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Creationists: Here's your chance

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
God is outside of the space time universe. He is not limited to a three dimensional arena as we are. Science has discovered that there are many more dimensions than the ones that we are limited to on earth. How could we possibly comprehend a God that operates in an arena that has 7,8,9,10, or even more dimensions.

New Developments in Research on Multiple Dimensions: Dark Energy | Pureinsight

The hilarious thing about all this is you've stated what you have, yet Christianity and most other religions love to talk about what God does and does not want us to do.

How can we comprehend his will if he is outside our understanding?
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
I listed a link on the same post. Did you read it?

You posted a link dealing with extra dimensions. However, the link said nothing about god existing outside the space time universe or inhabiting those dimensions.

Please provide tangible evidence that god exists outside the space time universe and/or in those dimensions. Otherwise it is simply a meaningless assertion.
 
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Danmac

Well-Known Member
You posted a link dealing with extra dimensions. However, the link said nothing about god existing outside the space time universe or inhabiting those dimensions.

Please provide tangible evidence that god exists outside the space time universe and/or in those dimensions. Otherwise it is simply a meaningless assertion.

Unprovable yes. About like evolution. We will call it a theory.
 

Danmac

Well-Known Member
The hilarious thing about all this is you've stated what you have, yet Christianity and most other religions love to talk about what God does and does not want us to do.

How can we comprehend his will if he is outside our understanding?

He isn't outside to those who seek him with sincerity.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
Unprovable yes. About like evolution. We will call it a theory.

Well, I'm sorry, but without evidence to back up your claim it is not scientific and hardly worthy of the title 'theory'.

As for evolution, I'll thank you to read point 1 again, then move on.
 

The_Evelyonian

Old-School Member
He isn't outside to those who seek him with sincerity.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

2) Scripture by itself is not evidence. You can use it to help make your case (I.E. the bible says the earth is 6,000-10,000 years old and here is evidence that it really is...) but your argument cannot stand if it is based solely on a holy book.

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painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
God is outside of the space time universe. He is not limited to a three dimensional arena as we are. Science has discovered that there are many more dimensions than the ones that we are limited to on earth. How could we possibly comprehend a God that operates in an arena that has 7,8,9,10, or even more dimensions.
So then... you can't see it.

Extra dimensions does not solve your problem... it just makes it worse. Now you have simply added an infinite number of beginnings.

wa:do
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
What source are you getting this from?
Victor Stenger, philosopher and physicist, explains it.

Cosmological inflation seems to be eternal the way it is theorised. Although new inflation is classically rolling down the potential, quantum fluctuations can sometimes bring it back up to previous levels. These regions in which the inflaton fluctuates upwards expand much faster than regions in which the inflaton has a lower potential energy, and tend to dominate in terms of physical volume. This steady state, which first developed by Vilenkin,[62] is called "eternal inflation". It has been shown that any inflationary theory with an unbounded potential is eternal.[63] It is a popular belief among physicists that this steady state cannot continue forever into the past.[64][65][66] The inflationary spacetime, which is similar to de Sitter space, is incomplete without a contracting region. However, unlike de Sitter space, fluctuations in a contracting inflationary space will collapse to form a gravitational singularity, a point where densities become infinite. Therefore, it is necessary to have a theory for the universe's initial conditions. Linde, however, believes inflation may be past eternal.
[wiki] (Not that I understand what the heck they're talking about, but it sounds like they think it may well be eternal)

Can you list one of these?
I understand that there are events at the quantum level that physicists say are not caused. I am not a physicist myself, so don't ask me to explain it. Maybe one will happen along.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Unprovable yes. About like evolution. We will call it a theory.

*sigh* theory: A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis. In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.from here.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
He isn't outside to those who seek him with sincerity.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

How convincing. So if people who sincerely seek him know him. how come there are millions of different interpretations. Is God constant? Is he one being? Is he a being?

Also, how are you qualified to speak for a God that cannot be sought at all?
 

Danmac

Well-Known Member
How convincing. So if people who sincerely seek him know him. how come there are millions of different interpretations. Is God constant? Is he one being? Is he a being?

Also, how are you qualified to speak for a God that cannot be sought at all?

Human nature wants to achieve God. That is why many searches come up empty.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
Human nature wants to achieve God. That is why many searches come up empty.

No, human nature is indoctrinated through fear and exclusion into achieving God.

Humans have advanced faster without God than with God. Famous theorists in the modern age are becomming more and more accurate scientifically because they're not trying to fit God into their timelines.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Everything that had a beginning needs a cause.

Do you ever pay attention?

All natural laws exist within our Universe. Space and time also exist within our Universe. Energy and matter exist within our Universe.
Before (and I say this knowing time did not exist, so there really was no "before") the Big Bang, the potential for all of the above existed within the Singularity.
Cause/effect, a natural law, has no bearing outside, beyond, or before the Singularity/Universe.

Now,
On the quantum level, effect does not necessitate cause. Particals of matter pop in and out of existance at the quantum level without cause. Or a particle in one place may suddenly materialize in another place, or reverse its direction of motion. Again, these are real effects occurring on an atomic scale, and they can be demonstrated experimentally. A typical quantum process is the decay of a radioactive nucleus. If you ask why a given nucleus decayed at one particular moment rather than some other, there is no answer. The event "just happened" at that moment, that's all. You cannot predict these occurrences. This is a basic part of quantum reality.

So, a couple of very viable and quantifiable options for the Big Bang are presented, both without the necessity of any cause.


Eliminating the cause/effect argument.

Now go back to the OP, read it, and post actual empirical evidence for Creationism.
 
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