Creationist - what is your understanding of TOE?

[RitalinO.D.]

I'm still curious to see the "Creationists" explanation of how the different races came to be from two same race beings, regardless of the original race. I don't see how this can be done without the word "evolve" being used.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I'm still curious to see the "Creationists" explanation of how the different races came to be from two same race beings, regardless of the original race. I don't see how this can be done without the word "evolve" being used.

Well, you see, there was this King who wanted to build a tower to Heaven......:run:

 

[RitalinO.D.]

Didn't you say that once already in this thread?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I'm a creationist, and I think that ToE is the best way to understand the natural sciences.

And you may be a minute exception to the norm. :bow:

 

[painted wolf]

I'm a creationist, and I think that ToE is the best way to understand the natural sciences.

Agreed! I find the study of the natural sciences to be a much more powerful boost to my spirituality than simply reading "just-so" stories from centuries past. Not that the "just-so" stories are without merit from a socio-cultural/religious angle.

wa:do

 

[Iasion]

Gday Ace,

The theory of evolution maintains that life on Earth came about as the result of chance and emerged by itself from natural conditions?

Correct.
That is indeed quite a common creationist view of the evolution.

But it's competely wrong of course.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

Your not paying attention.
Evolution is as much a theory as creationism is.

Wrong.

THEORY has 2 meanings

It is all too common for people to confuse the two meanings of the word "theory".

In popular terms, "theory" means a guess, or speculation. Thus the common phrase "just a theory" meaning "just speculation".

But,
in scientific terms, there is another, different, meaning to the word "theory" - it means an EXPLANATION.


Theories EXPLAIN facts

Theories explain the facts we observe :

Gravity is a fact, we observe its effects.
Gravitational Theory describes how gravity works.

Electricity is a fact, we use it everyday.
Electromagnetic Theory explains the details of how it operates.

Germs are a fact.
Germ Theory explains how they cause disease.

Evolution is a fact, it is observed.
The Theory of Evolution explains how it works.



the ToE is an EXPLANATION, NOT speculation[/b]

The Theory of Evolution is NOT "speculation about evolution" - that is NOT what the phrase means at all.

Rather -
the Theory of Evolution is the EXPLANATION for how evolution works, it models the behaviour of the FACTS of evolution, and allows predictions to be made.

Just as Electromagnetic Theory is the explanation or model of how electricity works.
Would one say "electricity is just a theory" ?
Of course not.

And Gravitational Theory is the explanation or model of how gravity works.
Would one say "gravity is just a theory" ?
Of course not.

And Germ Theory is the explanation or model of how germs cause disease.
Would one say "germs are just a theory" ?
Of course not.


Yet
some people say
"evolution is (just) a theory"

as if it means
"evolution is merely untested speculation" (false)


Claiming "evolution is just a theory" indicates lack of understanding of the word, and how science operates, and that the ToE is an explanation for observed facts.



EVOLUTION = FACT & THEORY

Evolution is a FACT.
We observe evolution.
And,
the Theory of Evolution is the EXPLANATION, or model, for the observed facts of evolution.



Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

I am saying that the possibility exists that someone will come along in the future and decide that we were all wrong about everything and rewrite our history to suite the way the see it.

The "possibility" ?

What you really mean is :
"Someone might come along and show we were wrong about everything".
(Unspoken but implied :
so someone WILL come along and show we were wrong about EVOLUTION.)

Because science is all about being WRONG. Everytime scientists announce some new discovery - that means the previous science was wrong ! Proof of science being wrong - every time - wrong so MANY times!

"Scientists discover a new blah blah blah ..."
See?
They were WRONG before!
Like I said.

"Scientists have found X Y Z ...."
Aha!
So they were wrong before.
Yet ANOTHER case of science being WRONG!

"Biologists have recently showed that ..."
See?
So they were wrong before.
It happens ALL the TIME! Scientists keep getting it wrong!

Every new scientific discovery is an actually showing science previously being WRONG !
Why would you believe anyone who keeps getting it WRONG - over and over ?

Science is moving so fast lately - they keep rapidly coming up with even more new discoveries. And every single new discovery proves that science was (previously) wrong ! More and more discoveries - more and more evidence that science is wrong!

Clear and repeated evidence that science is wrong basically all the time.

This obviously proves that all the science we know is wrong !

And if science is wrong, creationism MUST be correct -
therefore God !
Q.E.D

(Because - creationist views haven't changed since the early iron ages - it MUST be TRUTH if it's NEVER updated or improved. We NEVER ever ever admit the bible is wrong, so we win.)

Such is creationist thinking.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

But sadly men will contiue to seek to destroy it and all those who believe in it, and you call that Evolution. I just call it Evil.

There we have it -
Evolution is "Evil".

Creationists are on a religious crusade against Evilution.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

If it (Evilution) keeps being widely accepted, then people will be quite comforatable in thinking they are doing the world a favour by wiping out this evil wicked scourge form the earth, i.e those who are thwarting mankinds progress.

I'm quite serious. The bible predicts that those who won't obey the party line will be beheaded.

So, Bereanz is "quite comfortable" with wiping out this evil scourge - by beheading people who support Evilution.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

I believe you also looking for evidence. I can only provide evidence that proves you're wasting your time looking.

Wrong.
You've been asked for your understanding of the ToE.
Several times, without an answer.
It appears you don't actually KNOW what the ToE says.

Especially when you ask bizarre questions like :
"If a white woman and black man have a brown baby - is that evolution ?"

Tell us Bereanz - what do YOU think the ToE says?
Just briefly.

Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

Adaption within a species is observed and tested scientific fact. EVOLUTION FACT
Adaption from one species into another species is not Observed and tested scientfic fact. EVOLUTION MYTH.
Right! That answers the OP.

Wrong.
That is NOT what the ToE says.

That's creationist falsehoods ABOUT the ToE.
It's clear - you do NOT know what the ToE actually says.


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

I would think if you understand something, it would not be that hard to state it. Therefore I conclude that there is not a single creationist on this board who understands ToE.

Yah,
it's quite odd isn't it?

And we also saw on another thread that creationists cannot clearly explain HOW creationism works EITHER !

It's like going to war against a foriegn country - WITHOUT knowing who you are fighting against - OR even who you are fighting FOR !

That's creationism for ya


Iasion

 

[Iasion]

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[Iasion]

Gday all,

On the contrary....I am not contrary.....
I do believe in evolution. There simply is no proof it. You would need that missing link...which is still missing. That you prefer to use the word 'theory' as a substitute for 'proof' does not bother me.
But there is a difference.

"Missing link" - check.
"'Belief in evolution" - check.
"No proof" - check.
"Just a theory" - check.

Creationist ignorance - check.


Iaison

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

I have been blasted to many times by Unreasonable RF People who think they actually know the theory of evolution to take you up on that.

Ah -
so all your previous attempts to explain what ToE says have been shown to be WRONG - you DON'T know what the ToE says.

So naturally - now you just REFUSE to discuss it ever again.
But the idea of learning to get it RIGHT never even occured to you.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is creationism for you.


Iasion

 

[Gloone]

I believe you also looking for evidence. I can only provide evidence that proves you're wasting your time looking.

This is actually really good evidence. :clap

 

[Gloone]

Gday,



So, Bereanz is "quite comfortable" with wiping out this evil scourge - by beheading people who support Evilution.


Iasion

Can you provide any accounts of this actually happening. Or are you just making stuff up and throwing it into your elaborate book for fiction.

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

Can you provide any accounts of this actually happening. Or are you just making stuff up and throwing it into your elaborate book for fiction.

Well, I'm just quoting his words.

Iasion

 

[nothing_nowhere]

there is no creationist that understand evolution correctly, because when you do, you're not a creationist anymore