Creationist - what is your understanding of TOE?

[the gateway]

Gday,



How did YOU detect it ?


Iasion

HOW do scientists detect it....with their inferior instruments!.....WE all know that with time, science advances, its just that now scientific instruments are backward in that regard!

 

[the gateway]

So,
there we have it -

NOT ONE creationist can explain what evolution says.

Iasion

evolution claims we evolved from apes.....yet there was a time frame!.....evolution holds no truth whatsoever. Around Christs time there were just 50 million people. How many do u honestly believe were around in 10,000BC.....not many! evolution would require millions of years to hold any truth whatsoever!

 

[Autodidact]

No again here you are under some assumption that a definition is meant to be a theory of everything within itself. It is not. A definition can be simple ie kinds are equivalent to the lower rank of family or subfamily, kinds share 99.9% single nucleotide similarity, kinds are Gods' initial creations and the adaptive variations therein, etc; or a definition can be complicated ie species may refer to genetically similarity, cryptic species, morophological species, cohesion species. A definition is a definition and nothing more.

Here is my understanding of Natural Selection.

Sometimes, evolutionary biologists claim that "they cannot observe the evolutionary effect of natural selection and mutation mechanisms since these mechanisms take place only over an extended period of time." However, this argument, which is just a way of making themselves feel better, is baseless, in the sense that it lacks any scientific foundation. During his lifetime, a scientist can observe thousands of generations of living things with short life spans such as fruit flies or bacteria, and still observe no "evolution." Pierre-Paul Grassé states the following about the unchanging nature of bacteria, a fact which invalidates evolution:

Bacteria ...are the organisms which, because of their huge numbers, produce the most mutants. Bacteria ...exhibit a great fidelity to their species. The bacillus Escherichia coli, whose mutants have been studied very carefully, is the best example. The reader will agree that it is surprising, to say the least, to want to prove evolution and to discover its mechanisms and then to choose as a material for this study a being which practically stabilized a billion years ago! What is the use of their unceasing mutations, if they do not [produce evolutionary] change? In sum, the mutations of bacteria and viruses are merely hereditary fluctuations around a median position; a swing to the right, a swing to the left, but no final evolutionary effect. Cockroaches, which are one of the most venerable living insect groups, have remained more or less unchanged since the Permian, yet they have undergone as many mutations as Drosophila, a Tertiary insect.

Briefly, it is impossible for living beings to have evolved, because there exists no mechanism in nature that can cause evolution. Furthermore, this conclusion agrees with the evidence of the fossil record, which does not demonstrate the existence of a process of evolution, but rather just the contrary.

Evolution - Natural Selection FLAWED? - Biology-Online

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So do you agree with the once esteemed, now late Dr. Grasse that Lamarck was correct?

I'm afraid time has moved on, and the once venerable Dr. Grasse was shown to be mistaken.

 

[Autodidact]

Science gets it wrong. For example, scientists believe the baby in the womb does not have a nervous system until its 3 days old.....this is because the intsruments they use are not advanced enough to detect the nervous system. The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!

1. If the instruments are not advanced enough to detect it, how do you know?
2. But what kind of nervous system could 32 cells have, really?

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

Earth to the gateway :

YOU disagreed with science and said :
"The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!"

So, I asked you HOW YOU knew that ?

But like creationists usually do, you simply ignored the question :

HOW do scientists detect it....with their inferior instruments!.....WE all know that with time, science advances, its just that now scientific instruments are backward in that regard!

CAN you answer the question ?

YOU insisted that :
"The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!"

I am asking YOU how YOU know that ?
CAN you answer that question please ?

Iasion

 

[Autodidact]

The nervous system only needs one cell to feel pain

How do you know? btw, do you think an amoeba feels pain? How about a flake of your skin?

 

[the gateway]

Gday,

Earth to the gateway :

YOU disagreed with science and said :
"The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!"

So, I asked you HOW YOU knew that ?

But like creationists usually do, you simply ignored the question :



CAN you answer the question ?

YOU insisted that :
"The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!"

I am asking YOU how YOU know that ?
CAN you answer that question please ?

Iasion

Rather how do u know that.....because someone told u thru a textbook!

 

[Autodidact]

HOW do scientists detect it....with their inferior instruments!.....WE all know that with time, science advances, its just that now scientific instruments are backward in that regard!

Inferior to what? They can see them pretty well, actually.

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

So,
here is another ignorant creationist's attempt to explain evolution :

evolution claims we evolved from apes.....yet there was a time frame!.....evolution holds no truth whatsoever. Around Christs time there were just 50 million people. How many do u honestly believe were around in 10,000BC.....not many! evolution would require millions of years to hold any truth whatsoever!

Wow.
This is complete and utter nonsense.
It is NOT what evolution says.

This is a fundamental problem with creationists - they are mentally unable to grasp the question and answer it.

Every time we ask a creationist what evolution says, we get the same result :

A bunch of stupid creationist preaching that is NOT what evolution says at all !

All creationists know is their CREOvolution - their own silly misunderstanding of evolution.

But sadly, we have seen that NOT ONE SINGLE creationist can actually explain what evolution really says.

Pathetic.


Iasion

 

[Autodidact]

HOW do scientists detect it....with their inferior instruments!.....WE all know that with time, science advances, its just that now scientific instruments are backward in that regard!

Rather how do u know that.....because someone told u thru a textbook!

No, I saw a picture.

I have a question, though. If individual cells feel pain, doesn't that include the unfertilized egg, as well as the sperm?

 

[Autodidact]

gateway: Can you explain what you think the Theory of Evolution actually says?

 

[Ubjon]

Science gets it wrong. For example, scientists believe the baby in the womb does not have a nervous system until its 3 days old.....this is because the intsruments they use are not advanced enough to detect the nervous system. The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!

They believe this (If what you are saying is true) on the basis of research into the development of the nervous system. What do you have to back up your claims beyond the feeble arguement that scientists can't detect that which you seem confident exists. Incidently the nervous system is made up of nerve cells. In order to determine whether or not there is a nervous system you just need to determine whether or not there are any functioning nerve cells. This is not beyond current scientific tools so your claim is clearly bogus.

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

Rather how do u know that.....because someone told u thru a textbook!

I did not make any claims about knowing anything.


I simple asked YOU a qustion about this claim that YOU made :
"The nervous system is present from the time the baby is conceived!"

It is clear you will NEVER answer that question, because you cannot - you probably just made that up in your head. But you'll never admit it. Creationists are like that.


Iasion

 

[the gateway]

They believe this (If what you are saying is true) on the basis of research into the development of the nervous system. What do you have to back up your claims beyond the feeble arguement that scientists can't detect that which you seem confident exists.

Incidently the nervous system is made up of nerve cells. In order to determine whether or not there is a nervous system you just need to determine whether or not there are any functioning nerve cells.

Its not complicated[/q
Rather, how can u prove it.....because u read it in a textbook!

 

[painted wolf]

The nervous system only needs one cell to feel pain

no... A nervous system needs specialized cells called nerve cells.

Feeling pain is not the same as having a nervous system.

wa:do

ps... before you throw that "textbook" line at me... i have done experiments with nervous systems. Voltage clamping for example.

 

[Iasion]

Another problem with creationists is they are not smart enough to use quote functions on message boards.


Iasion

 

[Ubjon]

They believe this (If what you are saying is true) on the basis of research into the development of the nervous system. What do you have to back up your claims beyond the feeble arguement that scientists can't detect that which you seem confident exists.

Incidently the nervous system is made up of nerve cells. In order to determine whether or not there is a nervous system you just need to determine whether or not there are any functioning nerve cells.

Its not complicated[/q
Rather, how can u prove it.....because u read it in a textbook!

As I said its not difficult. With a sufficiently powerful microscope and the knowledge of what a nerve cell looks like I could find out for myself.

 

[Iasion]

Gday,

Rather, how can u prove it.....because u read it in a textbook!

Pretty funny from a creationist - I could say :

Rather, how can u prove it.....because u read it in an ancient religious book of myths and legends !


Iasion

 

[the gateway]

no... A nervous system needs specialized cells called nerve cells.

Feeling pain is not the same as having a nervous system.

wa:do

How can u say that.....thats utter ignorance!

 

[the gateway]

As I said its not difficult. With a sufficiently powerful microscope and the knowledge of what a nerve cell looks like I could find out for myself.

But u cant.....the microscopes are too backward!