Creation vs evolution

[Subduction Zone]

Faithofchristian said "the book of Ezekiel points to the future"... I thought it was our future?

There is no reason to think that. It is a very clear prophesy regarding Tyre under Nebuchadnezzar. Of course one of the reasons that there are tens of thousands of sects of Christianity is that people are willing to reinterpret the Bible to match their beliefs. It appears that Faith is far more liberal than most Actual theologians recognize that it is about Tyre, they also can see how that is a HUGE problem for them. There are all sorts of apologetics about Tyre that get some very basic facts wrong in their defense of that failed prophecy.

But as I pointed out earlier, I use that prophecy as a test of a poster's honesty. Most Christians on forums, not necessarily most Christians in the world, fail this test. They demonstrate that they cannot be honest

 

[ArtieE]

There is no reason to think that. It is a very clear prophesy regarding Tyre under Nebuchadnezzar.

Well, of course if Ezekiel wasn't talking about our future then it makes more sense. I can't see how it can be a prophecy at all then. If God said to Ezekiel he'll destroy Tyre in the future and destroys Tyre in the future, that's no more a prophecy than if I say to somebody I'll go out tomorrow and then go out tomorrow... right?

 

[Faithofchristian]

No. Only the things that are meant literally. Obviously God wasn't talking about a spiritual North or a spiritual Tyre or a spiritual Nebuchadnezzar or a spiritual king or a spiritual Babylon or spiritual horses or spiritual chariots or spiritual horsemen or a spiritual army.That was a vision and you can see anything in a vision depending I guess on which drugs you're on. I'm not an expert on that. However, God was talking literally.

You are to funny, by your logic you think everything has to be spelled out to you. For you to understand, I really could careless what you may think, From Ezekiel Chapter one all the way thru Chapter 48, is future tense and not pass tense.

Further more you just proved yourself that you have no idea what spiritual means.

This I want to hear, you give your definition of what it means to have
Spiritual discernment.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, of course if Ezekiel wasn't talking about our future then it makes more sense. I can't see how it can be a prophecy at all then. If God said to Ezekiel he'll destroy Tyre in the future and destroys Tyre in the future, that's no more a prophecy than if I say to somebody I'll go out tomorrow and then go out tomorrow... right?

You are correct on that point too. Jewish people do not tend to have the same problem with prophets that Christians do. They appear to have realized that most prophecies are not prophecies. Some of the "prophesies" of the Old Testament were merely history. They were made after the fact and written as if they were prophecies. The failures of actual prophecy is something that they are used to.

 

[Faithofchristian]

None in particular. There are so many different ones that I just pick and choose which best illustrates my point. Bibles

Now that is to funny.seeing you have no clue or idea what is what, Now it all makes sense why your saying things that are totally off the wall.

 

[ArtieE]

You are to funny, by your logic you think everything has to be spelled out to you. For you to understand, I really could careless what you may think, From Ezekiel Chapter one all the way thru Chapter 48, is future tense and not pass tense.

So when God says "From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army" this is supposed to happen in OUR future?

 

[ArtieE]

You see, that's where you went wrong at, You thought,
Ezekiel chapter 1 all the way thru Chapter 48 is all about future tense, not pass tense.

Of course future tense. "From the north I am going to bring". So was that Ezekiels future and our past or both Ezekiels future and our future?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course future tense. "From the north I am going to bring". So was that Ezekiels future and our past or both Ezekiels future and our future?

It was Zeke's and Nebby's future, our past. I can see that you did not understand the prophesy. I can help you with that.

 

[Looncall]

You are to funny, by your logic you think everything has to be spelled out to you. For you to understand, I really could careless what you may think, From Ezekiel Chapter one all the way thru Chapter 48, is future tense and not pass tense.

Further more you just proved yourself that you have no idea what spiritual means.

This I want to hear, you give your definition of what it means to haveSpiritual discernment.

Ah, yes, "spiritual discernment". That is, falling for vicious con games that delude people into believing nonsense.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ah, yes, "spiritual discernment". That is, falling for vicious con games that delude people into believing nonsense.

Well you just proved yourself, that you have no knowledge or understanding what is ment by spiritually discernment.

I didn't ask you to accept it or anyone else.
I ask, what does spiritually discernment mean to people ?

So before you go ranting and raving, can you explain exactly what spiritually discernment means ?
I didn't ask you to accept it, which I could careless if you didn't.
I ask what does it mean, this is just a simple question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well you just proved yourself, that you have no knowledge or understanding what is ment by spiritually discernment.

I didn't ask you to accept it or anyone else.ah
I ask, what does spiritually discernment mean to people ?

So before you go ranting and raving, can you explain exactly what spiritually discernment means ?
I didn't ask you to accept it, which I could careless if you didn't.
I ask what does it mean, this is just a simple question.

You need to be able to prove your claims with something besides single lines taken out of the Bible. The Bible can prove almost anything if someone is willing to quote mine it, that is a flaw of yours. You need to be able to understand the passages in context. Remember, the Bible says "There is no God" at least twelve times, if you quote mine it.

By the way, if you ask a question that you want others to answer you must be ready to define your terms. If you are using a term that you yourself do not understand, as shown by the poor English of the term, then you cannot expect to get an answer that you will agree with or even understand yourself.

For example "spiritually discernment" to me means that the author of that phrase does not even have a high school level of knowledge on how to use proper English. Here is a clue, "spiritually" is an adverb. "discernment" is a noun.

 

[`mud]

Every time I come to this thread, I hear sparrows schreeching !

 

[SkepticThinker]

Just because you and others say, does not mean it's so.

Yes, that is what we are trying to tell you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nope, you go to science, for your source of information and I go to the Bible for my source of information.

Where do you think a Christian would go other than the bible, for their source of information.

Science is just a method of experimentation, observation, demonstration, testing and verification of repeatable results. It's the method by which we've come to learn everything we currently know about mechanisms at work in the world we live in. This information is verifiable for non-believers, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, and everybody else in between. This is universal knowledge accessible to anyone and everyone.

The Bible is a book of claims that have not been verified - many of the claims cannot even be verified. Not only that, but as you've made very clear, the Bible is only good enough for those people who already believe it. Muslims and non-believers don't blindly accept the claims of the Bible, for instance. So what good is it really, if it's claims are only valid to some people, but not to everyone?

So when you tell someone they can't use science as a source of information, you're telling that person that they are not allowed to access all the available verifiable information we've so far gleaned about our world. Which doesn't really make much sense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Look, king Nebuchadrezzar, is long dead, but Babylon it's self, is alive and still thriving yet today.

If you go to the book of Revelation, you find Babylon, is still alive, This Babylon is in the spirit of the old Babylon that was in Prophet Daniel's day.
Where as back in prophet Daniel's day, they were dealing with the physical Babylon,
Where as for us to day, we are dealing with the same Babylon but it's the spirit of that Babylon that were dealing with, not the
physical Babylon, but the spirit of that Babylon.

Look Babylon means --- confusion.

Look many people to day are in
Babylon -- confusion.

This why there are so many religions, and people not knowing which way to go.

Because they are in a state of
confusion, Babylon. Of not knowing exactly which way to go.

Many of your Christian brethren have told me this prophecy has come true. But let me guess, they're not real Christians, right?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yeah sure can tell the difference, it's evident that you sure can not.

I think at this point you're going to have to come up with something better than, "Only Faithofchristian is capable of interpreting and understanding the Bible, and nobody else." It's not getting you anywhere. And it's clearly not the case.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You can't be serious,
How in the world are, horses and chariots and horsemen, exactly how are these to defeat the Military of to day ?
So your not making any sense.

Have you figured that out Yet ?
Go Figure.

You're the one who is actually saying that because you're the one claiming the prophecy hasn't been fulfilled yet.

 

[`mud]

However, God was talking literally.
How does `god`, `speak` literally !
Is he talking outloud ? Real words in what language ? How loud is `he` ?
Is it spiritual, literal, physical, or phsocoyphosically ?
That's not a real word...don't look it up...what else but... literally!
~
I get so lost in some of these threads, I can't remember the real point !
And `he` didn't write a word, except for five times two, times rewrite !
And we attempt those `prophesies` to mean anything important to me ?
Like I said before...ink on paper...and a few pieces of parchment..and some stone pieces.
Ahhhh yes...The results of the `creation` that became `evolution`, and still does !
But...the `creation` of what, and where, to furbish itself to `now`, and still...again.
NuffStuff

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yes, that is what we are trying to tell you.

Well then what are you complaining about then.
If I believe in Creation and you believe in Evolution, so what's the big deal then.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well then what are you complaining about then.
If I believe in Creation and you believe in Evolution, so what's the big deal then.

We can support our claims with much more than a book of myths that has been shown to fail on many levels. It fails scientifically, it fails prophetically, it fails morally.