" *cough*.

Let's say the bible says that if I believe "Fact A", I will get "Result A1". It doesn't happen. It has been falsified, no? I will never be able to prove what a god is (there are so many definitions and you can see part of the evolution to an almost deistic entity by the end of the bible, as God goes from a person who can hang out with you physically to a voice from heaven to an angel speaking for God to a prophet speaking for an angel speaking for God) or what He or She ate last Thursday or anything, but I CAN see if someone lived in a particular place at a particular time thanks to archaeology and I CAN study human behavior with psychology to see if biblical claims about people being utterly immoral are true, etc.


It means the Temple wasn't built by the awesome people who built the pyramids. You get what you pay for, I guess.[/QUOT/]


I gave the books as to when this prophecy would come to be fulfilled, but yet you would rather run your mouth, than to use what little knowledge you have. To see when this Prophecy will be fulfilled,

 

[Jean Valjean]

x + |1|/6=z

x is the variable

and if z is even then x is a prime

f(x)=y

We define x as god and y as almighty.
function of God is almighty.

3x=y

we define x as persons and y as God
Three persons are one God.

If we define x as God, x will per definition be God.
'Per definition'.

Thats math

Just check the vocabulary, the noun 'God is a legitim noun in most dictionaries proving his existence.

Within physics:

God is light.

That's evidence.

Energy, may the force be with you all. e=mc^2
God is flesh and daylight exalted in two.'

That would parhaps be a heresy.

God is one

'One'

'1'

there are other ways to define the functions.

f(x)=y

x=ao

x=c

three logical evidences for God...

There are alot more

 

[Darkstorn]

Let me take a guess, you must be w

OK. I made an edit to my post.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well so far that's how it's turns out.
I've presented many question, but yet to get answer back on them. I'll ask again.

In the book of Matthew 24:5, Jesus speaking of temple buildings, said there shall not be one stone left upon another.

But yet over in Israel the Jews calls a wall that is part of the tempel building, The Wailing Wall.
Now here's the question, What happens that brings this temple wall down, to fulfil the prophecy that Jesus given, there shall not be one stone left upon another.

Here I'll even make it a little more easier.
The answer to this is found in the books of Revelation;11, Acts 1, Matthew 24,

By this will show just how much Christians do know their bible better than anyone else.

Here's another question, in the book of
Mark 13:17, What does Jesus mean by --"But wow to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days"

Now this takes place during what Jesus calls the Tribulation. So what does Jesus mean by this ?

Sorry, I already explained to you that that was a failed prophecy and why. Once again. Do you read the prophecy? Do you know who Jesus was talking to?

 

[David T]

One fact to Refute evolution.

For those who believe in the theory of evolution.
Why did evolution have to be tested, to know whether it's true or not.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Where as evolution had to be tested, to find if it's true or not true.

That's like going to take a test, you take a test to show if your qualified or not.

Therefore to test the theory of evolution, is to see if it's qualified or not.

That means evolution wasn't qualified, from the start.until it took the test.

Where as the bible did not have to take any test to be qualified, The bible was qualified right from the start.


Therefore Christians do not have to test the bible to see if it's qualified, We already know that the Bible is qualified.

Transhumanism in medieval drag is still transhumanism nonsense.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Oh dear, so 'Gravity' should be changed to 'Intelligent Falling'?

Why is it non-scientists always know better?

Hey, you're pretty good at ignoring the point!

 

[Altfish]

Hey, you're pretty good at ignoring the point!

I didn't think I was...it must be because I am corresponding with too many creationists

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey, you're pretty good at ignoring the point!

Your claims were dealt with. You do not seem to understand that both phyletic gradualism and punctuated equilibrium are part of the explanation of how life evolved. Perhaps you should have read the Wiki article on Punctuated Equilibrium:

Punctuated equilibrium - Wikipedia

Though I will save you some time. This sentence alone refutes your implication that it has to be one or the other:

"The fossil record includes well documented examples of both phyletic gradualism[18] and punctuational evolution.[19]."

But of course if you had just looked at the pretty pictures in your link you would have seen that:

Do you see how the slopes are not purely horizontal or vertical? The very shallow slope is phyletic gradualism. It is slow steady change. The steep slope is punctuated equilibrium. It represents very rapid change. That picture alone show that it is not one or the other but both.

 

[Jean Valjean]

evidence...

...equations:
x=y

computer technology:
10 printf "ask your question:"
20 writef()
30 If a then b
40 Define function 30 (...if God is alknowing then he answer)
50 set 10 (Allknowing God = true)
60 printf()
70 set 60 (The allknowing god answer your question)

Ask Jeeves...

 

[Altfish]

evidence...

...equations:
x=y

computer technology:
10 printf "ask your question:"
20 writef()
30 If a then b
40 Define function 30 (...if God is alknowing then he answer)
50 set 10 (Allknowing God = true)
60 printf()
70 set 60 (The allknowing god answer your question)

Ask Jeeves...

It's hard to argue with facts like that!!