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Creationism in the Classroom - Research Project

ThereIsNoSpoon

ThereIsNoSpoon

Active Member
Terrywoodenpic said:
There is indeed a reason, young earth creationists have never used the benefit of the God given march of science to modify their understanding of early myths.

If people in those early time had known about the evidence, since uncovered by science, their attempts at writing about creation might have been closer to reality.
They were not stupid they used the best evidence they had in a reasoned way.

Where Modern Young earth believers differ, is they neither accept reason nor evidence. I would suggest this is displaying a lower level of understanding and intelligence than their ancient forebares.
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Of course a simple minded guy like me would simply think that a revelation which supposedly is from god could and should simply have stated the truth and not myths that were believable by people of ancient times and obviously still are for some weirdos today.

If it contains myths, those myths that authors of former times might have actually believed... then it appears to be human made.
 
Magic Man

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Th only place I'd put it in schools is in a mythology class. It could be taught right along with Greek, Roman, Norse and other world mythologies to compare and contrast.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
ThereIsNoSpoon said:
Of course a simple minded guy like me would simply think that a revelation which supposedly is from god could and should simply have stated the truth and not myths that were believable by people of ancient times and obviously still are for some weirdos today.

If it contains myths, those myths that authors of former times might have actually believed... then it appears to be human made.
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Of course it contains Myths... Myths by definition are human made.
There are very few indeed who think the entire Bible is revealed by God.
 
imaginaryme

imaginaryme

Active Member
mball1297 said:
Th only place I'd put it in schools is in a mythology class. It could be taught right along with Greek, Roman, Norse and other world mythologies to compare and contrast.
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Man, the only thing worse than a mathematician, is a grammarian. I'm sorry... carry on. :D
 
imaginaryme

imaginaryme

Active Member
Wannabe Yogi said:
This is true in the UK not in the southern part of the US.
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Forgive my irrelevance... but the southern part of US ain't really us. I got into an argument on this other forum where people were saying "the color of Jesus's skin doesn't matter;" and I'm like, "yeah, right. I'll go down there with hand-painted portraits of 50-cent on black velvet as the Messiah, let's see how well that flies." I ain't no "bigot," but I have walked from MA to FL, and there's a whole different world down there between those two places. A lot of Southerners are straight-up real people, full of that "Southern hospitality" one hears so much about. Yet, about some things, they're a little set in their ways; and there's plenty of dark alleyways a smart Yankee like me don't walk at night. Just a happy thought. Rather than being totally irrelevant, Creationism is to "topical" a topic for primary education. There's my, ah; fifty cent.
 
MSizer

MSizer

MSizer
Wannabe Yogi said:
Even today president Bush is well thought of in many parts of the south.
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I know this sounds snobbish, but I can't think of any other reason than lack of knowledge. I believe that Bush is literally one of the most evil people I can think of. I can't even begin to imagine how anyone could think highly of him. He deserves to rot in hell for the people killed under his "crusade". It's just amazing to me.
 
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ragordon168

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MSizer said:
I know this sounds snobbish, but I can't think of any other reason than lack of knowledge. I believe that Bush is literally one of the most evil people I can think of. I can't even begin to imagine how anyone could think highly of him. He deserves to rot in hell for the people killed under his "crusade". It's just amazing to me.
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not evil just severely misguided and almost a mini hitler. the way hitler used the jews as a scapegoat for german problems, bush has used islamic society to distract americans.

hes gone " look at them they have a different way of life to you and pray to a different type of god we have to make them like us" and unfortunately some people have listened to him and developed islamophbia because of it.
 
Terrywoodenpic

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
ThereIsNoSpoon said:
And how should one know what is actually from God and what not if there is no distinction? How to know that it is from God at all?
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In reality, what we chose to believe " as God inspired," depends largely on our own morality and faith.
When a passage or story coincides with both our morality and Faith, we put on the Good pile.
When they do not, we put it on the Bad pile.

Few peoples piles are identical.

The alternative is to believe every thing you are told to believe.
Or to believe nothing at all.
 
WhatandWhy

WhatandWhy

Member
I am currently living in North Carolina. Religion is so built in due to the lack of education. This can be traced back to when the north became an industrial stronghold, while the south remained farms. This shows how intellect and science has progressed in the north while the south has progressed very slowly. The "southern hospitality" Is a complete lie. Maybe in a different age it existed, but as of this day in time many of the people in this part of the country are the most ignorant and aggressive group I have met so far in my life. No offense to anyone, just simply what I have observed in my year here.
To answer what the post was originally about, There is no place for Creationism unless you're going to use it in a RE course.
 
tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Creationism cannot be taught in a Science class due to the fact that it does not meet the strict definitions of science set by the US courts.
For a theory to be considered scientific it must meet the following guidelines.

(1) It is guided by natural law;
(2) It has to be explanatory by reference to nature law;
(3) It is testable against the empirical world;
(4) Its conclusions are tentative, i.e. are not necessarily the final word; and
(5) Its is falsifiable.

Creation pseudo-science fails to meet the above requirements.


  1. Sudden creation "from nothing" is not science because it depends upon a supernatural intervention which is not guided by natural law, is not explanatory by reference to natural law, is not testable and is not falsifiable.
  2. "insufficiency of mutation and natural selection" is an incomplete negative generalization.
  3. "changes only within fixed limits of originally created kinds" fails as there is no scientific definition of "kinds", the assertion appears to be an effort to establish outer limits of changes within species but there is no scientific explanation for these limits which is guided by natural law and the limitations, whatever they are, cannot be explained by natural law.
  4. "separate ancestry of man and apes" is a bald assertion which explains nothing and refers to no scientific fact or theory.
  5. Catastrophism and any kind of Genesis Flood depend upon supernatural intervention, and cannot be explained by natural law.
  6. "Relatively recent inception" has no scientific meaning, is not the product of natural law; not explainable by natural law; nor is it tentative.
  7. No recognized scientific journal has published an article espousing the creation science theory as described in the Act, and though some witnesses suggested that the scientific community was "close-minded" and so had not accepted the arguments, no witness produced a scientific article for which publication has been refused, and suggestions of censorship were not credible.
  8. A scientific theory must be tentative and always subject to revision or abandonment in light of facts that are inconsistent with, or falsify, the theory. A theory that is by its own terms dogmatic, absolutist, and never subject to revision is not a scientific theory.
  9. While anybody is free to approach a scientific inquiry in any fashion they choose, they cannot properly describe the methodology as scientific, if they start with the conclusion and refuse to change it regardless of the evidence developed during the course of the investigation. The creationists' methods do not take data, weigh it against the opposing scientific data, and thereafter reach the conclusions stated in [the Act] Instead, they take the literal wording of the Book of Genesis and attempt to find scientific support for it.


(McLean v. Arkansas Board of Education)
 
Perfect Circle

Perfect Circle

Just Browsing
imaginaryme said:
Forgive my irrelevance... but the southern part of US ain't really us. I got into an argument on this other forum where people were saying "the color of Jesus's skin doesn't matter;" and I'm like, "yeah, right. I'll go down there with hand-painted portraits of 50-cent on black velvet as the Messiah, let's see how well that flies." I ain't no "bigot," but I have walked from MA to FL, and there's a whole different world down there between those two places. A lot of Southerners are straight-up real people, full of that "Southern hospitality" one hears so much about. Yet, about some things, they're a little set in their ways; and there's plenty of dark alleyways a smart Yankee like me don't walk at night. Just a happy thought. Rather than being totally irrelevant, Creationism is to "topical" a topic for primary education. There's my, ah; fifty cent.
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Uh.. dude, I live in Mobile, Alabama, and you don't get any further south than that... (figuratively, not geographically). I was born and raised here, went to a southern baptist church, and even had a disclaimer on evolution in my high-school biology book... But this is still definitely the US. I've been been all over the place, and it's not that different. I'm sure that based off my background you would pin me as a Bush loving, church going, truck driven, conservative.... when I'm actually a an agnostic, liberal, web developer who hates NASCAR. And almost all of my friends and family are pretty similar...

I'm just saying, you shouldn't generalize geographical regions of the US. The world's a much smaller place now-a-days... :D

P.S.: Nobody down here could care less if you're a "yankee". Unless you've got a really thick Boston accent or something, then I'll bet no-one could tell.
 
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