Creationists: what prevents you from accepting ToE?

[tumbleweed41]

Molecular biologist Michael Denton described the theory of evolution as....

Micheal Denton is relying on an anthropic model that has failed peer review and also fails in predictability models and testability.

He is also under the employ of the Discovery Institute, the creationist organization in Australia responsible for much of the disinformation about biological evolution that is spread through the web.

 

[McBell]

Micheal Denton is relying on an anthropic model that has failed peer review and also fails in predictability models and testability.

He is also under the employ of the Discovery Institute, the creationist organization in Australia responsible for much of the disinformation about biological evolution that is spread through the web.

I suspect that your above quoted post has three too many facts for it to be successfully processed.....

 

[Krok]

.... "Chance, and chance alone, did it all, from the primeval soup to man" - Nobel laureate Christian de Duve.

Again, rusra02 telling untruths.

When de Duve was asked whether “some guiding hand” was needed for the process, he responded,
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation now rests on overwhelming factual evidence."

rusra02, please stop telling untruths.

 

[shawn001]

Now, how would you expect the evolution faithful to respond to the scathing exposure of Expelled? I would expect relentless attacks against the movie, in an attempt to discredit it. There are websites that present a balanced view of the documentary to those interested in a balanced view.

It discredited itself. Ben knows nothing about any of it. He read one book for the research for the movie and that was on Hitler, not evolution. He has no credentials as any kind of scientist AT ALL. It was highly bias as well and left out a ton of information.

Like

a joint statement of IAP by 68 national and international science academies lists as established scientific fact that Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old and has undergone continual change; that life, according to the evidence of earliest fossils, appeared on Earth at least 3.8 billion years ago and has subsequently taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve; and that the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicates their common primordial origin


rusra, your in denial for sure and still regarless of all the facts in all the sciences presented to you you are still in basically religious denial. You don't see the big picture and the real world when it comes to any of the sciences and the history of earth.

Yet, the very air you breath is because of biological evolution from cynobacteria that created the oxygen atmosphere on this earth billions of years ago.

What you need to do Rusra, is get a degree in biology and genetics and get on a boat called the "beagle" and go to the galapagos islands and actually study the evolution of life on those islands for a start. The islands themsevles evolved from plate tectonics. You don't get everything in our universe has evolved and still is, including biological life on earth. You don't understand any of it and don't seem to want too. Which is actually a shame, because your missing out on some truely amazing processes. Which if there is a god is gods way of doing things. Because evolution is a FACT and a scientific theory. You have about as much chance as disproving it as you do disproving all the laws of nature which support it.

 

[rusra02]

Again, rusra02 telling untruths.

When de Duve was asked whether “some guiding hand” was needed for the process, he responded,
"The answer of modern molecular biology to this much-debated question is categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all, from primeval soup to man, with only natural selection to sift its effects. This affirmation now rests on overwhelming factual evidence."

rusra02, please stop telling untruths.

Mr. Krok, your quote, while longer than mine, said exactly the same thing. "The answer of modern molecular biology ...is categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all..."
What part of my quote was "telling untruths"?

 

[rusra02]

Micheal Denton is relying on an anthropic model that has failed peer review and also fails in predictability models and testability.

He is also under the employ of the Discovery Institute, the creationist organization in Australia responsible for much of the disinformation about biological evolution that is spread through the web.

That is an expected evolutionist response. If you cannot attack the idea, attack the author.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Mr. Krok, your quote, while longer than mine, said exactly the same thing. "The answer of modern molecular biology ...is categorical: chance, and chance alone, did it all..."
What part of my quote was "telling untruths"?

You omitted "with only natural selection to sift its effects".

That is an expected evolutionist response. If you cannot attack the idea, attack the author.

Did he not just explain that his ideas failed the scientific method? Also, if a person is in the employ of a known anti-scientific body with a specific religious agenda, their credibility in science is suspect.

 

[rusra02]

It discredited itself. Ben knows nothing about any of it. He read one book for the research for the movie and that was on Hitler, not evolution. He has no credentials as any kind of scientist AT ALL. It was highly bias as well and left out a ton of information.

Like

a joint statement of IAP by 68 national and international science academies lists as established scientific fact that Earth is approximately 4.6 billion years old and has undergone continual change; that life, according to the evidence of earliest fossils, appeared on Earth at least 3.8 billion years ago and has subsequently taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve; and that the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicates their common primordial origin


rusra, your in denial for sure and still regarless of all the facts in all the sciences presented to you you are still in basically religious denial. You don't see the big picture and the real world when it comes to any of the sciences and the history of earth.

Yet, the very air you breath is because of biological evolution from cynobacteria that created the oxygen atmosphere on this earth billions of years ago.

What you need to do Rusra, is get a degree in biology and genetics and get on a boat called the "beagle" and go to the galapagos islands and actually study the evolution of life on those islands for a start. The islands themsevles evolved from plate tectonics. You don't get everything in our universe has evolved and still is, including biological life on earth. You don't understand any of it and don't seem to want too. Which is actually a shame, because your missing out on some truely amazing processes. Which if there is a god is gods way of doing things. Because evolution is a FACT and a scientific theory. You have about as much chance as disproving it as you do disproving all the laws of nature which support it.

Once again, your condescending post is what I would expect from one of the evolutionary faithful. 'Just do what I tell you to do, and you'll see the light (of evolution).' Only the high-priests of science are authorized to even speak of such things. The unwashed lowly people must listen to us, because we have studied biology. That is nonsense, of course, but such appeals to some supposed authority, and belittling of opposing views, are common among propagandists.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Once again, your condescending post is what I would expect from one of the evolutionary faithful. 'Just do what I tell you to do, and you'll see the light (of evolution).' Only the high-priests of science are authorized to even speak of such things. The unwashed lowly people must listen to us, because we have studied biology. That is nonsense, of course, but such appeals to some supposed authority, and belittling of opposing views, are common among propagandists.

... Says the guy who keeps telling everyone to watch "Expelled".

 

[beerisit]

Once again, your condescending post is what I would expect from one of the evolutionary faithful. 'Just do what I tell you to do, and you'll see the light (of evolution).' Only the high-priests of science are authorized to even speak of such things. The unwashed lowly people must listen to us, because we have studied biology. That is nonsense, of course, but such appeals to some supposed authority, and belittling of opposing views, are common among propagandists.

Sounds like religion to me.

 

[johnhanks]

... but such appeals to some supposed authority ... are common among propagandists.

Can this really be the poster who constantly backs up his assertions with quotes from a Middle Eastern letter writer dead some 2000 years?

 

[cablescavenger]

“When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.”
Jack Handey

This tickles me:

When I die, I don't want my demise to be used as a political rally, and that's what happened yesterday.
Bill O'Reilly

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[rusra02]

Sounds like religion to me.

Yes, evolution is a religious belief.

 

[shawn001]

Yes, evolution is a religious belief.

And quotes like that make the nation get weaker.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Yes, evolution is a religious belief.

And I think you may have been huffing from the same can as Kent Hovind if you going to keep asserting Evolution is a religion especially if you're unable to show any evidence it's treated as such.

 

[rusra02]

And I think you may have been huffing from the same can as Kent Hovind if you going to keep asserting Evolution is a religion especially if you're unable to show any evidence it's treated as such.

What is a religion? A form of worship, including a system of religious beliefs and practices.
I don't think it's much of a stretch to consider belief in evolution a religion. You have your mythologies and articles of faith (example: blind chance did it all), your prophets (Darwin etc.) your high priests of "science", your mass of laity that follow their leaders in blind subservience.
Astronomer David Block stated: "A man who does not believe in a Creator would have to have more faith [or rather credulity] than one who does." (Text in brackets added) Evolutionists render homage to unproven theories, their commitment to materialism and "Science" taking the place of God. (Romans 1:24-26)

 

[beerisit]

What is a religion? A form of worship, including a system of religious beliefs and practices.
I don't think it's much of a stretch to consider belief in evolution a religion. You have your mythologies and articles of faith (example: blind chance did it all), your prophets (Darwin etc.) your high priests of "science", your mass of laity that follow their leaders in blind subservience.
Astronomer David Block stated: "A man who does not believe in a Creator would have to have more faith [or rather credulity] than one who does." (Text in brackets added) Evolutionists render homage to unproven theories, their commitment to materialism and "Science" taking the place of God. (Romans 1:24-26)

Your saying that you are blindly subservient to your religion rusra2, maybe you should start a thread about that since that is your claim regarding believers of religions.

 

[dust1n]

What is a religion? A form of worship, including a system of religious beliefs and practices.
I don't think it's much of a stretch to consider belief in evolution a religion. You have your mythologies and articles of faith (example: blind chance did it all),

Articles of faith? Most people don't believe chance did it all. What mythologies are you referring to? I never got a scientific narrative...

your prophets (Darwin etc.) your high priests of "science", your mass of laity that follow their leaders in blind subservience.

Astronomer David Block stated: "A man who does not believe in a Creator would have to have more faith [or rather credulity] than one who does." (Text in brackets added)

Why? I can't see a creator. There is no faith required here. You don't see him.

 

[mycorrhiza]

What is a religion? A form of worship, including a system of religious beliefs and practices.
I don't think it's much of a stretch to consider belief in evolution a religion. You have your mythologies and articles of faith (example: blind chance did it all), your prophets (Darwin etc.) your high priests of "science", your mass of laity that follow their leaders in blind subservience.
Astronomer David Block stated: "A man who does not believe in a Creator would have to have more faith [or rather credulity] than one who does." (Text in brackets added) Evolutionists render homage to unproven theories, their commitment to materialism and "Science" taking the place of God. (Romans 1:24-26)

I guess I belong to the religions Evolution, Gravity, Atoms, Bacteria, etc.
Science is based on evidence, not faith. Scientists aren't treated as prophets and nearly all evolutionists will agree that Darwin wasn't 100% right.

 

[Jared Jammer]

The abundance of contradicting evidence, requiring an almost unbelievable number of ad hoc hypotheses.

At some point it should become painfully obvious that the theory is deeply, fundamentally flawed, and that tacking on yet another falsification-avoiding ad hoc hypotheses won't save it, but only further stress how flawed it is.

I've reached that point.