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Creationist - what is your understanding of TOE?

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Is the Theory of Evolution some type of modern alternate theory compared to ancient wisdom? . . :yes:

An introduction to evolution
The definition
Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life.

There is an illustration at the link I provided but think of it this way...Your dad and your mom passed on some of their genetic traits to you. You and your wife will pass on your traits to your children and in turn they will pass on their traits along with the traits of their respective husband or wife to their children...and so on and so on.....

Evolution is not about the "origin" (per se) of life. It's helpful to remember that as you enter into the various evolution debates here at RF.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
An introduction to evolution
The definition
Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification. This definition encompasses small-scale evolution (changes in gene frequency in a population from one generation to the next) and large-scale evolution (the descent of different species from a common ancestor over many generations). Evolution helps us to understand the history of life.

There is an illustration at the link I provided but think of it this way...Your dad and your mom passed on some of their genetic traits to you. You and your wife will pass on your traits to your children and in turn they will pass on their traits along with the traits of their respective husband or wife to their children...and so on and so on.....

Evolution is not about the "origin" (per se) of life. It's helpful to remember that as you enter into the various evolution debates here at RF.

So you've noticed the confusion between....

Origin of species....
Origin of life....
Genesis....
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
So you've noticed the confusion between....

Origin of species....
Origin of life....
Genesis....
No real confusion among the informed.

  • Origin of the Species-Biological Evolution (Observable fact backed by empirical evidence)
  • Origin of Life-Abiogenesis (Likely hypothesis)
  • Genesis- Writings of certain desert nomads from approximately 2400 years ago. (Myths contained therein likely originated from older Sumerian myths.)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
No real confusion among the informed.

  • Origin of the Species-Biological Evolution (Observable fact backed by empirical evidence)
  • Origin of Life-Abiogenesis (Likely hypothesis)
  • Genesis- Writings of certain desert nomads from approximately 2400 years ago. (Myths contained therein likely originated from older Sumerian myths.)


FRUBALS MY FRIEND :)

I would like to add some OT text possibly dates back to 1000BC so roughly 3000 years ago

genesis -------- known 3000 year old fiction stolen from sumerians and egyptions as nomadic hebrews had nothing of there own. The jews wrote it and jews call it a fable. composed from 5 unknown authors over century's, its a compilation that makes genesis a patchwork that confuses people to this day.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
dang I forgot to add it was told over campfires burning goat meat for 300-500 year before it was ever written down.

dang that oral tradition escaped me :)
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
genesis -------- known 3000 year old fiction stolen from sumerians and egyptions as nomadic hebrews had nothing of there own. The jews wrote it and jews call it a fable. composed from 5 unknown authors over century's, its a compilation that makes genesis a patchwork that confuses people to this day.

The written Torah is likely only 2400 years old, if that.
According to the Talmud, much of the contents of the Tanakh (written Torah) were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" around 450 BCE. The orthodox canonization was completed around 200 CE.
So it is reasonable to assume that the various writings of Genesis were combined around 450 BCE.
;)
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The written Torah is likely only 2400 years old, if that.
According to the Talmud, much of the contents of the Tanakh (written Torah) were compiled by the "Men of the Great Assembly" around 450 BCE. The orthodox canonization was completed around 200 CE.
So it is reasonable to assume that the various writings of Genesis were combined around 450 BCE.
;)

genesis predates the torah, that is when it hit its last final version we have today.


Documentary hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this is what most scholars and historians follow today


The documentary hypothesis assumes that the text of the Torah as preserved can be divided into identifiable sources that predate its compilations by centuries, the Jahwist (J) source being the oldest, dating to as early as the 10th century BCE, along with the Elohist (E), the Deuteronomist (D), and the Priestly source (P), dating to the 8th to 6th centuries. The final compilation of the extant text is dated to either the 6th or 5th century BC.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
genesis predates the torah, that is when it hit its last final version we have today.


Documentary hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this is what most scholars and historians follow today


The documentary hypothesis assumes that the text of the Torah as preserved can be divided into identifiable sources that predate its compilations by centuries, the Jahwist (J) source being the oldest, dating to as early as the 10th century BCE, along with the Elohist (E), the Deuteronomist (D), and the Priestly source (P), dating to the 8th to 6th centuries. The final compilation of the extant text is dated to either the 6th or 5th century BC.

Well if you were here, I would buy you a beer and we could discuss it ;)

Now back to the Creationist understanding of the Theory of Evolution...
 

Dirty Penguin

Master Of Ceremony
Page cannot be found.

Why not go for it here?


tumbleweed answered it....I happen to agree.

No real confusion among the informed.

  • Origin of the Species-Biological Evolution (Observable fact backed by empirical evidence)
  • Origin of Life-Abiogenesis (Likely hypothesis)
  • Genesis- Writings of certain desert nomads from approximately 2400 years ago. (Myths contained therein likely originated from older Sumerian myths.)
 
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