Creationist evidence...

[painted wolf]

The doodle looks like a squirrel, the fossils show it clearly wasn't despite some convergence.
Cranial Anatomy and Evolution of Early Tertiary Plesiadapidae (Mammalia, Primates) : Deep Blue at the University of Michigan

Just like this isn't a squirrel either

wa:do

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

creationist evidence? Now there's an oxymoron.

 

[idav]

If I were to tell you that most if not all of your Homo Erectus fossils are simply varieties of apes, that would be seen as evidence for creation, rather than TOE.

That would only prove something special about human evolution and evolution would stil hold true. What your claiming there doesn't hold water though because of the bipedalism and tool making of homo erectus and fits the pattern of evolution leading to humans walking upright with better tools. You ever seen an ape make tools? Artifacts fit the evolution theory too.

 

[painted wolf]

Yup apes make tools. Granted not the nice stone tools H.erectus made but tools none the less.

What I want to know is how anyone would think this is "just and ape" and nothing to do with humans?

wa:do

 

[camanintx]

If the fossil looks like an ape is most likely an ape.

Since humans are apes, what exactly is your point?

If fossils were classified by their general appearance alone, then you might be right that these are not human. Fortunately, paleontologiests are quite a bit more through than that.

Origins Reconsidered : In Search of What Makes Us Human - Richard Leakey

 

[otokage007]

How dare you taunt me to give you evidence? BUY THE BIBLE YOU HERETIC.

 

[rusra02]

Ok, I am an ardent Darwinian. Evolution is fact. But this constant creationism is something I know little about, simply because I find it so ridiculous I can't be bothered to check it out.
So, to all creationists, please gather as much evidence for your beliefs as you can posssibly find and as much evidence against evolution, and put it here.
This is different from the Creationists Please Provide Evidence thread. This thread is a personal plea to creationists to convince me that the whole thing is not ridiculous. Also, it is different in the sense that, if you are religious, give me evidence as to why your religion's interpretation or rejection of evolution is correct.
Also, as a side-note, if good evidence is provided, I will take religion and creationism seriously and look into converting to one which fits my views.
Thank you.

"gather as much evidence for your beliefs as you can possibly find and as much evidence against evolution, and put it here." That, sir, is a tall order, virtually impossible to do. This quote sums up the evidence against evolution succinctly:

"Sociologist Rodney Stark is quoted in Scientific American as saying "There's been 200 years of marketing that if you want to be a scientific person you've got to keep your mind free of the fetters of religion." He further notes that in research universities, "the religious people keep their mouths shut".

If you are to accept the teaching of macroevolution as true, you must believe that agnostic or atheistic scientists will not let their personal beliefs influence their interpretation of scientific findings. You must believe that mutations and natural selection produced all complex life forms, despite a century of research that shows that mutations have not transformed even one properly defined species into something entirely new. You must believe that all creatures gradually evolved from a common ancestor, despite a fossil record that strongly indicates that the major kinds of plants and animals appeared abruptly and did not evolve into other kinds, even over aeons of time. Does that type of belief sound as though it is based on facts or on myths? Really, belief in evolution is an act of "faith". " -Was Life Created? p.22

I would add that you must believe the unbelievable complexity, order, and engineering skill manifest in virtually all living things just...happened. As the Bible simply but irrefutably states "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) Only a person blinded to common sense argues a house just happens. How much more so to argue the fantastic wisdom manifest all around us in nature just happened.

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[McBell]

"gather as much evidence for your beliefs as you can possibly find and as much evidence against evolution, and put it here." That, sir, is a tall order, virtually impossible to do. This quote sums up the evidence against evolution succinctly:

"Sociologist Rodney Stark is quoted in Scientific American as saying "There's been 200 years of marketing that if you want to be a scientific person you've got to keep your mind free of the fetters of religion." He further notes that in research universities, "the religious people keep their mouths shut".

If you are to accept the teaching of macroevolution as true, you must believe that agnostic or atheistic scientists will not let their personal beliefs influence their interpretation of scientific findings. You must believe that mutations and natural selection produced all complex life forms, despite a century of research that shows that mutations have not transformed even one properly defined species into something entirely new. You must believe that all creatures gradually evolved from a common ancestor, despite a fossil record that strongly indicates that the major kinds of plants and animals appeared abruptly and did not evolve into other kinds, even over aeons of time. Does that type of belief sound as though it is based on facts or on myths? Really, belief in evolution is an act of "faith". " -Was Life Created? p.22

I would add that you must believe the unbelievable complexity, order, and engineering skill manifest in virtually all living things just...happened. As the Bible simply but irrefutably states "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) Only a person blinded to common sense argues a house just happens. How much more so to argue the fantastic wisdom manifest all around us in nature just happened.

Still waiting for you to start presenting evidence.

 

[outhouse]

How dare you taunt me to give you evidence? BUY THE BIBLE YOU HERETIC.

which bible??


last time I checked there is no evidence of a creator within its pages [all versions]

 

[outhouse]

"gather as much evidence for your beliefs as you can possibly find and as much evidence against evolution, and put it here." That, sir, is a tall order, virtually impossible to do. This quote sums up the evidence against evolution succinctly:

"Sociologist Rodney Stark is quoted in Scientific American as saying "There's been 200 years of marketing that if you want to be a scientific person you've got to keep your mind free of the fetters of religion." He further notes that in research universities, "the religious people keep their mouths shut".

If you are to accept the teaching of macroevolution as true, you must believe that agnostic or atheistic scientists will not let their personal beliefs influence their interpretation of scientific findings. You must believe that mutations and natural selection produced all complex life forms, despite a century of research that shows that mutations have not transformed even one properly defined species into something entirely new. You must believe that all creatures gradually evolved from a common ancestor, despite a fossil record that strongly indicates that the major kinds of plants and animals appeared abruptly and did not evolve into other kinds, even over aeons of time. Does that type of belief sound as though it is based on facts or on myths? Really, belief in evolution is an act of "faith". " -Was Life Created? p.22

I would add that you must believe the unbelievable complexity, order, and engineering skill manifest in virtually all living things just...happened. As the Bible simply but irrefutably states "Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God." (Hebrews 3:4) Only a person blinded to common sense argues a house just happens. How much more so to argue the fantastic wisdom manifest all around us in nature just happened.

Evolution is here to stay, it explains where YOU came from. A common primate ancestor.

this is not in dispute in the scientific community.

Creation is a belief that requires faith, not logic or reason. Its why it was outlawed and kept from bright young minds.




You can personally keep a blind eye to the natural world around you. I find it a tall order for you to fight against every major university around the world and try to undo their teachings from a stance of ignorance and faith.

 

[jtartar]

Ok, I am an ardent Darwinian. Evolution is fact. But this constant creationism is something I know little about, simply because I find it so ridiculous I can't be bothered to check it out.
So, to all creationists, please gather as much evidence for your beliefs as you can posssibly find and as much evidence against evolution, and put it here.
This is different from the Creationists Please Provide Evidence thread. This thread is a personal plea to creationists to convince me that the whole thing is not ridiculous. Also, it is different in the sense that, if you are religious, give me evidence as to why your religion's interpretation or rejection of evolution is correct.
Also, as a side-note, if good evidence is provided, I will take religion and creationism seriously and look into converting to one which fits my views.
Thank you.

Jorden Robert Wilson,
Your statement leads me to believe that you are not serious. Why would you convert to one that fits YOUR views??
Have you heard of the terms, Epistemological Predicament, or Egocentric Perdicament??? Mankind, and I mean ALL mankind is ignorant and very limited in his intelligence. Why then would you question the Almighty, Job 40:2, and try to find some teaching that suits you, and not find what the Omniscient God is telling you, Ps 100:3, Isa 45:18, Jere 10:6, 10,11,14,15.
I posted an answer to Evolutionists on the post; Spontaneous Generation. Please read this, it is an interrogative post.

 

[waitasec]

10 pages in....
no evidence. go figure.

 

[otokage007]

Jorden Robert Wilson,
Your statement leads me to believe that you are not serious. Why would you convert to one that fits YOUR views??

Of course it has to fit his views, in the sense that he would convert to the religion he thinks it is correct.

Mankind, and I mean ALL mankind is ignorant and very limited in his intelligence. Why then would you question the Almighty, Job 40:2, and try to find some teaching that suits you, and not find what the Omniscient God is telling you, Ps 100:3, Isa 45:18, Jere 10:6, 10,11,14,15.

Now I clearly see the proof of that limited inteligence.

 

[Azekual]

Ok, I am an ardent Darwinian. Evolution is fact. But this constant creationism is something I know little about, simply because I find it so ridiculous I can't be bothered to check it out.
So, to all creationists, please gather as much evidence for your beliefs as you can posssibly find and as much evidence against evolution, and put it here.
This is different from the Creationists Please Provide Evidence thread. This thread is a personal plea to creationists to convince me that the whole thing is not ridiculous. Also, it is different in the sense that, if you are religious, give me evidence as to why your religion's interpretation or rejection of evolution is correct.
Also, as a side-note, if good evidence is provided, I will take religion and creationism seriously and look into converting to one which fits my views.
Thank you.

My particular branch of Christianity is.... flexible and it doesn't take itself too seriously. I realize there will never be any irrefutable proof of God, thus I don't pretend to offer it. Read my thread about parts of it and ask me if you want to know more about it
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/118893-there-no-proof-god-exists.html

 

[outhouse]

Jorden Robert Wilson,
Your statement leads me to believe that you are not serious. Why would you convert to one that fits YOUR views??
Have you heard of the terms, Epistemological Predicament, or Egocentric Perdicament??? Mankind, and I mean ALL mankind is ignorant and very limited in his intelligence. Why then would you question the Almighty, Job 40:2, and try to find some teaching that suits you, and not find what the Omniscient God is telling you, Ps 100:3, Isa 45:18, Jere 10:6, 10,11,14,15.
I posted an answer to Evolutionists on the post; Spontaneous Generation. Please read this, it is an interrogative post.

he is not trying to convert you.

its not religion he is dealing with it is the truth of how life came from a common ancestor. This isnt a belief. It is a fact.

now do you have evidence of creation or not??? thought so.

 

[outhouse]

My particular branch of Christianity is.... flexible and it doesn't take itself too seriously. I realize there will never be any irrefutable proof of God, thus I don't pretend to offer it. Read my thread about parts of it and ask me if you want to know more about it
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/118893-there-no-proof-god-exists.html

this isnt a does god exist thread. This is a thread on evidence of creation of life on this planet.

So far its obvious to me, ancient hebrews who wrote the bible didnt have a clue about the natural world around them.


waitasec said it right a few post up

 

[rusra02]

Evolution is here to stay, it explains where YOU came from. A common primate ancestor.

this is not in dispute in the scientific community.

Creation is a belief that requires faith, not logic or reason. Its why it was outlawed and kept from bright young minds.

You can personally keep a blind eye to the natural world around you. I find it a tall order for you to fight against every major university around the world and try to undo their teachings from a stance of ignorance and faith.

Your statement that the ToE is not in dispute in the scientific community is simply NOT true. I do appreciate your admission that belief in creation "was outlawed (in the scientific and academic communities) and kept from bright young minds."
I would expect that bright young minds could examine the evidence for and against evolution for themselves. May it be fear of exposure that motivates this tyranny of authority that precludes even an open discussion of the evidence? I think..yes.

 

[tumbleweed41]

...May it be fear of exposure that motivates this tyranny of authority that precludes even an open discussion of the evidence? I think..yes.

No, it is for the same reason we do not teach astrology alongside astronomy. Or alchemy alongside chemistry.
Pseudoscience and superstition have no business being taught as an alternative to scientific facts and theories that are backed by objective empirical evidence.

 

[painted wolf]

Your statement that the ToE is not in dispute in the scientific community is simply NOT true. I do appreciate your admission that belief in creation "was outlawed (in the scientific and academic communities) and kept from bright young minds."
I would expect that bright young minds could examine the evidence for and against evolution for themselves. May it be fear of exposure that motivates this tyranny of authority that precludes even an open discussion of the evidence? I think..yes.

Creationists are welcome to openly discuss their evidence in any scientific publication, in any scientific conference and in any other means that scientific evidence is discussed.

High school is not one of those.... High school is for information that is already shown to be credible. This is why we don't discuss Holocaust denial, Astrology, Flat Earth, or Alchemy in High School.

Creationism doesn't get to short-cut it's way to being scientific by forcing itself onto children education.... if you want it in there, then you have to do the hard work of actually doing science.
If you don't want to do science... keep it in the churches.

wa:do

 

[outhouse]

Your statement that the ToE is not in dispute in the scientific community is simply NOT true.

this is a false statement

ToE hasnt been in debate for over 100 years [longer actually]


all you have for creationism left, is fundys that cannot accept change due to closed minds. If a few of those become biologist and try to fight it IS NOT a real or valid dabate within the scientific community.

I would expect that bright young minds could examine the evidence for and against evolution for themselves

You dont get it, there is no evidence against ToE. Only factual evidence for.