Creationist - What about Evolution you disagree with?

[Pegg]

Would you mind listing the books you've read, as it would be interesting to me to read an unbiased piece of literature that actually convinced someone evolution is fake. Seriously

you do realise that every book produced to promote evolution is biased?

The WT society have produced a book entitled 'Evolution or Creation' which presents 'both' sides of the issue. Its bibliography is extensive and it is a well researched book showing us the many parts of evolution that are unexplainable

when you weigh them up, any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion as most of the people in the world that the way evolution is explained is not entirely accurate of reality.

 

[painted wolf]

Would you mind listing the books you've read, as it would be interesting to me to read an unbiased piece of literature that actually convinced someone evolution is fake. Seriously

Me too! :yes:

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

you do realise that every book produced to promote evolution is biased?

The WT society have produced a book entitled 'Evolution or Creation' which presents 'both' sides of the issue. Its bibliography is extensive and it is a well researched book showing us the many parts of evolution that are unexplainable

when you weigh them up, any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion as most of the people in the world that the way evolution is explained is not entirely accurate of reality.

Somehow I doubt that a book produced by your church is unbiased. The JW's are quite open about their bias to promote biblical literalism.

wa:do

 

[RitalinO.D.]

you do realise that every book produced to promote evolution is biased?

So would you consider a book written by an evolutionary theist biased? They really do exist.

The WT society have produced a book entitled 'Evolution or Creation' which presents 'both' sides of the issue. Its bibliography is extensive and it is a well researched book showing us the many parts of evolution that are unexplainable

when you weigh them up, any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion as most of the people in the world that the way evolution is explained is not entirely accurate of reality.

I appologize pegg, but i refuse to accept a book on evolution published by any religious society as unbiased.

 

[Pegg]

So would you consider a book written by an evolutionary theist biased? They really do exist.

yes i know

and yes i have. Gerald Schroeder believes in evolution and creation. I dont.

Not evolution in its current form which 'assumes' that all living creatures descended from a common ancestor, anyway.

but one thing i didnt mention is that what really cuts the mustard for me is the fact that the bible is a book of accurate prophecy. That is an indisputable evidence that a superior being is behind the making of the bible and that superior being has informed us that he created each 'kind' of creature which then went on to multiply. To me, he has proved that he is there, so with that in mind, it is impossible to accept that living things (the things he says he created) evolved by unguided means.

In fact i would go so far, as have many others, to say that science is more in line with creation then with evolution.

I appologize pegg, but i refuse to accept a book on evolution published by any religious society as unbiased.

evolutionists dont tend to put out books with information that presents the opposing scientific evidence against evolution though... so they are also biased. At leeast the WT society have offered both views...and actually if you were to read the book, you'd see that they present the information more in the form of a court case where each side present their evidence and the jury (the reader) is left to draw their own conclusions.

We have just released 2 new brochures with up to date research and if you'd like, i'd be more then happy to post you a copy

 

[outhouse]

is the fact that the bible is a book of accurate prophecy.

whatmakes you think this is a true statement???

 

[outhouse]

it is impossible to accept that living things (the things he says he created) evolved by unguided means.

this is the exact problem I have with religion, for this reason alone in my eyes it should be outlawed for crimes against humanity in my opinion.

pegg evolution is fact

your mind may be closed due to religious dogma you may not fully understand.

the creation story was written to be read allegorically, that means fiction pegg.

 

[RitalinO.D.]

but one thing i didnt mention is that what really cuts the mustard for me is the fact that the bible is a book of accurate prophecy. That is an indisputable evidence that a superior being is behind the making of the bible and that superior being has informed us that he created each 'kind' of creature which then went on to multiply.

Would you be willing to demonstrate those facts that make the bible an accurate prophecizer(sp)?

 

[Pegg]

whatmakes you think this is a true statement???

years of studying them

 

[Pegg]

Would you be willing to demonstrate those facts that make the bible an accurate prophecizer(sp)?

absolutely!

 

[waitasec]

opcorn:







crickets.....

 

[The Neo Nerd]

OK Peg.

You made the statement.

Now it's time to back it up.

Hit us with your best biblical prophecy.

-Q

 

[Pegg]

OK Peg.

You made the statement.

Now it's time to back it up.

Hit us with your best biblical prophecy.

-Q

its a bit off topic for this thread, but perhaps i'll start a new thread

 

[The Neo Nerd]

its a bit off topic for this thread, but perhaps i'll start a new thread

No go ahead, this thread is already off topic.

I'm sure no one will mind.

-Q

 

[Jose Fly]

In fact i would go so far, as have many others, to say that science is more in line with creation then with evolution.

Then why has no one compiled this information and published it in a scientific journal? Such a thing would put that person right there with Einstein as among the most important scientific thinkers of all time.

Funny how when it comes to empty boasts, creationists seem to excel, but when it comes time to back them up with data and actual work, suddenly they're just too busy or something.

Something I tell boastful creationists all the time: What the hell are you waiting for? We're talking a scientific revolution the likes of which have never been seen, and you can't be bothered? Get off your butt, do the work, and change the world of science forever. Anything less and you're just blowing smoke.

 

[Jose Fly]

We have just released 2 new brochures with up to date research and if you'd like, i'd be more then happy to post you a copy

Please do. I would absolutely love to see this information.

 

[Autodidact]

i never studied evolution as a subject...it came up in general science at school in years 9 and 10 ( i finished school in yr 10 and didnt go onto college or any form of study after that)

What i know of evolution is from what i've read about it in books that present both sides of the argument. I've found that the arguments 'against' evolution are stronger then the arguments 'for' it.

Really? What books? Because you don't seem to have a clear understanding of what ToE is, let alone what the evidence is that caused all of Biology to accept it as a foundational theory.

 

[Noaidi]

We have just released 2 new brochures with up to date research and if you'd like, i'd be more then happy to post you a copy

Are they available online? It would be interesting to have a look at these. Even if you could scan just a couple of pages on here would be great - it would give us something that we could all have access to and discuss. Thanks.

 

[Autodidact]

you do realise that every book produced to promote evolution is biased?

You mean what the rest of us call "science books"? Do you consider all of science biased, or only Biology?

The WT society have produced a book entitled 'Evolution or Creation' which presents 'both' sides of the issue. Its bibliography is extensive and it is a well researched book showing us the many parts of evolution that are unexplainable

Let me get this. An organization that is virulently anti-evolution is the one you rely on to present an unbiased presentation of both sides of the issue? Apparently they do a terrible job, because right now you don't even know what ToE says.

So have you ever read an actual Biology book on the subject?

when you weigh them up, any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion as most of the people in the world that the way evolution is explained is not entirely accurate of reality.

And that's why over 99% of Biologists accept it? Because biologists are just what, evil? Dishonest? Stupid? Or possibly...educated?

 

[Autodidact]

yes i know

and yes i have. Gerald Schroeder believes in evolution and creation. I dont.

Not evolution in its current form which 'assumes' that all living creatures descended from a common ancestor, anyway.

This is what I mean by either bias or not understanding. This is not the assumption of ToE, it's the conclusion. Which is, of course, the exact opposite of an assumption.

but one thing i didnt mention is that what really cuts the mustard for me is the fact that the bible is a book of accurate prophecy. That is an indisputable evidence that a superior being is behind the making of the bible and that superior being has informed us that he created each 'kind' of creature which then went on to multiply. To me, he has proved that he is there, so with that in mind, it is impossible to accept that living things (the things he says he created) evolved by unguided means.

Yes, I understand. You trust faith/religion/myth over science. Personally, I find science very effective.

It's certainly your prerogative to choose faith over science. Not so great to lie and say that science supports your view. Just come out and be honest and admit that you reject science. Because you do.

In fact i would go so far, as have many others, to say that science is more in line with creation then with evolution.

This is what I mean. This is false. Unless you're asserting that Biology is not science?

evolutionists dont tend to put out books with information that presents the opposing scientific evidence against evolution though... so they are also biased.

There is no evidence against evolution. If there were, the issue would still be in scientific doubt. It isn't. It was resolved, scientifically, over a century ago.

At leeast the WT society have offered both views...and actually if you were to read the book, you'd see that they present the information more in the form of a court case where each side present their evidence and the jury (the reader) is left to draw their own conclusions.

But they picked the lawyer for both sides. Also the evidence.

We have just released 2 new brochures with up to date research and if you'd like, i'd be more then happy to post you a copy

Feel free. I'll hazard a guess they are less than accurate.

My offer remains open. Please let us know if you are ever interested in learning what ToE actually says. Until you do, any opinion you have on the subject is simply uninformed.